Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Freida]

Why so hostile?
He is actually on point. The M2 won't be in the same league as M1X its just common sense.
M1X (or however they call the powerful one) is different league and next generation of M chip won't get even close to multithreaded performance or GPU performance.

People who feel that M2 will overshadow M1X don't really understand tech or what is Apple doing here.
Sure, single threaded will be faster but I wouldn't expect anything crazy. Probably the same progression we've seen between A14 to A15 in terms of % for single threaded.

Average consumer doesn't understand that thats true but average consumer will most likely run benchmarks or will see benchmarks on Apple's website. Then there is Apple staff that is there to advice (I used to work for Apple so I know how many times I've saved people money as they thought they need something more expensive OR helped them get the right specs for their needs).

Sure, quality of Apple service in some stores went down a bit (from my experience) but that doesn't change the fact that most people will seek help from someone. Friend, colleague etc.
Not always is the help correct but that is irrelevant. Eventually those that seek will get the right answer (Apple is good with that most of the time) and those that don't care will not care anyway.

Anyway, either there is a misunderstanding between us or you were serious. Either way, maybe this helped

You think the average consumer understands any of that?

And frankly a ton of your thoughts the last year have blown up, so I will take all that with a grain of salt.

 

[Voyageur]

You think the average consumer understands any of that?

And frankly a ton of your thoughts the last year have blown up, so I will take all that with a grain of salt.

The average consumer does not need to understand this at all. He is told that it is "new and cool" and he chooses this new and cool regardless of what is written there.

For those who are interested a little, everything is quite clearly explained in the advertisement on the Apple site or by consultants.

And those who want to understand more are already able to figure it out themselves.

 

[ascender]

So is today the day we can order a larger iMac, with more ports and better multi-core performance?

Assuming its going to use the same SOC as the new laptops, I don't see why not, unless there's supply constraints to the point where they've had to prioritise them for the MBP?

 

[EugW]

So is today the day we can order a larger iMac, with more ports and better multi-core performance?

Assuming its going to use the same SOC as the new laptops, I don't see why not, unless there's supply constraints to the point where they've had to prioritise them for the MBP?

New iMac in 2022 is the belief.

 

[ascender]

New iMac in 2022 is the belief.

I was really hoping for it today, especially given the use of "big things" in their marketing for it. I guess we'll know soon enough.

 

[fireguy286]

I was really hoping for it today, especially given the use of "big things" in their marketing for it. I guess we'll know soon enough.

Very unlikely - but there's always the chance of surprise. Whatever is coming today isn't likely to outperform the options available on the latest iMac 27 or the Mac Pro yet - especially graphically. These were always going to be last in the transition IMO. Apple has transitioned the mainstream/popular models first and with the way things have gone globally writ large, they are going to need all 2 years of that promised transition window.

 

[Freida]

Yeah, I would love that too but it doesn't look promising. Seems, that bigger iMac is probably still few months away (most likely spring event or even WWDC if they do it together with Mac Pro and the new display).
Would love to be surprised today though

I was really hoping for it today, especially given the use of "big things" in their marketing for it. I guess we'll know soon enough.

 

[BlueTide]

Just to amuse everyone with what-ifs that even I've not thought through. Apple could re-set the naming with M2. Say, pump out M1X, M1Z if needed, and then come out with M2 on Mac Pro top notch thingie, M2XXX, and starts variants from there on down - M2L for Air, M2X for iMac Pro (or whatever the top one is), M2 for some laptops...

 

[ascender]

Very unlikely - but there's always the chance of surprise. Whatever is coming today isn't likely to outperform the options available on the latest iMac 27 or the Mac Pro yet - especially graphically. These were always going to be last in the transition IMO. Apple has transitioned the mainstream/popular models first and with the way things have gone globally writ large, they are going to need all 2 years of that promised transition window.

I think what's coming today will out-perform the iMac 27" and iMac Pro, but certainly not the Mac Pro. Of all the machines that are left, I think the Mac Pro is the only one which necessitates a very different approach. I fully expect the "pro" Mac mini and iMac to have the save SOCs as the MBP gets.

 

[Freida]

huh? I got confused immediately so what you are proposing (even though it makes it messy) just wouldn't make any sense from marketing or even clarity point of you. Maybe you didn't explain it well perhaps?

