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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
    822
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iPadified

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I'd go:

Consumer: 13" MacBook Air | ~24" 4K iMac | iPad | iPhone SE / iPhone
Prosumer: 14"/16" MacBook Pro | 27" 5K iMac | iPad Air / iPad Pro | iPhone Pro
Professional: 16" MacBook Pro | iMac Pro | Mac Pro | iPad Pro | iPhone Pro

The iPad Mini and Mac Mini seem to have their strongest niche in the business / corporate world so I would keep them around, but I would not necessarily be advertising them hard.

The iPad Air seems to be one of those "Tim Cook Parts Specials" where the supply chain was already making the parts, so let's cobble them together into something we can slot between the iPad Pro and the iPad. I'd prefer Apple work to try and combine it and the iPad into a single model, but iPad shipments have benefitted from the $329 MSRP so not sure how much you could or would sacrifice from the Air to knock, say, $150 off it's price to become the new entry-level iPad.

Make sense with three levels but which levels?

café/office/studios
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Mobile/ portable and desk / desk only
or
<60W / 60-500W / +500W

In my view dividing computers into consumer and professional is very limiting as it is tied to "work" and "leisure" rather than parameters describing the computer (portability, input method, CPU/GPU power, expansions, ECC). If we look at any vendor and include BTO, we have a gradient of computers required to meet any possible situation, professional or private.

The only hole Apple have in its lineup as I see it is a (mini) tower for the cost sensitive user (hobbyist of professional) that needs the power and flexibility of the MP but not the quality of the compute (ECC etc).

The G4 iMac could be morphed into a replaceable base so you can recycle the screen if you need to update the computer but not the screen or vice versa or if you need that 32" XDR Pro screen... Throwing way that 27 screen hurts when the computer is obsolete.

Is the delivery times slipping? Seem to be up from 2-3 weeks to now 3-4 week (4-5 for BTO).
 

Patchwork

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The iMac Pro delivery time is down to next Wednesday for standard build and 1st to 3rd June for BTO in the UK, while standard 27 inch iMac is now 4th to 11th June for standard build and 17th to 24th June for BTO. I’m not sure what this means but does look like no update for the iMac Pro.
 

sublunar

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W-1200s are just a way to get lower-core count CPUs into lower-end workstations to give PC workstation OEMs some more options (and Intel some more margin). As pldelisle noted, these are just K-series Core-i9, Core-i7 and Core-i5 binned for TDP and with overclocking disabled.

Apple would not use them in the iMac Pro since the W-2200 series are the true successors to the W-2100 series currently used, but I guess maybe we could have a 16" "MacBook Pro Pro" with the W-1290 and W-1280. :p

But does Apple need the W2200 series in an iMac Pro now that the Mac Pro exists? They could keep the line going for the halo effect on the entire Mac range to be fair. If they did they would keep the same price point and spec up accordingly.

Apple never showed any interest in using the Xeon E3 series CPUs which stood parallel to the Core series these last few years either (they went with E5 CPUs for the trashcan Mac Pro). Intel rebadging E3 to be entry level Xeon W may similarly leave Apple unswayed, but let's go with some reasoning behind how Apple might use the Xeon W 1200 series.

My thinking applies for 2 reasons (plus a footnote):

1. Marketing separation: iMac Pro is defined as a higher priced bit of kit that comes with full SSD, T2, and generous specs from the get-go. Consumers would more readily accept a high priced new iMac Pro compared with an iMac that suddenly increased in price as far as they were concerned.

2. Spec sanity. For high end iMac buyers, some of the features in the current iMac Pro will go untapped or unnoticed - the ultra high RAM ceiling or RAID SSD pair for instance. Some buyers who never would have gone above 10 cores/20 threads or 128Gb RAM paid handsomely for a platform that could. If Apple were to use a more sane choice of component range that most of us would buy it would make usable 'pro' iMacs much more affordable.

3. Limits and compromises. A Xeon W-1200 series costs roughly the same as a similar Comet Lake S part and offers the same 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes as the regular Core CPUs. At the very least, on Apple's current design choices, a 23" iMac Pro would have 8 PCIe lanes assigned to the GPU, 4 for the SSD, and 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports coming off the last 4 lanes using a Titan Ridge controller.

