Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Azrael9]

The way they priced that card is like a stone cold stunner including the middle fingers right after don to the coming console generation.
You can probably hope that Sony and MS are doing some rearranging of their prices right now after stearing each other down waiting for the other console to drop the price pants first.

Interesting chart.

If someone had said to me you could get a 1080 Ti (just about) in an iMac? Or 2070 Super? I'd have taken that.

As for the prices. I'm sure the 2080 Ti buyers will have remorse. £1200. For the 'next gen' to pull their trousers down on pricing.

The 3080 will finally give convincing 4k gaming. (The 3070 giving 'value' 4k gaming.). For 'better than they used to be prices.'

As for the consoles re-arranging their prices? I don't see that.

The 3070 is just a gpu. That's all you're getting. Not the whole machine. And if you don't have a 4k display? The price of entry to '4k' gaming on a PC ie the 'upgrade' price to your rig is £1000 for a £500 gpu and a £500 display.

If it's a whole new rig?

Probably at least £2k.

That's different to just having a £399 PS5 that you can just plug into your 4k tv.

I don't find the prices stunning at all. Merely manipulations after jacking them up sky high for two rounds of 'nearly' products.

They're still not 'cheap' gpus. Certainly not the prices gpus used to be.

It will be interesting to see what the RDNA2 gpus are...and at what prices.

At least things have got moving in the gpu space again.

There's no denying the performance of the 3080...but...more over, the beast fusion gun of the 3090 with 8k gaming at 60 fps?

Azrael.

 

[CWallace]

Yeah, yeah, CWallace...like you wouldn't be 1st in the line to buy that if Apple offered it right now in a teh sexy 32 inch iPad iMac enclosure...

Oh I would certainly give it a look, but I arguably sit way too close to my 5K display (at around 2 feet), so...

 

[Azrael9]

Oh I would certainly give it a look, but I arguably sit way too close to my 5K display (at around 2 feet), so...

'Oh...I was just looking...' and 'I would certainly give it a...' (*nods...)

That's what they all say...

Azrael.

PS. It's about 2 ft for me with the 5k. It's an impressive display.

 

[filmak]

Well considering I’ve actually used everything we’re actually talking about, unlike you, I think I might know a little better than your googled articles do.

eGPU performance is several times better than using the integrated graphics, which is the entire point.

Interesting. How do you know that I have no experience with the mini, have you asked anyone?

You stated that

The Mini can handle 3 4K displays on the Intel card alone.

this was the point, and in real world this is not true, or it is true but not possible to do any serious work with this setup, because as you have also stated the internal GPU is not good and this is the reason why it can't cope with 4k displays.

An eGPU, again, is a patch, it may be better than the mini's iGPU but there are limitations regarding performance and use.

Anyway, all good, enjoy your mini with 3 4k displays, and have peace.

Check and this one from MacRS4, I hope that you will believe that he at least has experience with these minis.

Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

I think it shines anyway tbh, but probably not as a desktop replacement without a eGPU which is I guess where it gets measured the most, and found a little lacking. I've a couple of the 6 core i7 units and they get a bit laggy even on 4k screens. Can't imagine being sat in front of them all day...

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[Freida]

Ok, picked up the tier 3 model in an Apple store and will now test it whether or not I want to have just 5500XT and save money.

Should be interesting to see. I'm inclined to get 5700XT but maybe this will do. I have 2 weeks to test so that should be plenty

 

[filmak]

Ok, picked up the tier 3 model in an Apple store and will now test it whether or not I want to have just 5500XT and save money.

Should be interesting to see. I'm inclined to get 5700XT but maybe this will do. I have 2 weeks to test so that should be plenty

Congratulations!

Waiting for your impressions...

 

[DrRadon]

Dos anybody know how long it takes AMD to put drivers on their website?
I found this bootcampdrivers site everyone is recommending but honestly it's to much of a hassle, thats not what i buy Apple stuff for.
Very disappointed in bootcamp support so far, worked much better with nVedia on my old iMac. Obviously it is "better" with this new card. But still, something as simple as Persona 4 has fans kick in even in 1080p super quick and Anno 1800 is not neccecerly running smooth either. Meh.

Still super happy with final cut and the adobe stuff. Thats what i got it for after all. But still... a bit less of a bootcamp headache would have been fun.

 

[pldelisle]

I don't know for sure, but the latest drivers for the MacBook Pro 16 5600M should work with the 2020 iMac. It's the exact same generation of GPUs.

