Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Freida]

I don't think the mac mini will get different chips. I think we will be rocking these for a while and only Mac Pro will get something different. (most likely M2 Max or dual M2 Max)
Now that we know what the naming scheme is we need to see how Apple does updates. Spring for low end and fall for high end?

 

[anthonymoody]

Yeah I'm waiting for the big boy iMac for sure at this point. I can stretch my 2014 5k another year.

 

[Phil77354]

Yeah I'm waiting for the big boy iMac for sure at this point. I can stretch my 2014 5k another year.

Me too, but I'm frustrated that Monterey is not compatible . . .

 

[Realityck]

I don't think the mac mini will get different chips. I think we will be rocking these for a while and only Mac Pro will get something different. (most likely M2 Max or dual M2 Max)
Now that we know what the naming scheme is we need to see how Apple does updates. Spring for low end and fall for high end?

It can be any time of the year barring the shipping problems currently. I expect a another bunch of products 6 months from now. ~ April 2022

I compared the speed of my M1 base iMac to the earliest speed test for the Pro Max in this post, can say increasing the CPU/GPU cores impacted geekbench 5 scores somewhat. These CPUs are meant for programs that can really push all the cores that these new M1 Pro/M1 Max offers. I am also concerned that putting the Pro Max in a laptop isn't immediately going to be best for heady duty tasks, judging by the fact that a 16" utilizes a 140 watt power adapter, its got too get fairly warm if not hot when really pushed.

 

[SoYoung]

Me too, but I'm frustrated that Monterey is not compatible . . .

Montery is a joke anyway for any 27' iMac before 2017. I have a late 2015 one and basically all the good features aren't supported so in the end its a minor update and only worth it if you have a M1 Mac or at least a intel mac from 2019 and up.

 

[Phil77354]

Montery is a joke anyway for any 27' iMac before 2017. I have a late 2015 one and basically all the good features aren't supported so in the end its a minor update and only worth it if you have a M1 Mac or at least a intel mac from 2019 and up.

I suppose you're right. If all (or most) of the benefits for sharing between devices won't be fully functional for the older iMac, then it just reinforces the case for getting a new iMac when they do finally introduce the bigger model. Or maybe I will even go for one of the 24" models when the time comes, since it won't be that much smaller than my 27", to save some money.

 

[CWallace]

I am also concerned that putting the Pro Max in a laptop isn't intimately going to be best for heady duty tasks, judging by the fact that a 16" utilizes a 140 watt power adapter, its got too get fairly warm if not hot when really pushed.

I am confident M1 Pro MAX will have significantly lower thermals than the Intel Corei9 and top-end AMD mobile GPUs previously used.

 

[Freida]

Thermals won't be an issue. Remember - you are getting 2for1. Its like getting i9 chip (but faster) + Radeon 5700XT ( a touch better) together.

It will produce way less heat than those 2 together so I think we are good here.

It can be any time of the year barring the shipping problems currently. I expect a another bunch of products 6 months from now. ~ April 2022

I compared the speed of my M1 base iMac to the earliest speed test for the Pro Max in this post, can say increasing the CPU/GPU cores impacted geekbench 5 scores somewhat. These CPUs are meant for programs that can really push all the cores that these new M1 Pro/M1 Max offers. I am also concerned that putting the Pro Max in a laptop isn't intimately going to be best for heady duty tasks, judging by the fact that a 16" utilizes a 140 watt power adapter, its got too get fairly warm if not hot when really pushed.

 

[Traverse]

What I want to know is how feasible it will be to get a mini LED display as well as promotion in a larger iMac. The ProMotion caught me by surprise today, but I do not understand display technology well enough to gauge the probability of getting a display on an iMac of equal quality to the MacBook Pro.

 

[cookiemonster89]

What I want to know is how feasible it will be to get a mini LED display as well as promotion in a larger iMac. The ProMotion caught me by surprise today, but I do not understand display technology well enough to gauge the probability of getting a display on an iMac of equal quality to the MacBook Pro.

Even the expensive Pro Display XDR does not have Promotion right? Seems like it is quite expensive to implement.