4. Ultimately, we could see a range of Apple desktop products surviving an ARM cull in the short term by switching to an Intel Xeon platform where they might appeal to a community who require Intel Mac - and would be prepared to pay more in the medium term.

On this basis, existing iMacs get minor spec bump - staying within the existing parts bin - perhaps getting RAM up to 16Gb as standard across the board. And with ARM CPUs on the horizon this might make the next bump the EOL.

iMac Pro 27" gets the highly expected refresh, starting with 10 cores for the same $5000.
iMac Pro 23" using Xeon W-1200. And this would get a 4.6k display to remain retina.
Both Pro models get a new look and there's then a nice price gap below both for an iMac Air that's ARM powered in due course...

And finally, there's a chance that Apple could be persuaded to use that Xeon in an xMac if they were seeking to make a junior Mac Pro...

All I would ask for is a small enclosure with a PCIe 16x slot (electrically 8x) that came filled with some sort of AMD GPU in it as standard. The motherboard could continue to support 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports and have accessible DDR4 ECC RAM slots.

Obligatory Apple Store iMac watch:
Incidentally, BTO 27" iMacs now mid to late June - the standard configs are available early June in the UK. So far so mundane. But the 21.5" suddenly went to June for 'standard' configs with BTO orders arriving SOONER - late May. No such craziness in the US where you can get whatever 21.5" you like within a few days. The iMac 27" in the US remains the 2-3 or 3-4 weeks away.
 

Spungoflex

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I personally hate the idea of 'iMac Air'. What the hell is nice in having mobile hardware in a desktop form factor ? No way. Apple is better than this, even for a low end segment.

Maybe because the 16” MacBook Pro is more powerful than anything 95% plus of iMac users would ever need.

Nobody would be forcing you to buy one, so I don’t understand where the anger comes from.

You are that adamant that people overpay for an all-in-one computer? Nobody needs a 32 core Xeon to browse Facebook.
 
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I think the Air version could be the cheaper version but in same chassis. Would be a very good computer to many. It's bettert to have new laptop parts than old desktop parts in the cheaper model.
 

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And finally, there's a chance that Apple could be persuaded to use that Xeon in an xMac if they were seeking to make a junior Mac Pro...

All I would ask for is a small enclosure with a PCIe 16x slot (electrically 8x) that came filled with some sort of AMD GPU in it as standard. The motherboard could continue to support 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports and have accessible DDR4 ECC RAM slots.

Would those chips fit thermally in the trashcan Mac Pro chassis? With cheaper finishes and so on, it could become an xMac.

I hope there is something like that as an option if the iMac looses RAM access for better thermals.
 

Abazigal

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I'd 2nd that. I'd rather they had the iMac £599 to £999. Mac Pro £999 to £1999.

I remember the old quadrant fondly before things got out of whack. Bondi Blue iMac or a Blue and white Tower. Great value, decently priced. Greatly missed.

The current set up...is a lot messier in value equations. Though, ironically, we have 5 desktop models. But still no headless in the £1k-£2k area. I'm discounting the Mini. It's a £499-£999 computer at most. I don't take it that seriously without the dGPU.

Seems like the iMac has basically taken over the old Mac Pro’s place at that spec and price point. I believe that’s why we don’t have a headless Mac in this place either. From a functionality perspective, there’s really no reason for it to exist.

The way I see Apple positioning their desktops is the iMac as the general-purpose computer for most consumers. The Mac mini is there for more niche purposes (and cheaper than the iMac), while the Mac Pro is there to handle tasks that not even a souped-up iMac or iMac Pro can handle, which is why it costs more than even the iMac Pro to boot.

I am not sure Steve’s quadrant is relevant today even. It’s a different Apple, in a different era, facing different challenges after all.
 
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Azrael9

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Would those chips fit thermally in the trashcan Mac Pro chassis? With cheaper finishes and so on, it could become an xMac.

I hope there is something like that as an option if the iMac looses RAM access for better thermals.

I think the Mac Pro trash can as the mid-tower in the £999-£2k bracket was the answer. But they priced it starting at £2.5k.

8 core. 5700XT. Trash can at a decent mid-tower price. I thought it had more headroom than the mini to offer dGPUs and 8 core plus.

Azrael.

