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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%

  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%

  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%

  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%

  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%

  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%
  • Total voters
    822
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I see that the receiving date for a purchased 27” iMac at the Apple store is June 10th to June 18th. B&H Photo shows all but one of the 27” iMacs as special orders with 2 to 4 week availability and that other one is a 7 to 14 day wait to be in stock. Not sure what that means.
 
ArmouredBear said:
If you don't think that a cool new redesign that would get a load of mainstream press attention won't matter to the average punter, you're also in another world.
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The media is not reality. I realised this on a deep emotional level when the press was ******** all over "evil male gamers" when Fifa first introduced women's soccer and "everyone" was so mad about that. Back than i looked at a comments war of maybe 10.000 comments, not all of them fighting, not all of them on the site of hate... and than it hit me, this game is one of the biggest selling games consistently each year and the angry hateful gamers represented in all the media are like 0,00000001% of the player base. - "Everyone" also hates Ultimate Team and wants it's loot box monetisation disalowed, yet still Fifa generates over a billion with that game mode seeing increases of 40% this/last year. Over a billion generated with a game mode that is getting bad reviews.

Media is not reality.

Media is putting stuff down that gets clicks from the few that care at this second, in a way were they hopefully return to view some more next month and next year. Have you ever noticed that pretty much every tech reviewer on youtube gives exactly the same review on product x?
I can already script out the exact review of the new iMac "OMG rellzys Apple? Same 720p webcam? Lol Fusiondrive! OMG so taim 4 redisinnn! But tis is reelz good value actually compared to last year and iMac pro! Plz invite me to events Apple!!!" stretched to 15 Minutes. It's so fake and predictable, it's hard to take serious sometimes even if you end up looking at them to find some nuggets to make a somewhat informed decision. But essentially all they do is give you something to talk about, something to make you feel ok to stick with your old machine and something to make you happy with your new machine if you got one. It's all just User retention for the Chanel, blog, magazine. Thats how they build and maintain an audience.
 
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Yes - the 15" MacBook Pro was replaced with a larger 16" model with smaller bezels while the 13" remained unchanged (though rumored to eventually be replaced with a 14" model with smaller bezels due in 2021).

(EDIT)So one of three things could be happening:

  1. ~24" 4K iMac model ships with new industrial design (smaller bezels / smaller chin) with the 27" 5K model staying unchanged, but the 27" iMac Pro gets a new industrial design later in 2020 which will carry over to the 27" 5K model in 2021.
  2. The ~24" 4K iMac ships with a new industrial design and the 27" 5K iMac adopts the same with it's mid-2020 refresh. The Late 2020 iMac Pro would then also adopt this new industrial design along with miniLED.
  3. ~24" 4K model adopts the same industrial design as the 21.5" 4K and 27" 5K / iMac Pro.
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Which model is the best seller for Apple? I bet it is the 27 inch iMac. Strange that it would get the least love if it is the 27 inch model is the best seller. Also, if iMac Pro is mostly for work, who in their right mind bothers about bezel size in a work computer?

However I think a slim 23-24 inch screen driven by low power components (no HDD) and an appealing price point would sell really well for home/office use. It all depends how many models Apple want in the lineup later. I could see a 24 inch office/home iMac taking over both the 21.5 and and low end 27 inch configs (=the prebuilt iMac) while the iMP will be for the heavy lifters.

My gut feeling is that this is a bad move as essentially all those that BTO their 27 inch are pushed to the pricier iMac Pro. The latter is nice, but cost 30% more than an iMac and uses workstation class components which are of no use for the people using BTO 27 (= high end iMac).

Which computer that get the first design change is up in the air. A new 23-24 inch is obvious but between the iMac Pro and iMac27 is less sure.
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fastlanephil said:
I see that the receiving date for a purchased 27” iMac at the Apple store is June 10th to June 18th. B&H Photo shows all but one of the 27” iMacs as special orders with 2 to 4 week availability and that other one is a 7 to 14 day wait to be in stock. Not sure what that means.
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It either shows that a critical component is in limited supply or a refresh with or without a redesign is here. We hope for the latter of course. I think the 65W Comet lake chips have not been released yet (tomorrow?) and these are one of the CPU options in the new lineup. Would not do to release a refresh unless all CPU options were available.
 