 

[richinaus]

Interesting chart.

If someone had said to me you could get a 1080 Ti (just about) in an iMac? Or 2070 Super? I'd have taken that.

As for the prices. I'm sure the 2080 Ti buyers will have remorse. £1200. For the 'next gen' to pull their trousers down on pricing.

The 3080 will finally give convincing 4k gaming. (The 3070 giving 'value' 4k gaming.). For 'better than they used to be prices.'

As for the consoles re-arranging their prices? I don't see that.

The 3070 is just a gpu. That's all you're getting. Not the whole machine. And if you don't have a 4k display? The price of entry to '4k' gaming on a PC ie the 'upgrade' price to your rig is £1000 for a £500 gpu and a £500 display.

If it's a whole new rig?

Probably at least £2k.

That's different to just having a £399 PS5 that you can just plug into your 4k tv.

I don't find the prices stunning at all. Merely manipulations after jacking them up sky high for two rounds of 'nearly' products.

They're still not 'cheap' gpus. Certainly not the prices gpus used to be.

It will be interesting to see what the RDNA2 gpus are...and at what prices.

At least things have got moving in the gpu space again.

There's no denying the performance of the 3080...but...more over, the beast fusion gun of the 3090 with 8k gaming at 60 fps?

Azrael.

Yep a 3090 going straight into the new PC for work there is a very good reasons why I shifted over to a PC desktop for work and CUDA is a major one.

This reference I keep seeing to these cards are for gaming is just plain wrong.
The exact same gaming engines are used for rendering these days, and is my precise use case. It will be lucky if any games are installed on the PC. I always buy consoles for that purpose.

I will get this card cranked at 100% on my 4K monitor and be super fluid [not that the 2080 super is bad]. A far far better experience however than the Vega 64 on the iMac Pro.

Buy the computer for your needs is my thing these days, having spent a small fortune with Apple over the years, I now know what works for me.

 

[richinaus]

Dos anybody know how long it takes AMD to put drivers on their website?
I found this bootcampdrivers site everyone is recommending but honestly it's to much of a hassle, thats not what i buy Apple stuff for.
Very disappointed in bootcamp support so far, worked much better with nVedia on my old iMac. Obviously it is "better" with this new card. But still, something as simple as Persona 4 has fans kick in even in 1080p super quick and Anno 1800 is not neccecerly running smooth either. Meh.

Still super happy with final cut and the adobe stuff. Thats what i got it for after all. But still... a bit less of a bootcamp headache would have been fun.

Every 6 months if you are lucky is the answer. I also didnt bother with bootcampdrivers on a computer for work - too risky.
My 2080 super in bootcamp was very good and took the loads off the DGPU, and a was also a muchbetter experience than my AMD W5700 in MacOS [Crashing on sleep etc]

 

[Azrael9]

Ok, picked up the tier 3 model in an Apple store and will now test it whether or not I want to have just 5500XT and save money.

Should be interesting to see. I'm inclined to get 5700XT but maybe this will do. I have 2 weeks to test so that should be plenty

That should be just mighty fine. Congrats.

Good bang for your money.

£1300 5k display.
RDNA1. (Plenty for Maya modelling.)
8 cores. (Plenty fast for Maya rendering.)

SSD super fast...included.

It's a win all around.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

Yep a 3090 going straight into the new PC for work there is a very good reasons why I shifted over to a PC desktop for work and CUDA is a major one.

This reference I keep seeing to these cards are for gaming is just plain wrong.
The exact same gaming engines are used for rendering these days, and is my precise use case. It will be lucky if any games are installed on the PC. I always buy consoles for that purpose.

I will get this card cranked at 100% on my 4K monitor and be super fluid [not that the 2080 super is bad]. A far far better experience however than the Vega 64 on the iMac Pro.

Buy the computer for your needs is my thing these days, having spent a small fortune with Apple over the years, I now know what works for me.

3090. Some will use it for gaming. And with an 8k display too and super fast 4k gaming.

But, it's really a 'workstation' or 'work' gpu.

Smooth as butter.

Yes. Game engines are used for rendering these days. I think the 3090 could excel in that use case. That's a very good point.

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

Yep a 3090 going straight into the new PC for work there is a very good reasons why I shifted over to a PC desktop for work and CUDA is a major one.

I can't fault your logic.

I'm going dual Mac/PC workstation.