PS. Apple just want you to pay more for that 'idea'. It's £6k now. It used to be £2.5k. And much less even before that with the G3/G4/G5 towers. Remember when Apple would 'give' you an extra cpu and it would be dual processor at around £2k?
 
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sublunar

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Would those chips fit thermally in the trashcan Mac Pro chassis? With cheaper finishes and so on, it could become an xMac.

I hope there is something like that as an option if the iMac looses RAM access for better thermals.

I wouldn't think they'd want to return to that flawed design - the trianglular thermal core required a pair of balanced custom GPUs which effectively became the bottleneck because I believe that they had to scale with the CPU and that never happened. And they charged for 2 mediocre graphics cards that were of limited utility outside of a specific group of users after GPU compute.

You could argue that Apple have continued to go that way by selecting high end W3xxxM parts in the 2019 Mac Pro - catering for a minority of users - some of whom have already jumped ship to Windows workstations.

If they have truly learned their lesson Apple would surely just create a box that would let users upgrade a standard PC graphics card to one that users could upgrade themselves but they just prefer users to take responsibility for their own external upgrades via Thunderbolt 3 - which is fine if it weren't for the massive cost.

For a 'pro' Mini, Apple would be better off taking inspiration from something like the Ghost Canyon NUC. I'm not saying they do anything as small as that - or the way they decided to do it, but clearly something a fraction of the size of the Mac Pro containing just one slot - a 16x PCIe 3.0 slot which is electrically 8x - to fit a compatible off the shelf AMD GPU would be adequate for many. Size wise it could be a multiple of the Mac mini so the Colo guys could conceivably accommodate it.

To prevent the nickel and dimers from latching onto it Apple would sell it with 32Gb RAM, which users can replace with 64 or 128Gb if they wished, and 1Tb SSD (which users will have to accept can't be upgraded unless via BTO before purchase), throw in a decent 5500XT GPU at the very least, and price it significantly north of $2.5k. That's the Mini Pro as I'd like to see it - take delivery and start using it immediately rather than have to consider a poverty base spec.

That way, people who wanted their headless pro Mac are effectively pre-paying for a selection of Apple upgrades at their prices. If the screaming masses were right then it'll fly off the shelves - largely because it's the box they wanted but you have to pay visible upgrade prices to get it.

The point of this box would be to squeeze in easy to replace standard PC components - graphics card, ATX PSU if possible, SFF at a pinch, RAM, and ability to replace entire motherboard easily.

And before the fan boys start screaming about their own pet peeves - that's roughly the cost of a similar spec Mac mini maxed out accordingly but the one thing everyone in the mini forums is asking for is a larger case to help cooling. If you're already making it a bit larger then why not make it big enough to accommodate a standard graphics card and make it viable for users who are balking at the thought of doubling the cost of their cheap Mini just to get better graphics on it?

Anyone spending $2500 on a Mac with no display while studiously avoiding an iMac at the same price should be assumed to have an idea of what they are doing in my opinion.

Floating back to the topic at hand, the iMac is a perfect candidate for going to ARM sooner than the Mini because of the screen in my opinion. A cooler running all SSD ARM setup is a much better pairing with a thinner iMac enclosure in my opinion.
 

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I wouldn't think they'd want to return to that flawed design - the trianglular thermal core required a pair of balanced custom GPUs which effectively became the bottleneck because I believe that they had to scale with the CPU and that never happened. And they charged for 2 mediocre graphics cards that were of limited utility outside of a specific group of users after GPU compute.

You could argue that Apple have continued to go that way by selecting high end W3xxxM parts in the 2019 Mac Pro - catering for a minority of users - some of whom have already jumped ship to Windows workstations.

If they have truly learned their lesson Apple would surely just create a box that would let users upgrade a standard PC graphics card to one that users could upgrade themselves but they just prefer users to take responsibility for their own external upgrades via Thunderbolt 3 - which is fine if it weren't for the massive cost.

For a 'pro' Mini, Apple would be better off taking inspiration from something like the Ghost Canyon NUC. I'm not saying they do anything as small as that - or the way they decided to do it, but clearly something a fraction of the size of the Mac Pro containing just one slot - a 16x PCIe 3.0 slot which is electrically 8x - to fit a compatible off the shelf AMD GPU would be adequate for many. Size wise it could be a multiple of the Mac mini so the Colo guys could conceivably accommodate it.

