That is not correct. The iMac Pro was a stop gap to hold people over until the re-designed Mac Pro was launched. Once that happened, the high end iMac Pros didn't make as much sense. What killed the low end iMac Pros was the 2020 iMac refresh. When you configure one with a 10 core i9 and a 5700XT, its faster than the 10 core iMac Pro. AND you can upgrade the RAM yourself.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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I'm going to miss the ability to upgrade RAM aftermarket. It's the only thing I'm really dreading about the AS update. But I guess we'll all suck it up in return for the rest of what we're getting.
Just voted for 4rd quarter 2019. Most realistek date I reckon.
Well that is how it turned out, but I don't feel that was how it was supposed to turn out. But in the end, it doesn't matter why the iMac Pro was created. It worked for the people who bought it and more Mac models is a good thing.
Unreleased ARM iMac surfaces in Xcode crash log as launch of redesigned model nears - 9to5Mac
Apple is in the process of transitioning its Mac lineup to Apple Silicon processors, and a variety of reports have...
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Nice to see something "concrete"... June grows ever-closer.Unreleased ARM iMac surfaces in Xcode crash log as launch of redesigned model nears - 9to5Mac
Apple is in the process of transitioning its Mac lineup to Apple Silicon processors, and a variety of reports have...
Well, this unfortunately doesn't tell us anything. I wish we could see more from that report (specs wise). We know there is an iMac or M chip. Its obvious and shouldn't come as a surprise as testing takes a while so as Apple is going to release an iMac this year of course they have one in.
The question though is - WWDC for M1 variant that is more powerful or M2 variant around fall 2021? The main "problem" for Apple to catch up with is the GPU side. I think CPU performance is good and it will only keep getting better but the GPU is lacking severely and can't compete with their 5700 offering let alone 5700XT etc.
So that is by far the biggest question mark here. Other things like 16gb limit on M1 etc. needs to be workout also so is WWDC the time or is it still too early? We shall see soon. Of course, this year will be very exciting so I can't wait for what they show us. I kinda hope its WWDC with some amazing stuff as I have passed on 2020 iMac after seeing the M1 awesomeness. Now I just have to be patient. Can't wait to upgrade from my 2017 MBP which is often like a turbine
The question though is - WWDC for M1 variant that is more powerful or M2 variant around fall 2021? The main "problem" for Apple to catch up with is the GPU side. I think CPU performance is good and it will only keep getting better but the GPU is lacking severely and can't compete with their 5700 offering let alone 5700XT etc.
So that is by far the biggest question mark here. Other things like 16gb limit on M1 etc. needs to be workout also so is WWDC the time or is it still too early? We shall see soon. Of course, this year will be very exciting so I can't wait for what they show us. I kinda hope its WWDC with some amazing stuff as I have passed on 2020 iMac after seeing the M1 awesomeness. Now I just have to be patient. Can't wait to upgrade from my 2017 MBP which is often like a turbine
In regards to RAM, there are higher-density options than the 8GB modules (I believe) Apple uses with the M1. They could also just use more 8GB modules since the package size can be larger on a desktop.
So I think a 32GB option is assured and possibly even 64GB.
So I think a 32GB option is assured and possibly even 64GB.
I think every limit on the current M1 will be broken, sometimes by a long way.
RAM is an interesting one as it is shared, which has a lot of pluses, but several questions about if Apple will keep to that for all models. There are Arm reference designs with 128 and more cores. Will there be enough performance if they have that many shared between CPU and GPU? Or will there be a separate, but closely linked, GPU that plugs directly into the other side of the RAM? Either of those will hopefully be combined with lots of RAM.
I’m doubtful we will see a totally separate GPU with it’s own RAM, but I think there are several surprises to come (which will make Intel’s campaign look even dumber than it already does).
Maybe the reason for Intel's desperation is that they know something we don't. I guess as a large customer Apple must order the CPUs they want several months in advance to secure delivery, just like they order chips from TSMC a year in advance. It could be that Apple is going to switch to ARM much sooner than expected, just like the last switch, and Intel knows that. They know they will not get new orders next year.
They said PPC to Intel transition would take 2.5 years (announced at WWDC 2005 and finished by the end of 2007). It took 1.5 years 2005-2006. This time Apple said at WWDC 2020 it would take 2 years. That would be sometime between June and December next year. Three Mac models already have stopped using Intel (MBP 13", MBA, Mini) and iMac Pro is discontinued. Only remaining Macs are MBP 16", iMacs and Mac Pro. MBP 16" and iMacs are switching to AS this year and we could see Mac Pro (Mini) ditching Intel and switching to A15/M2 by the end of the year or early next year, several months earlier than promised.