Just to amuse everyone with what-ifs that even I've not thought through. Apple could re-set the naming with M2. Say, pump out M1X, M1Z if needed, and then come out with M2 on Mac Pro top notch thingie, M2XXX, and starts variants from there on down - M2L for Air, M2X for iMac Pro (or whatever the top one is), M2 for some laptops...

 

[Voyageur]

I think what's coming today will out-perform the iMac 27" and iMac Pro, but certainly not the Mac Pro. Of all the machines that are left, I think the Mac Pro is the only one which necessitates a very different approach. I fully expect the "pro" Mac mini and iMac to have the save SOCs as the MBP gets.

The question is interesting and controversial. If we consider the GPU, even a 32-core hypothetical solution will not be much more powerful than the 5700XT in the 2020 iMac. The question arises, will the power increase in 10-15% be sufficient after 1,5-2 years since iMac 2020 release?

 

[Freida]

Yeah, thats a tough one but if we get at least 5700XT GPU performance in an iMac then I feel I'll be ok with that. Its the bare minimum they have to hit.
I think the other benefits along with this will make for superior computer but we shall see shortly

The question is interesting and controversial. If we consider the GPU, even a 32-core hypothetical solution will not be much more powerful than the 5700XT in the 2020 iMac. The question arises, will the power increase in 10-15% be sufficient after 1,5-2 years since iMac 2020 release?

 

[fireguy286]

I think what's coming today will out-perform the iMac 27" and iMac Pro, but certainly not the Mac Pro. Of all the machines that are left, I think the Mac Pro is the only one which necessitates a very different approach. I fully expect the "pro" Mac mini and iMac to have the save SOCs as the MBP gets.

I guess we shall see, but I don't think you're getting i9 performance out of today... by next generation, definitely but anything's possible I suppose. I still think it comes down to dedicated graphic performance though.

 

[CWallace]

Well it's official - M1 Pro for the 16 GPU and M1 MAX for the 32 GPU.

 

[Moonjumper]

The presentation opened with an iMac G3, but no iMac was released. I didn't think it would be, but that opening scene convinced me it would. So now I am disappointed.

 

[chrisdazzo]

So sad. Guess we're waiting until Spring.

 

[Lava Lamp Freak]

At least the new MBP is retaining the Silver and Space Gray colors. So there is still hope that the iMac Pro will not be white.

 

[opeter]

So sad. Guess we're waiting until Spring.

Maybe they will have an event in January or February 2022... Only Tim knows.

 

[CWallace]

Yeah I expect Silver and Space Grey.

My iPhone arrives today and my 14" will be here on the 26th.

 

[fireguy286]

I definitely don't want a $2000+ computer with a notch, good grief, no.

I have no doubt the performance here is going to be best in class between the two, but the current charts and numbers are all marketing yet.

 

[anthonymoody]

I think what's coming today will out-perform the iMac 27" and iMac Pro, but certainly not the Mac Pro. Of all the machines that are left, I think the Mac Pro is the only one which necessitates a very different approach. I fully expect the "pro" Mac mini and iMac to have the save SOCs as the MBP gets.

Actually during the presentation at least one of the specs on the MBP's was highlighted as being "even faster than the Mac Pro" (or was it "even more than the Mac Pro"?) though I can't recall which spec. I *think* it was how many 8K pro res streams could be edited simultaneously but don't quote me on that.

Regardless...the inevitable larger iMac (Pro?) is going to be a MF BEAST.

 

[Freida]

they could have at least update the Mac Mini too.

 

[CWallace]

Perhaps the large iMac and "Mac mini Pro" are getting different SoCs than M1 Pro/MAX so the wait it on that or perhaps we will see a new Apple Thunderbolt Display using the same panel as the large iMac and therefore all three will launch at WWDC.

 

[chrisdazzo]

Perhaps the large iMac and "Mac mini Pro" are getting different SoCs than M1 Pro/MAX so the wait it on that or perhaps we will see a new Apple Thunderbolt Display using the same panel as the large iMac and therefore all three will launch at WWDC.

Seems like an age from now... but I'm not buying an iMac Pro now, seeing how powerful these M1 Pro/Max chips are. The actual Pro desktop chips are going to be absolutely insane.

 

[Cassandle]

Will be interesting to see what chip they put in the iMac (and any potential Mini Pro).

The same chips as the MBP? If not, presumably they could scale up the M1 Max—a M1 Pro Max perhaps? Or something different?