To prevent the nickel and dimers from latching onto it Apple would sell it with 32Gb RAM, which users can replace with 64 or 128Gb if they wished, and 1Tb SSD (which users will have to accept can't be upgraded unless via BTO before purchase), throw in a decent 5500XT GPU at the very least, and price it significantly north of $2.5k. That's the Mini Pro as I'd like to see it - take delivery and start using it immediately rather than have to consider a poverty base spec.

That way, people who wanted their headless pro Mac are effectively pre-paying for a selection of Apple upgrades at their prices. If the screaming masses were right then it'll fly off the shelves - largely because it's the box they wanted but you have to pay visible upgrade prices to get it.

The point of this box would be to squeeze in easy to replace standard PC components - graphics card, ATX PSU if possible, SFF at a pinch, RAM, and ability to replace entire motherboard easily.

And before the fan boys start screaming about their own pet peeves - that's roughly the cost of a similar spec Mac mini maxed out accordingly but the one thing everyone in the mini forums is asking for is a larger case to help cooling. If you're already making it a bit larger then why not make it big enough to accommodate a standard graphics card and make it viable for users who are balking at the thought of doubling the cost of their cheap Mini just to get better graphics on it?

Anyone spending $2500 on a Mac with no display while studiously avoiding an iMac at the same price should be assumed to have an idea of what they are doing in my opinion.

Floating back to the topic at hand, the iMac is a perfect candidate for going to ARM sooner than the Mini because of the screen in my opinion. A cooler running all SSD ARM setup is a much better pairing with a thinner iMac enclosure in my opinion.

'Flawed' by targeting it at a £2.5 to £££ market.

The Mac Mini is far more flawed.

The Mac Pro 'Can' as a 'mini' tower in the Mac Mini's price range?

I'd buy. Np.

All of Apple's desktops are flawed to some degree. They couldn't leave the AiO iMac in the £595-£1300 (I remember when the latter top model was considered expensive for a fruit iMac...) and the G3 blue and white tower at £1300-£3k. That gave accessiblity.

The corporate self interest in the post quadrant model speaks for itself. It has little value in my eyes. I won't fling myself on Apple's altar to defend it.

All the Apple Macs will be 'perfect' candidates to go ARM one day. Whether we like it or not.

Mini Pro/Nuc. I aint buying a £2.5k machine with a 5500XT in it.

Apple's mediocre and poor value desktop maybe made and priced that way by Apple in these latter days but that's corporate conditioning and there aren't any other 'Mac' makers to challenge that greedy orthodoxy.

The only thing we can 'assume' is that Apple build their upsell to benefit themselves and not the consumer these days. eg. The entry iMac is a heap of junk of a joke.

Azrael.
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Seems like the iMac has basically taken over the old Mac Pro’s place at that spec and price point. I believe that’s why we don’t have a headless Mac in this place either. From a functionality perspective, there’s really no reason for it to exist.

The way I see Apple positioning their desktops is the iMac as the general-purpose computer for most consumers. The Mac mini is there for more niche purposes (and cheaper than the iMac), while the Mac Pro is there to handle tasks that not even a souped-up iMac or iMac Pro can handle, which is why it costs more than even the iMac Pro to boot.

I am not sure Steve’s quadrant is relevant today even. It’s a different Apple, in a different era, facing different challenges after all.

oh ho?

You now have to pay £1700 to get started on the way to a decent Mac desktop. And you get? An i5 with mediocre dGPU.

Steve's quadrant is even more relevant now with 'bean counter' Cook in charge.

The Mac Pro has a souped up R580 at £6k. It costs more than the iMac Pro by a £1k. No monitor and inferior gpu. But sure, you can upgrade your wheels at the ridiculous $700. (For which you could build a PC that would cream the more expensive Mac Mini.) And I did mention that entry iMac heap of junk for £1049?

That's how warped Apple's desktop is.

Azrael.
 
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Seems like the iMac has basically taken over the old Mac Pro’s place at that spec and price point. I believe that’s why we don’t have a headless Mac in this place either. From a functionality perspective, there’s really no reason for it to exist.

The way I see Apple positioning their desktops is the iMac as the general-purpose computer for most consumers. The Mac mini is there for more niche purposes (and cheaper than the iMac), while the Mac Pro is there to handle tasks that not even a souped-up iMac or iMac Pro can handle, which is why it costs more than even the iMac Pro to boot.