This would mean this is Intel's last year in Macs and that's why they're pissed knowing that those Apple Silicons will crush Intel's chips and they will not be able to come out with better CPUs in just a year.
They said PPC to Intel transition would take 2.5 years (announced at WWDC 2005 and finished by the end of 2007). It took 1.5 years 2005-2006. This time Apple said at WWDC 2020 it would take 2 years. That would be sometime between June and December next year. Three Mac models already have stopped using Intel (MBP 13", MBA, Mini) and iMac Pro is discontinued. Only remaining Macs are MBP 16", iMacs and Mac Pro. MBP 16" and iMacs are switching to AS this year and we could see Mac Pro (Mini) ditching Intel and switching to A15/M2 by the end of the year or early next year, several months earlier than promised.
This would mean this is Intel's last year in Macs and that's why they're pissed knowing that those Apple Silicons will crush Intel's chips and they will not be able to come out with better CPUs in just a year.
I agree, but one correction. Only the MacBook Air has stopped using Intel. There are MBP 13" and Mini models still using Intel (what were the top-end models, and still are in price terms, although that probably doesn't hold true for performance).
One of the reasons Apple left Intel was certainly that Intel rested on their laurels and slowed down new models as there was no significant competition for several years. It is hard to build momentum again, and I think it will be many years before they have the potential to match Apple's chips, and to do it I think it will involve a switch to Arm.
I think the pandemic has altered any plans Apple had in place. With various chip shortages affecting everything from cars to phones, they may not be able to get enough products in the pipeline to meet the expected demand. Yes, TMSC may be able to make enough M1 chips but it's the other support chips that may present a problem.
With my portable computing needs greatly reduced and not expected to change, my next Mac will likely be an iMac and I will keep my Air for travels. When it gets long in the tooth I can replace it with the current Air at the time. With most of my stuff kept in the cloud, maintaining two computers is much less of a hassle these days.
With my portable computing needs greatly reduced and not expected to change, my next Mac will likely be an iMac and I will keep my Air for travels. When it gets long in the tooth I can replace it with the current Air at the time. With most of my stuff kept in the cloud, maintaining two computers is much less of a hassle these days.
Apple Discontinues 512GB and 1TB SSD Configurations of 4K 21.5-inch iMac
That is a potentially a press release if they aren't redesigning the iMacs and they're just swapping out the CPU/GPU/RAM with M1. But the rumors are modest redesign with M1X silicon, which will be slightly different from M1. Apple would want to take the chance to talk about how much faster it...
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Really looking forward to the new iMacs.
I’m positive we will see a redesign with the Apple Silicon release. If there was ever a time to reinvent the iMac, it’s now.
Whenever their products are getting long in the tooth, without significant upgrades, it usually indicates that they are focused on something big. Think about the iPhone. iPhone 6s/iPhone 7/iPhone 8 were only iterative upgrades and didn’t bring much to the table. The reason was that Apple were busy with big picture upgrades, the iPhone X which reinvented the iPhone.
Same goes with the Macs. We were waiting more than a year and a half for updated Skylake MacBook Pros. The reason they took their sweet time, was they were planning a complete redesign of the MacBook Pro, with new keyboards (let’s not go there!), Touch Bar, and so on.
The iMac has been receiving only iterative upgrades since 2017. Sure, good performance upgrades, but nothing more. No Touch Bar keyboards, no reduced bezels, no 6k display upgrades, nothing. This to me, indicates that Apple have been working on something big for a while now. The rumours have also been stacking up for a 30” iMac as well as a 24” iMac for some time. This surely doesn’t come out of the blue.
Apple have obviously been planning for the shift to Apple Silicon for a long time. My guess is that their new chip design and their reduced need for cooling will allow a significant design change. Pretty much an “iPad Pro on a stick” design. Perhaps the shift in architecture will also allow Touch input? An iMac G4/Surface Pro like swivel stand?
With the chip performance in laptops today, and flexibility thanks to USBC/TB, having a second desktop like the iMac make less and less sense unless you have a very specific use case (video editing, graphics and so on). I believe this shows in the sales numbers. This is why I think it would make sense for Apple to bring some USP back to the iMac. Something for the creatives, gamers, or ideally both.
I‘m super excited either way, let’s hope I won’t be disappointed.
I’m positive we will see a redesign with the Apple Silicon release. If there was ever a time to reinvent the iMac, it’s now.