So a PC build is pending. I'll be checking out the perf' of the Ampere cards.

Which gaming engine do you use for rendering? Any? All of them?

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

Got only 200€ store credit for all the hassle I had.
Very sad. But I guess it's still half a Apple Watch.

 

[Azrael9]

Got only 200€ store credit for all the hassle I had.
Very sad. But I guess it's still half a Apple Watch.

£200 from Apple? That would get you most of the way there to 64 gigs of RAM...or 2/3rds of Final Cut...or Logic...

Take it and run.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

£200 from Apple? That would get you most of the way there to 64 gigs of RAM...or 2/3rds of Final Cut...or Logic...

Take it and run.

Azrael.

Sure I´ll take it. But it excludes a ton of stuff. Nothing branded "new" on the website. No Apple Care or Software, minimum order of 250€, only one year time to spend it. Lots of advantages for Apple considering how much they screwed up and how hard I worked to fix it for them when support could not do it.

 

[Azrael9]

Sure I´ll take it. But it excludes a ton of stuff. Nothing branded "new" on the website. No Apple Care or Software, minimum order of 250€, only one year time to spend it. Lots of advantages for Apple considering how much they screwed up and how hard I worked to fix it for them when support could not do it.

If I were Apple, I'd have thrown in the Apple Care+ and a £200 voucher or free piece of Apple Software of your choice.

But it's how corporations work.

That's how Apple got to be worth £2 trillion.

They do business in China without losing sleep over it.

Corporations don't have souls. They're not our friends. The days of Apple having 'heart' (I use that term loosely...) or any semblance of us being in it 'together' went with the salesman high priest, Steve Jobs.

But I don't forget the fact that his Apple, yes his, raised the iMac by about £300 in the 2008 recession. As iMacs went from £675 entry to £999 entry.

Sure. It's belt tightning in austerity. But just for us 'bottom feeders.'

Azrael.

 

[Azrael9]

Sure I´ll take it. But it excludes a ton of stuff. Nothing branded "new" on the website. No Apple Care or Software, minimum order of 250€, only one year time to spend it. Lots of advantages for Apple considering how much they screwed up and how hard I worked to fix it for them when support could not do it.

I can't pretend I liked your treatment, Doc.

We've all been on the receiving end of treatment like that by 'fill in name' corporations. They fight tooth and nail for every penny and still expect our business. ie treat you like crap and hope for your future custom. With a straight face.

If I keep this iMac for 7 years (like the last one...) it's still £500 a year approx. Not cheap.

Did you get the Final Cut Pro as part of your order?

Azrael.

 

[fireguy286]

Dos anybody know how long it takes AMD to put drivers on their website?
I found this bootcampdrivers site everyone is recommending but honestly it's to much of a hassle, thats not what i buy Apple stuff for.
Very disappointed in bootcamp support so far, worked much better with nVedia on my old iMac. Obviously it is "better" with this new card. But still, something as simple as Persona 4 has fans kick in even in 1080p super quick and Anno 1800 is not neccecerly running smooth either. Meh.

Still super happy with final cut and the adobe stuff. Thats what i got it for after all. But still... a bit less of a bootcamp headache would have been fun.

Odd, I have had zero issues with Bootcamp / Windows 10 graphically or performance, and I keep the LG Ultrafine 4K attached at all times. Sure after some extended Flight Sim 2020 time it's hot and fan is going, but to be expected. Otherwise it's a fantastic Windows machine. I am on driver 26.20.15032.2015 (July 9 2020)with the Radeon Pro Dashboard installed.

 

[Azrael9]

Dos anybody know how long it takes AMD to put drivers on their website?
I found this bootcampdrivers site everyone is recommending but honestly it's to much of a hassle, thats not what i buy Apple stuff for.
Very disappointed in bootcamp support so far, worked much better with nVedia on my old iMac. Obviously it is "better" with this new card. But still, something as simple as Persona 4 has fans kick in even in 1080p super quick and Anno 1800 is not neccecerly running smooth either. Meh.

Still super happy with final cut and the adobe stuff. Thats what i got it for after all. But still... a bit less of a bootcamp headache would have been fun.

Not found any headaches with Bootcamp so far.

I ran Unigine on Mac in Ultra settings np. The fans will kick up with sustained heavy duty game play. I wonder if the fan profiling in Windows is different to Mac? My old 680MX rarely protested. But when I ran the old game a bit too close to the edge the fans kicked up...and in a hot or warm environment like my studio attic. I guess it was to be expected.