I am not sure Steve’s quadrant is relevant today even. It’s a different Apple, in a different era, facing different challenges after all.

oh ho?

You now have to pay £1700 to get started on the way to a decent Mac desktop. And you get? An i5 with mediocre dGPU.

Steve's quadrant is even more relevant now with 'bean counter' Cook in charge.

The Mac Pro has a souped up R580 at £6k. It costs more than the iMac Pro by a £1k. No monitor and inferior gpu. But sure, you can upgrade your wheels at the ridiculous $700. (For which you could build a PC that would cream the more expensive Mac Mini.)

That's how warped Apple's desktop is.

Azrael.
Make sense with three levels but which levels?

café/office/studios
or
Mobile/ portable and desk / desk only
or
<60W / 60-500W / +500W

In my view dividing computers into consumer and professional is very limiting as it is tied to "work" and "leisure" rather than parameters describing the computer (portability, input method, CPU/GPU power, expansions, ECC). If we look at any vendor and include BTO, we have a gradient of computers required to meet any possible situation, professional or private.

The only hole Apple have in its lineup as I see it is a (mini) tower for the cost sensitive user (hobbyist of professional) that needs the power and flexibility of the MP but not the quality of the compute (ECC etc).

The G4 iMac could be morphed into a replaceable base so you can recycle the screen if you need to update the computer but not the screen or vice versa or if you need that 32" XDR Pro screen... Throwing way that 27 screen hurts when the computer is obsolete.

Is the delivery times slipping? Seem to be up from 2-3 weeks to now 3-4 week (4-5 for BTO).

Well, the Mac Pro used to cost £2.5k for the 'cost sensitive' user and now it's £6k with Apple's trademark 'mediocre' GPU as standard entry.

Your G4 iMac idea is interesting. My iMac is technically 'dead' though I can use the screen and hard drive in Windows, ironically. So I'm feeling the burn not being able to wait it out so well until the new iMac ships as I had intended. Having a monitor and other parts be 'thrown' away because the GPU is fried is very irk worthy. Not that I'll imagine Apple will lose much sleep over that.

You're point on consumer to professional work is note worthy and the fact that most machines technically powerful enough compared to what defined a workstation ten years ago. Even iPads are workstations by that definition of time obseleted comparisons.

A good computer is a celebration of now. The Mac Mini, iMac and iMac Pro are apple's desktops 'right' now.

I wouldn't call them a celebration. We're missing the wit, the energy, the desperation and the imagination that drove 'that' Apple.

And the flagship desktop that embodies that is in need of a shot in the arm design and spec wise at a more rational price.

I remember Steve's Apple battling for survival and bringing out Bondi, fruit iMacs, rebooting the Mac tower with the Blue and White, the Cube....(the 'too high priced' mid tower fitting inbetween the iMac and Mac Pro.

And years later, Apple still haven't got it right.

Azrael.
 

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Will a redesigned iMac arrive in 2020?

I drop in on this thread from time to time, which is unusual, in that I generally find little point in reading prediction threads. But I was considering a new iMac, before I purchased a new Mini, so I looked here for any late-breaking news on the subject.

And I have to say, it's strangely fascinating to see the level of apparent bitterness of some posters.

Really - of what benefit is posting on, and on, and on.... about something that is evidently so abhorrent? If one finds Apple so lacking, why continue to participate in an Apple centric forum?

Unless, of course, there is some strange delight taken in provoking others. Which could be described as trolling. Or simply acting like a dick.

Whatever the reason, living in such a state of mind must be a grim, miserable existence.
 

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Maybe because the 16” MacBook Pro is more powerful than anything 95% plus of iMac users would ever need.

Nobody would be forcing you to buy one, so I don’t understand where the anger comes from.

You are that adamant that people overpay for an all-in-one computer? Nobody needs a 32 core Xeon to browse Facebook.

I don't he's 'angry' probably more 'frustrated' with Apple's perennial inching up of prices for 'decent Mac towers' over the years. And if he isn't, I am.

'Nobody is forcing...' Yeah, yeah. We've heard that one before. He's probably invested in the system. Just like all those £2.5k tower buyers that balked at the Mac Pro can then after a 6 year wait Apple 'rewarded' them with a £6k tower with meh gpu to start.

