Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[DrRadon]

I think it depends on what the top-end Radeon Pro card will use for memory. If it is HBM2 like the Vega 48 and the mobile Radeon Pro 5600M, then no, as HBM2 is expensive.

If it uses GDDR6, then that will help get it close to $2500, at least, as the current iMac 5K with an i5, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD and Radeon 580X is $2600.

But also check the prices on the non fusion drive machines out.

iMac right now starts with no SSD.
512GB is about 150€
1TB is almost 400€
2TB is almost 900€.
This is still upgradable due to the old design. So you could pay half for a 2TB SSD (samsung evo)

MacPro starts with 256gb (sort of a joke, right)
1TB is almost 500€
2TB is almost 1000€
4TB is almost 1800€

iMac Pro starts at 1TB
2TB is almost 500€
4TB is almost 1300€

MacBook Pro 16 starts at 1TB
2TB is almost 500€
4TB is above 1200€

MacBook Pro 13 (latest release) starts at 512GB
1TB is 250€
2TB is 750€
4TB is like 1500€


Feels like actually we might get of cheaper because the fusion drive sort of inflates the SSD model price. I expect the top tier 27 inch to rock a 1TB SSD like iMacPro. 2TB for 500€ instead of 900€ sounds amazing for Apples pricing. Like, if i pay my vendor to put in a 2TB Samsung 970 Evo with full warranty keeps in tact i will also be set back around 500€, maybe a bit more/less depending on what we negotiate. (my current offer was 4200€ i9/vega and with 2tb build in and 40gb ram build, both by them)
I don't think we will see the prices rise much. Maybe 100€

 

[spidertaker23]

I think it depends on what the top-end Radeon Pro card will use for memory. If it is HBM2 like the Vega 48 and the mobile Radeon Pro 5600M, then no, as HBM2 is expensive.

If it uses GDDR6, then that will help get it close to $2500, at least, as the current iMac 5K with an i5, 16GB of RAM, 512GB SSD and Radeon 580X is $2600.

Fair point, probably safe to assume it will be expensive HBM2 memory since they used HBM2 for the Vega 48 and the 5600M. I kinda feel like the graphics upgrade will push the new iMac to $3,000. Maybe we will see 512GB ssd for 2TB fusion prices so it will be like $2800, but still out of budget.

Ugh I guess I will wait until the iMac refurb comes back in stock and decide what if I want to keep waiting.

 

[Soulflower]

Its very simple:

Mac mini you can update every year or so when they update it. YOu lose minimal money and you have a beautiful screen that stays.
iMac on the other hand is AiO so if something breaks you are screwed. I was never fan of AiO thats why I used to have Mac Pros until I started a job in movies that required me to move countries a lot so I sold that all and got a notebook which I'm not really a fan of.
Now that I'm kinda settled I am ready to have a proper computer but there is nothing from Apple that suits me. Mac Pro is priced out, iMac is fusion crap and notebook is what I dont' want. Mac Mini is bad now but with AS could be the best seller.
All I want from Apple to do is to release dumbed down version of XDR (XDR mini) so I can have Mac Mini + XDR mini for reasonable price (around half or so of current XDR) and call it a day. XDR design is up to date whilst iMac is awful.
Ideally I would get Mac Pro + XDR but that would be overkill and waste of money as my work provides me with a computer for work so this would simply be for my photography hobby + occasional freelancing work.
Simply it wouldn't justify the cost as I don't do freelancing that often (too busy at my main job).

So yeah, Apple could please a lot of people if they release cheaper version of XDR.

It would also allow those people to get Apple brand screen for their Mac Pros or Mac Minis.

XDR is too exclusive for most people to justify but its bloody gorgeous! (Although I haven't seen it yet as its THAT exclusive that most Apple stores don't have it on display - apparently I would have to travel to Toronto to see one)

Is it possible to connect a Mac mini to my older iMac and just use the iMac as the display? If so, is that complicated?

 

[spidertaker23]

Do we think for the next gen 27” iMac we will lose upgradable memory?

 

[ssong]

Is it possible to connect a Mac mini to my older iMac and just use the iMac as the display? If so, is that complicated?

Depends on the year of your iMac if you wish to do it natively. More info here...

How to Use Your Old iMac as a Monitor

Target Display Mode can turn iMacs made between late 2009 and 2013 into a monitor for use with other Macs. Here's how to do it, and what limitations exist.

www.lifewire.com

There are some other alternative options but they require third party software / hardware.

 

[Soulflower]

It's a late 2012 21"

 

[Freida]

Well, Apple said that the product mix in September will be different so there is still a chance

Hehehehe

What special Event? iPhone is delayed according to Apple themselves.
Also i don't think he is one of the relevant leakers to be honest.
And "product" could mean everything and anything.

I am looking at mid august. Wednesday 12th of august.

 

[DQ11]

Do we think for the next gen 27” iMac we will lose upgradable memory?

only way I would see that is if they gave us the imac pro space grey for it and with that build you can't.....that would suck though.

 

[DrRadon]

Do we think for the next gen 27” iMac we will lose upgradable memory?

We are assuming yes because there are stronger rumours of no redesign. But no one really knows yet.