 

[Serban55]

Perhaps the large iMac and "Mac mini Pro" are getting different SoCs than M1 Pro/MAX so the wait it on that or perhaps we will see a new Apple Thunderbolt Display using the same panel as the large iMac and therefore all three will launch at WWDC.

based on what? because its not based on Apple history...since the 24" imac came months later with the exact same M1 SoC
So, i expect the same exact scenario here...the imac will get these next year in March/April along side with mac mini

 

[Serban55]

I am confident M1 Pro MAX will have significantly lower thermals than the Intel Corei9 and top-end AMD mobile GPUs previously used.

yes, this is just about fast charging...so for apple to lived up to the promised while using in full load your 16" it requires that 140W...and again, this brick will support next generation of MBP with M2pro and M3 max etc
The question is...on the 14" max out like the 16"...why just 96W ?!?!

 

[CWallace]

What I want to know is how feasible it will be to get a mini LED display as well as promotion in a larger iMac. The ProMotion caught me by surprise today, but I do not understand display technology well enough to gauge the probability of getting a display on an iMac of equal quality to the MacBook Pro.

There are a number of 4K 30-inch or larger MiniLED computer monitors, but they are all $4000 or more. Apple will have their own unique panel for these iMacs so maybe they can add MiniLED without an "iMac Pro" starting price or it might be a very expensive BTO option. Regardless of the backlighting, I would expect the display to handle ProMotion at 120Hz.

based on what? because its not based on Apple history...since the 24" imac came months later with the exact same M1 SoC
So, i expect the same exact scenario here...the imac will get these next year in March/April along side with mac mini

Based on "why didn't Apple launch a new large iMac with M1 Pro and M1 MAX" yesterday?

Seriously, why not just show all the Macs if they are ready? Why hold back the "Mac mini Pro" (especially) and larger iMac if they use the same SoCs as the MacBook Pros? Sure, now that the events are virtual Apple can hold one very week if they want, but I mean "today we're talking Mac" would have been the logical place to hold it. The longer Apple holds these machines back, the greater the chance a larger portion of the userbase switches to other options - within Apple and without.

 

[Voyageur]

Seriously, why not just show all the Macs if they are ready? Why hold back the "Mac mini Pro" (especially) and larger iMac if they use the same SoCs as the MacBook Pros? Sure, now that the events are virtual Apple can hold one very week if they want, but I mean "today we're talking Mac" would have been the logical place to hold it. The longer Apple holds these machines back, the greater the chance a larger portion of the userbase switches to other options - within Apple and without.

What are the options? further expanding cores to 64 cores? Unlikely I think. M2 Pro / Max? Too early. But I would be glad if the high end iMac got even more power.

 

[CWallace]

What are the options? further expanding cores to 64 cores? Unlikely I think. M2 Pro / Max? Too early. But I would be glad if the high end iMac got even more power.

If the delay is due to more powerful processors, then if M1 Pro and M1 MAX are the equivalent of the Intel 45w mobile CPUs used in the previous MacBook Pro, "Jade2C-Die" and "Jade4C-Die" could be more akin to the 65W desktop CPU in the Mini and the 65-125W CPUs used in the larger iMac.

The Mini has not had a dGPU since the 2012 model so one would think the 16/32 cores would be more than enough and I just don't see the need for it to have the multi-die SoCs so I do not see why it would not have been released yesterday if Apple plans to offer those SoCs in the mini form factor.

I wonder if maybe the Mac mini will just stay on the base M SoC and the M2 redesign will (maybe) add another one or two USB/TB ports? I mean the M1 hammers the Intel CPU/iGPU in the 2018 model into the ground already and M2 will only make that gap worse.

 

[ascender]

Oh well, bang goes that theory. I'm still a bit surprised there was no larger/pro versions of the Mini or iMac. And it would appear that the rumoured shortages were BS - even with the Apple Store struggling under the load of traffic, you can still order machines today for delivery next week.

I'd be a bit surprised if either of those expected machines had more powerful/different processors given how good the Pro and Max ones look and how many options there are available.

Or maybe Apple wanted the MBPs to have lots of stock available at launch, so have delayed the other machines until the Spring?

Or maybe the larger iMac and more powerful Mac mini aren't going to be marketed as "pro" versions of them?