'No one is forcing...' Yes. I heard the 1st time. ;)

But if I was one of the pros that had 'waiting' 6 years? 'Angry' might be a semantic I'd forgive them for.

As for a 16 inch Macbook and iMac being the 95% most iMac buyers need. We don't know all their use cases.

Gamers, music creators, art creators, 3d, coders and many use cases, VR (that many mediocre desktop Macs can't cope with...)

Over which iMac history? Then? Or now?

Then was the beginner's Mac machine.
Now? It's prosumer, certainly. But it's out of date. And a year late and counting. It was a 'so so' update last year at that.

'Now' we have to remember that the iMac is sitting in the place of a machine (the classic G3/G4/G5 etc) towers that room for desktop cpus and gpus and for those 'Pros' to add to said machine with out selling kidneys.

Fully configured, the iMac is around £3.5k and that still isn't enough. It's reach currently exceeds it's grasp.

The need and demand for consumer power is typified in ever more Olympian PS5s (see the Unreal 5 engine...demo.)

This myth that anything up to £2k (by current Apple standards...) is ok for people geeking out in coffee bars is beyond reality. I'm sure that's part of using a computer.

Apple's desktop is a year out of date.

As for being bitter? We're just waiting on the next iMac prediction whilst drinking Coffee at the local cafe.

*As for pouting, my bottom lip is naturally at a lower mast after losing my beloved iMac at 7.3 years of age. The viking sea funeral for it will happen after I get my data off it.

And where's Prosser when you need him, eh? Apple glasses next year? I want that g'damn sexy iMac right now.

As for democracy. It's fine...so long as nobody is paying attention to what you actually say...

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oh ho?

You now have to pay £1700 to get started on the way to a decent Mac desktop. And you get? An i5 with mediocre dGPU.

Steve's quadrant is even more relevant now with 'bean counter' Cook in charge.

The Mac Pro has a souped up R580 at £6k. It costs more than the iMac Pro by a £1k. No monitor and inferior gpu. But sure, you can upgrade your wheels at the ridiculous $700. (For which you could build a PC that would cream the more expensive Mac Mini.)

That's how warped Apple's desktop is.

Azrael.


Well, the Mac Pro used to cost £2.5k for the 'cost sensitive' user and now it's £6k with Apple's trademark 'mediocre' GPU as standard entry.

Your G4 iMac idea is interesting. My iMac is technically 'dead' though I can use the screen and hard drive in Windows, ironically. So I'm feeling the burn not being able to wait it out so well until the new iMac ships as I had intended. Having a monitor and other parts be 'thrown' away because the GPU is fried is very irk worthy. Not that I'll imagine Apple will lose much sleep over that.

You're point on consumer to professional work is note worthy and the fact that most machines technically powerful enough compared to what defined a workstation ten years ago. Even iPads are workstations by that definition of time obseleted comparisons.

A good computer is a celebration of now. The Mac Mini, iMac and iMac Pro are apple's desktops 'right' now.

I wouldn't call them a celebration. We're missing the wit, the energy, the desperation and the imagination that drove 'that' Apple.

And the flagship desktop that embodies that is in need of a shot in the arm design and spec wise at a more rational price.

I remember Steve's Apple battling for survival and bringing out Bondi, fruit iMacs, rebooting the Mac tower with the Blue and White, the Cube....(the 'too high priced' mid tower fitting inbetween the iMac and Mac Pro.

And years later, Apple still haven't got it right.

Azrael.
You make some great points. The price on the Mac Pro is laughable (at least towards the lower end models). You could build an amazing AMD build for half the price.

To put it bluntly, I think Apple just simply isn't that motivated by the desktop space because laptops are where it makes most money. They have been very slow to update all desktop models over the past decade, and it probably won't change much, despite the odd hint of optimism recently (Mac mini, Mac Pro etc.) They seem to be botched efforts imo, as you've highlighted.

It's a great shame, because people like us are only interested in desktops, and that leaves you with zero chance when it comes to Macs.
 

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Personally I hope there isn't a new iMac.
I get tempted too much and I love new hardware.

For anyone that doesn't have an iMac and would get a new version or those needing an upgrade, I hope there is a nice substantial upgrade soon.
You have an iMac Pro and fully kitted non-pro iMac, I think you're fine ;)
 
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I completely agree.?
I have a problem?