I think I'm not going to rely on Bootcamp. I do play a very old game on Windows Bootcamp. That's it.

I'd rather have my own dedicated PC rig, I think. Dual workstation idea. I'd rather not thrash the iMac. I'll have it as my general production rig.

But have the Windows rig for heavy lifting 3D wise. The new Ampere gpus look interesting. And using game engines for rendering etc is interesting.

Think you'll be alright with the Final Cut and Adobe stuff. Which is what you got your machine for. I'm still interested in how it's performing 'for that' compared to your old rig.

As for Bootcamp. It's 'a' Apple solution. As good as it can be without getting a PC rig. Which I aim to do. Which may be more prudent in the long run.

At least I'll have a back up machine that way. It can rendering for longer. And if it fries...I can always replace a component more easily than with the 'whole' unit that is the iMac.

Random thoughts.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

Did you get the Final Cut Pro as part of your order?

Azrael.

No.

 

[Freida]

So, initial impressions so far (i'll keep it short):

-its quiet - I tried W3 Reforged and the fans didn't really spin loud on 2560x1440 (everything maxed) however, they did spin up when I changed it to 5120x2880 (everything maxed)
on that 1440p the average frame rate was around 40fps which for RTS is fine. On 2880p the fps dropped to about 17fps which is not. Haven't tested it in a full game yet as this was 2v2 replay but will do that this weekend.

-screen is awesome and super clear but because I'm coming from 24" Matte Dell I will still try the nano coating next as I might prefer it even with the small trade off but I have to see.

-bezels are ugly and I do hate it but once you start using it you kinda forget about them
-I dislike the back of the computer. From distance it looks like a cross because of how the shape is molded. I guess its probably impossible to do it any other way but with specific lighting etc. it looks like cross instead of fluid shape
-its butter smooth so far - catalina is crap but even when this machine is only 8GB I have much better experience than my 2017 16gb tbMBP so that was a nice surprise.
-haven't tested any Maya yet but so far, I'm very surprised.

-I have tried the 2019 model few months back just to see what fusion drive and overall feel is and that was awful. The iMac wasn't that smooth and I got spinning balls way too often (on top of that annoying clicking noise - wtf was Apple thinking back then). Now, this is the tier 3 2020 model from Apple store (so no modifications) and the difference is night and day. Really nice experience so far but I will report later when I push it harder. Great computer overall and that is just the base model.

I'm still not convinced about 5700XT as I do light gaming but at the same time, it could be good resale value. The question is, will it be worth it.

Anyway, this is me so far. If anyone needs to know something feel free to ask. I'll try to see if I can answer or help everyone.

Hopefully Apple stay with Intel chips.

Congratulations!

Waiting for your impressions...

That should be just mighty fine. Congrats.

Good bang for your money.

£1300 5k display.
RDNA1. (Plenty for Maya modelling.)
8 cores. (Plenty fast for Maya rendering.)

SSD super fast...included.

It's a win all around.

Azrael.

 

[fireguy286]

So, initial impressions so far (i'll keep it short):

-bezels are ugly and I do hate it but once you start using it you kinda forget about them
-I dislike the back of the computer. From distance it looks like a cross because of how the shape is molded. I guess its probably impossible to do it any other way but with specific lighting etc. it looks like cross instead of fluid shape
-its butter smooth so far - catalina is crap but even when this machine is only 8GB I have much better experience than my 2017 16gb tbMBP so that was a nice surprise.
-haven't tested any Maya yet but so far, I'm very surprised.

The Bezels are bad, but I have the same opinion - after a while they fade. The chin I have turned in to a feature, I occasionally throw a post it note on it to remind myself of something after a call.

Very much agree on Catalina - I used to think it was just my old MBP but nope, not much better here and that's disappointing. It's just clunky and sluggish at points - even the Apple watch login is janky. Sorry to say, W10 seems far more fluid and responsive so far.

 

[pldelisle]

Testing Beta 6 on my old MBP15 2013. It's damn solid for a Beta. I'm impressed, really. I think Big Sur will be a lot better than anything else Apple made since High Sierra.

 

[Freida]

Maybe I will test it on this iMac this weekend seeing that I only have it for 2 weeks it may as well give it a go

Testing Beta 6 on my old MBP15 2013. It's damn solid for a Beta. I'm impressed, really. I think Big Sur will be a lot better than anything else Apple made since High Sierra.