Whenever their products are getting long in the tooth, without significant upgrades, it usually indicates that they are focused on something big. Think about the iPhone. iPhone 6s/iPhone 7/iPhone 8 were only iterative upgrades and didn’t bring much to the table. The reason was that Apple were busy with big picture upgrades, the iPhone X which reinvented the iPhone.
Same goes with the Macs. We were waiting more than a year and a half for updated Skylake MacBook Pros. The reason they took their sweet time, was they were planning a complete redesign of the MacBook Pro, with new keyboards (let’s not go there!), Touch Bar, and so on.
The iMac has been receiving only iterative upgrades since 2017. Sure, good performance upgrades, but nothing more. No Touch Bar keyboards, no reduced bezels, no 6k display upgrades, nothing. This to me, indicates that Apple have been working on something big for a while now. The rumours have also been stacking up for a 30” iMac as well as a 24” iMac for some time. This surely doesn’t come out of the blue.
Apple have obviously been planning for the shift to Apple Silicon for a long time. My guess is that their new chip design and their reduced need for cooling will allow a significant design change. Pretty much an “iPad Pro on a stick” design. Perhaps the shift in architecture will also allow Touch input? An iMac G4/Surface Pro like swivel stand?
With the chip performance in laptops today, and flexibility thanks to USBC/TB, having a second desktop like the iMac make less and less sense unless you have a very specific use case (video editing, graphics and so on). I believe this shows in the sales numbers. This is why I think it would make sense for Apple to bring some USP back to the iMac. Something for the creatives, gamers, or ideally both.
I‘m super excited either way, let’s hope I won’t be disappointed.
New iMacs found in Big Sur 11.3 with code names 21,1 and 21,2!
2019 iMac 21,5" 19,2, iMac 27" 19,1
2020 iMac 27" 5300/5500 XT 20,1, 27" 5700/5700XT 20,2.
2021 iMac 24" 21,2, iMac 27" or 32" 21,1?
The codes could also be for just two models of iMac 24" with different configurations but MB Air with 7 or 8 GPU cores have both the same code name 10,1 so either there can be two significantly different configurations with the same screen size or two different sizes.
2019 iMac 21,5" 19,2, iMac 27" 19,1
2020 iMac 27" 5300/5500 XT 20,1, 27" 5700/5700XT 20,2.
2021 iMac 24" 21,2, iMac 27" or 32" 21,1?
The codes could also be for just two models of iMac 24" with different configurations but MB Air with 7 or 8 GPU cores have both the same code name 10,1 so either there can be two significantly different configurations with the same screen size or two different sizes.
I see this as promising news - my (personal-use) 2012 iMac still works fine / looks the same, but won't upgrade to BigSur & is noticeably slower in daily use than my (work-provided) MacBook Pro. The only thing it really struggles with is iMovie rendering, so hardly an emergency replacement for my Use Cases ...
I've looked at the Mac Mini which would do just fine, but the lack of decent & affordable monitor options since the LGs were withdrawn is making me hold on for the new iMac.
I've looked at the Mac Mini which would do just fine, but the lack of decent & affordable monitor options since the LGs were withdrawn is making me hold on for the new iMac.
The death of the iMac Pro likely is related to Intel ending W-2100 series Xeon production this summer and Apple not wanting to have to order more units so they sold out of the stock they had (sans warranty reserves) and pulled the plug.
The 21.5" losing the 512GB and 1TB SSD models makes me believe Apple is ready to launch a new model (the ~24-inch) and they are keeping the 256GB/1TB Fusion models around for enterprise customers / low-end anchor to get consumers into the store to then upsell to these new M-powered models.
The 21.5" losing the 512GB and 1TB SSD models makes me believe Apple is ready to launch a new model (the ~24-inch) and they are keeping the 256GB/1TB Fusion models around for enterprise customers / low-end anchor to get consumers into the store to then upsell to these new M-powered models.
I still don't think we will see them this month. What would they show at WWDC if they show us big boy AS 2 months prior? I think iPad Pro and some other toys within few days/weeks and iMac and MBP at WWDC where they can boast a lot about the M1X and GPU (Lifuka)
Even though I would love it sooner I just don't think it will happen before WWDC.
Even though I would love it sooner I just don't think it will happen before WWDC.
If it is June or July, I think that will work. I might just opt for a refurbished mini to get me through the next 2 to 3 years.
Yeah, probably July if they do April event but we shall see.
With the chip delays and all other stuff happening I wouldn't be surprised if its like last year and its a month later (july)
With the chip delays and all other stuff happening I wouldn't be surprised if its like last year and its a month later (july)