Is there a support group??
I used to have the same problem for Apple devices, especially iPads. I bought every single model for the first 6 years, even if the upgrades were minimal... I am slowly learning to change. You can do it too, I believe in you!
 

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Will a redesigned iMac arrive in 2020?

...

Whatever the reason, living in such a state of mind must be a grim, miserable existence.

Yes. I think so. Substantially so. It's ripe and ready to be born again. With more specs and more design. More heart and more imagination. One for the customers. An actual 'product' for 'the rest of us.'

As for your 2nd point. I have it on a 91.5 elderly's person's sincere advice... (No longer with us, sadly.)

'Life is sweet.'

Azrael.
 
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mindquest

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Yes. I think so. Substantially so. It's ripe and ready to be born again. With more specs and more design. More heart and more imagination. One for the customers. An actual 'product' for 'the rest of us.'

As for your 2nd point. I have it on a 91.5 elderly's person's sincere advice... (No longer with us, sadly.)

'Life is sweet.'

Azrael.
If it doesn't get announced in May then my money is on a redesign at WWDC!
 

MvdM

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It is kind of time for me to update my 2011 iMac, but I don't need a new one right now.

I use my iMac mainly for webdevelopment, but I occasionally like to play games (but mostly AAA-titles on Windows, not the casual stuff).

I thought hard about upgrading my iMac to the 2019 one, but it feels to me this was a minor update and also that a redesign is around the corner (expecting 2020, maybe earlier, it happened before).

When a redesign happens, I expect:
  • Smaller bezels (as all new Apple's products have)
  • Improved display (but not expecting XDR display level)
  • SSD by default, starting with 256GB, no more fusion drive
  • T2 chip, or possibly T3
  • FaceID or TouchID
  • 10th generation intel
  • AMD Navi GPU
  • 16GB RAM by default (possibly not upgradeable anymore)
Some people are predicting Apple to switch to ARM processors in 2020. If this would be the case, gaming on Windows would be impossible right as far as I know.
WHAT happened before?
 

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You make some great points. The price on the Mac Pro is laughable (at least towards the lower end models). You could build an amazing AMD build for half the price.

To put it bluntly, I think Apple just simply isn't that motivated by the desktop space because laptops are where it makes most money. They have been very slow to update all desktop models over the past decade, and it probably won't change much, despite the odd hint of optimism recently (Mac mini, Mac Pro etc.) They seem to be botched efforts imo, as you've highlighted.

It's a great shame, because people like us are only interested in desktops, and that leaves you with zero chance when it comes to Macs.

If Tim Cook Apple isn’t motivated by the desktop space then why bother doing research and spend money to produce machines like the Mac Pro if the low end models are underpowered? Why not just release one model that is worth the money and effort and provides a good value for the consumers?

Or why not just drop the whole desktop computers completely if Apple thinks it is only a small percentage of their profit? This behavior is just so frustrating. Even with the iMacs we see this disappointing route of putting out an underpowered low end model and basically pushing you to buy the higher end. I just don’t get it.
 
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sublunar

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Will a redesigned iMac arrive in 2020?

I drop in on this thread from time to time, which is unusual, in that I generally find little point in reading prediction threads. But I was considering a new iMac, before I purchased a new Mini, so I looked here for any late-breaking news on the subject.

And I have to say, it's strangely fascinating to see the level of apparent bitterness of some posters.

Really - of what benefit is posting on, and on, and on.... about something that is evidently so abhorrent? If one finds Apple so lacking, why continue to participate in an Apple centric forum?

Unless, of course, there is some strange delight taken in provoking others. Which could be described as trolling. Or simply acting like a dick.

Whatever the reason, living in such a state of mind must be a grim, miserable existence.

Matz, this thread is considerably less fun than the long running and infamous Mac mini one. Definitely needs a bit more fun, after all, the 2020 iMac is coming soon... :)
 
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gusping

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Matz, this thread is considerably less fun than the long running and infamous Mac mini one. Definitely needs a bit more fun, after all, the 2020 iMac is coming soon... :)
Coming soon, but will it be any good? That is the question.

I have 1 million reasons to be concerned (rubbish cooling continues, more awful GPUs, no redesign, etc...), but very few to be positive.
 
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