 

[Homy]

Oh well, bang goes that theory. I'm still a bit surprised there was no larger/pro versions of the Mini or iMac. And it would appear that the rumoured shortages were BS - even with the Apple Store struggling under the load of traffic, you can still order machines today for delivery next week.

I'd be a bit surprised if either of those expected machines had more powerful/different processors given how good the Pro and Max ones look and how many options there are available.

Or maybe Apple wanted the MBPs to have lots of stock available at launch, so have delayed the other machines until the Spring?

Or maybe the larger iMac and more powerful Mac mini aren't going to be marketed as "pro" versions of them?

I think there is a chip shortage and that's why Apple cut down the production of iPhone 13 by 10 millions to redirect the resources towards the new Macbook Pros. For the same reason I think they didn't intorduce a Mac Mini Pro/Max but it will come later. Another reason could be that they just wanted people to buy the more expensive laptops first. If there was a new Mac Mini Max I would buy today but now I have to buy a 14" MBP 16-core GPU while waiting for the Mac Mini because I can't wait anymore and want a better GPU than M1.

 

[Christian Schumacher]

I think there is a chip shortage and that's why Apple cut down the production of iPhone 13 by 10 millions to redirect the resources towards the new Macbook Pros. For the same reason I think they didn't intorduce a Mac Mini Pro/Max but it will come later. Another reason could be that they just wanted people to buy the more expensive laptops first. If there was a new Mac Mini Max I would buy today but now I have to buy a 14" MBP 16-core GPU while waiting for the Mac Mini because I can't wait anymore and want a better GPU than M1.

Or Mac Mini was relegated to entry level M1 (same precedent as iMac 24). If one wants GPU (ports, grunt, etc) Apple will offer only Pro/Max machines (MacBook Pro / iMac Pro plus Max upgrades and MacPro of course)

 

[Moonjumper]

Or Mac Mini was relegated to entry level M1 (same precedent as iMac 24). If one wants GPU (ports, grunt, etc) Apple will offer only Pro/Max machines (MacBook Pro / iMac Pro plus Max upgrades and MacPro of course)

I don't think they would have kept the Intel version around if that was going to happen. It would have been a clean switch.

 

[Christian Schumacher]

Intel Mac Mini can have 64GB and Intel iMac 21 can have better GPU and RAM. My suspicion is that those models will be entry level M1 only, so the "pro" Mac Mini users will have to wait for the rumoured mini Mac Pro

 

[Christian Schumacher]

I don't think they would have kept the Intel version around if that was going to happen. It would have been a clean switch.

Good point, but my line of thinking is that the Mac Pro Mini is the replacement for the Mac Mini Pro

 

[Voyageur]

Intel Mac Mini can have 64GB and Intel iMac 21 can have better GPU and RAM. My suspicion is that those models will be entry level M1 only, so the "pro" Mac Mini users will have to wait for the rumoured mini Mac Pro

Top level MacMini models with Intel are still on sale. Mini with M1 was able to replace only the low level models. Obviously, the M1Pro/M1Max/Equivalent MacMini will be in the future.

 

[UltimateSyn]

Good point, but my line of thinking is that the Mac Pro Mini is the replacement for the Mac Mini Pro

Interesting theory, and would avoid having too cluttered of a desktop Mac lineup, but I'm not seeing how they'd release a Mac Pro Mini at the $1099 pricepoint of the current 'Mac Mini Pro.' Hmmmmmm.

 

[Christian Schumacher]

Top level MacMini models with Intel are still on sale. Mini with M1 was able to replace only the low level models. Obviously, the M1Pro/M1Max/Equivalent MacMini will be in the future.

Sure, but the intel iMac 21 got revisioned into a entry level Mac, and I'm thinking the same could happen to the Mac Mini, at least from what the redesigned leaks have indicated I'm not sure there will be a "pro" Mac Mini (like there's no Imac 24 Pro) That's what the Mac Pro Mini is going to be perhaps? A replacement for the "pro" use of the Mac Mini?

 

[CWallace]

I don't think they would have kept the Intel version around if that was going to happen. It would have been a clean switch.

If Apple is not intending to offer the Pro or MAX SoC on the mini, then they may wait until the M2 model launches in 2022 (likely alongside the M2 MacBook Air) to finally put the Intel model to bed - especially if the M2 model includes a new case with additional and/or upgraded ports.