 

[fokmik]

We are assuming yes because there are stronger rumours of no redesign. But no one really knows yet.

if there is no redesign for the intel one, then the 27" will not lose the ram user upgr

 

[DrRadon]

if there is no redesign for the intel one, then the 27" will not lose the ram user upgr

Unless they switch to the iMac Pro design for better cooling incase it just is needed for the newer CPU/GPU.

 

[Kjs100]

WTF? It makes no sense to predict a 30% chance of a release in July then 0% in August. Hope Prosser is correct about August and blows these dudes out the water.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1276135122060947457

 

[DrRadon]

WTF? It makes no sense to predict a 30% chance of a release in July then 0% in August. Hope Prosser is correct about August and blows these dudes out the water.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1276135122060947457

Well Jiorīku is one of the good guys. But in essence we should be at the point were we can't trust no one anymore because everyone failed on iMac in the past six month.

BUT that tweet also is like 5+ weeks old.


I am guessing this.
People are confused:
1. either because there actually is a ARM 24 inch iMac in the pipeline but it is October or later. Detached from whatever the normal iMac lineup is doing.
OR
2. the entire iMac LineUp is getting refreshed this month BUT the biggest 27 inch version is delayed till later this year (the "in store availability" on Apples website i talked about, wich is sitting at 14th of august for everything except the biggest one with is end of September).
3. all three of these things are true (classic refresh minus iMac 27 top tier + 24 inch ARM coming soon).

And these things all getting passed around under "iMac" "iMac redesign" are leading to ongoing different reports on the same name while actually talking about different products.

But wtf do i know.

 

[Ethosik]

If the next top iMac will have i9-10850K 10/20 c/t 3.6-5.2 GHz and Radeon 5600M Apple surely must be confident of being able to beat those specs and that performance with the first top AS iMac. It would be very bad if the top AS iMac underperformed but imagine the performance if it outperformed the top Intel iMac.

It will be 2 years before the top performing systems are replaced.

 

[Nicole1980]

I’ll be laughing my ass off if in a few years Apple silicon development slows or stalls and then intel gets in gear and overtakes them. Then all the AS fanboys and girls would be like “what the hell just happened”.

Not likely, I know ... but damn that would be funny.

 

[Homy]

It will be 2 years before the top performing systems are replaced.

No, in two years the ENTIRE Mac lineup will be replaced according to Tim Cook. That includes Mac Pro. Apple won't launch any Intel iMacs after AS iMacs and there is no chance that Apple would introduce one low-end AS iMac that is worse than any existing iMac and let the top iMac use Intel. When AS iMac is introduced the ENTIRE iMac lineup will use AS. That's the way it was when Apple switched from PPC to Intel. Any other way is simply illogical.

 

[anthony13]

No, in two years the ENTIRE Mac lineup will be replaced according to Tim Cook. That includes Mac Pro. Apple won't launch any Intel iMacs after AS iMacs and there is no chance that Apple would introduce one low-end AS iMac that is worse than any existing iMac and let the top iMac use Intel. When AS iMac is introduced the ENTIRE iMac lineup will use AS. That's the way it was when Apple switched from PPC to Intel. Any other way is simply illogical.

I dont have a horse in the race either way, but rumors suggest the lower power’d models will be first to receive Apple Silicon. For example, the Mac Book Air or 13” Mac Book Pro are seemingly going to be the first models to get Apple Silicon this fall, while the 16” pro remains intel at first. All rumors of course, so it will be interesting to see how it shakes out. What would be interesting, as you suggest, is if the so called lower powered models experience a jump in performance over the larger siblings. It’d be pretty funny if you could get the 13” Apple silicon MacBook Pro and it out performs the 16” MacBook Pro that costs considerably more money.

 

[Homy]

What would be interesting, as you suggest, is if the so called lower powered models experience a jump in performance over the larger siblings. It’d be pretty funny if you could get the 13” Apple silicon MacBook Pro and it out performs the 16” MacBook Pro that costs considerably more money.

Yes, the cheaper AS Macs must be at least as good as the top Intel Macs in their category if Apple wants to prove its CPU's superiority. To gradually switch different lineups one at a time makes complete sense, first MacBooks, then iMacs/Mac Minis and then Mac Pros, but Apple won't have a cheaper 27" AS iMac and a 27" Intel iMac at the top in the same 27" lineup. That would be totally bizarre. When the iMac lineup gets replaced with AS it will be all at once. Apple will introduce one more Intel iMac but won't sell any Intel iMacs after the AS iMacs been introduced. That's why we won't see any AS iMac until next year in my opinion.

A13 Bionic in iPhone SE/11 at 2.7GHz already outperforms i9-9900K at 3.6GHz 95W in iMac 27" 2019 in single core. A12Z Bionic at 2.5GHz 7W in iPad Pro matches the performance of i5-8500 3.0GHz 6-core 65W in iMac 21.5" 2019 in multi-core. The company called Ampere has already a 80-core ARM CPU faster than Xenon 28-core in Mac Pro so there is no need for Apple to wait 2 years to launch its top AS iMac that outperforms Intel iMacs. Apple already knows it can produce chips that are faster than Intel's.

 

[dapa0s]

WTF? It makes no sense to predict a 30% chance of a release in July then 0% in August. Hope Prosser is correct about August and blows these dudes out the water.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1276135122060947457

This guy is obviously full of **** and has no connections whatsoever. Why would you even post his link when he only has around 1k twitter followers?

 

[DrRadon]

I’ll be laughing my ass off if in a few years Apple silicon development slows or stalls and then intel gets in gear and overtakes them. Then all the AS fanboys and girls would be like “what the hell just happened”.
/QUOTE]

Oh, the system war will be back. Trust me, it will be back and it will be bloody. So many catfightson the unterwegs it won't even be funny anymore.

 

[DrRadon]

Yes, the cheaper AS Macs must be at least as good as the top Intel Macs in their category if Apple wants to prove its CPU's superiority. To gradually switch different lineups one at a time makes complete sense, first MacBooks, then iMacs/Mac Minis and then Mac Pros, but Apple won't have a cheaper 27" AS iMac and an 27" Intel iMac at the top in the same 27" lineup. That would be totally bizarre. When the iMac lineup gets replaced with AS it will be all at once. Apple will introduce one more Intel iMac but won't sell any Intel iMacs after the AS iMacs been introduced. That's why we won't see any AS iMac until next year in my opinion.

A13 Bionic in iPhone SE/11 at 2.7GHz already outperforms i9-9900K at 3.6GHz 95W in iMac 27" 2019 in single core. A12Z Bionic at 2.5GHz 7W in iPad Pro matches the performance of i5-8500 3.0GHz 6-core 65W in iMac 21.5" 2019 in multi-core. The company called Ampere has already a 80-core ARM CPU faster than Xenon 28-core in Mac Pro so there is no need for Apple to wait 2 years to launch its top AS iMac that outperforms Intel iMacs. Apple already knows it can produce chips that are faster than Intel's.

When you look at the lineup right now, with all the upsells available that make Apple tons of money, you can also see how it makes sense to establish certain names for chips and their GPU component first so later they can say "get the new Apple hoppipola chip for your mac pro, it will do 23512 better than the iMacs most expensive chip".
Because obviously this won't end in Apple selling a lower number of machines or upsells. Thats why it even is a marketing neccecety to drip it to the consumer rather than telling them "hoooookay btw here is our new full lineup, and for the top tier we expect you to pay 50k but you don't even know jack about our stuff yet, enjoy!".
Thats why it has to take a certain time. I doubt this is struggling due to development. It needs to be drawn out to paint a picture.

 

[Homy]

Thats why it even is a marketing neccecety to drip it to the consumer rather than telling them "hoooookay btw here is our new full lineup, and for the top tier we expect you to pay 50k but you don't even know jack about our stuff yet, enjoy!".
Thats why it has to take a certain time. I doubt this is struggling due to development. It needs to be drawn out to paint a picture.

I am talking about the full iMac lineup alone, not all the Macs. All iMacs (not Pro) are consumer Macs and I still believe there is no chance that Apple would sell AS IMacs and Intel iMacs at the same time. First you get the chance to buy the last Intel iMac if you don't want to switch, but then it's goodbye Intel and hello AS. No mixed CPUs in the iMac lineup later. No way! That's why I don't agree with xWhiplash about the top AS iMac taking two years to be introduced.

Apple may keep one Intel iMac in the lineup (hidden somewhere in the Apple Store) for those who don't want to switch but it will be a model that won't outperform the new AS iMacs.

 

[iPadified]

We have no leaks whatsoever and the low end first rationale bother me. Apple had likely all the designs for all AS chip ready before WWDC. Apple would not start the replacement without the whole stack of SoCs finished. They will just release them in an order and time points that makes most economic sense taking into account of rewrites of softwares. If it made economic sense to release the Mac Pro first, they would do that.

The current Mac line reflect intel and AMD offerings. With better performance to power ratio, the lines can look very different. Why use two 13.3 inch laptops? The A12Z is faster than the current MBP13 and would fit thermally in the macbook Air case. Drop one of these. Same goes for iMac 27 inch and iMac Pro. They could end up with an easy line:

Laptop 13/14 and 16
iMac 24 and 32
Headless: Mac mini and Mac Pro

14 and 32 will likely be miniLED and will arrive next year together With the 16.

Four simple questions to find a laptop:

What kind of computer do you like (laptop, AIO, headless)?

How large screen do you want?

Do you want long battery life or higher performance?

How much disk space do you need?

 

[Kjs100]

This guy is obviously full of **** and has no connections whatsoever. Why would you even post his link when he only has around 1k twitter followers?

This is a rumours website and I've posted a rumour. You want me to vet leaks for you? Keep waiting. It's information. Do what you want with it. If you've got better leaks I'm looking forward to reading them.

 

[DrRadon]

This is a rumours website and I've posted a rumour. You want me to vet leaks for you? Keep waiting. It's information. Do what you want with it. If you've got better leaks I'm looking forward to reading them.

Again. It's five weeks old and the same guy was saying last Monday sounds good till everybody back paddled.