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I’m really interested to see how much performance the 65W CPUs sacrifice relative to the 125W parts, and how much less power they use. The performance per watt differences will be enlightening.
If they are a lot more efficient, and only give away a small percentage points in peak performance, they may make sense for iMacs. If a 10900 performs close to a 10900K, and is a decent step up on the current 9900K while running cooler and quieter, what’s not to like? That is a big if though. I look forward to seeing some testing.
 
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I’m really interested to see how much performance the 65W CPUs sacrifice relative to the 125W parts, and how much less power they use. The performance per watt differences will be enlightening.
If they are a lot more efficient, and only give away a small percentage points in peak performance, they may make sense for iMacs. If a 10900 performs close to a 10900K, and is a decent step up on the current 9900K while running cooler and quieter, what’s not to like? That is a big if though. I look forward to seeing some testing.
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Efficacy and noise are also important parameter today. It will be interesting to see such comparisons. It is not obvious that 10900K is optimal if other parameters than raw speed are taking into account. 10900K will be fastest of course but at what cost and how much faster?I cannot find the 10900 on sale anywhere.

Base clock of 10900K is 32% faster than 10900. Turbo all cores only 6% difference and Max boost 2% difference. It is nearly impossible to say according to listed values. I guess long video exports and rendering/raytracing with benefit from higher base clock. For many other usages, there will be little real world difference. If had to chose between a 10-15% slower machine and noise, I would chose silence. At home, I have no AC that can drown the noise from the computer.

Soon we get the heavy criticism from the people that only has speed as important parameter.
 
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Efficacy and noise are also important parameter today. It will be interesting to see such comparisons. It is not obvious that 10900K is optimal if other parameters than raw speed are taking into account. 10900K will be fastest of course but at what cost and how much faster?

Base clock of 10900K is 32% faster than 10900. Turbo all cores only 6% difference and Max boost 2% difference. It is nearly impossible to say according to listed values. I guess long video exports and rendering/raytracing with benefit from higher base clock. For many other usages, there will be little real world difference. If had to chose between a 10-15% slower machine and noise, I would chose silence. At home, I have no AC that can drown the noise from the computer.

Soon we get the heavy criticism from the people that only has speed as important parameter.
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Yeah, you poked that particular wasp nest :p




A lot of factors point towards a light refresh for the 2020 iMac.

a. It was 'ready to ship' in March like the Mac mini but didn't get released - the Mac mini (which got storage doubled for no extra was such a light refresh it's not even officially a 2020 mini). This is obviously before the published launch date of Comet Lake which would struggle in the existing iMac enclosure.

b. Market conditions may have dictated a change of plan for the iMac. We don't know if Corona Virus influenced the forward planning but Apple may see sales fall this year.

c. Comet Lake is a multithreaded workload boost but runs hot when pushed. It's feasible that Apple could use the 27" iMac Pro cooling system but realistically where does that leave the 21.5" model? There's a 23" panel coming that is purportedly cheaper but we don't know where it fits into the Apple lineup - or if it's even intended for an Intel Mac.

d. Remember that Comet Lake is two generations after the majority of the 8th generation Coffee Lake CPUs in the current iMac - and given that certain Kaby Lake 7th generation desktop CPUs have been discontinued you wonder if the Coffee Lake desktop CPUs could be on the way out. Apple could catch up for 2020 with slot-in CPUs for the 9th generation Coffee Lake refresh CPUs which generally allow higher turbos - Apple currently use some CFL-R SKUs in the existing top SKU 27" iMac. Apple could therefore also add the i7-9700 to the lineup without too much extra engineering work if they felt that more than a storage bump would do.

e. 2021 may bring mini LED backlight which suggests a case redesign will be required to make enclosures thicker for display cooling fans. Why bring it in a year early? Rocket Lake in 2021 would bring PCIe 4.0 and Thunderbolt 4 which is a tangible improvement for Apple. The main advantage of this to Apple is faster SSD performance due to increased SSD bandwidth PCIe x4 lanes would be double the speed - allowing reads of 6500Mb/s and write of 5000Mb/s if you believe the Samsung 980Pro figures). It would also allow a total of 20 PCIe lanes which would in theory allow a more fully featured Mac with dGPU, 4 Thunderbolt ports, and 10 Gigabit ethernet.
 
DrRadon said:
The media is not reality. I realised this on a deep emotional level when the press was ******** all over "evil male gamers" when Fifa first introduced women's soccer and "everyone" was so mad about that. Back than i looked at a comments war of maybe 10.000 comments, not all of them fighting, not all of them on the site of hate... and than it hit me, this game is one of the biggest selling games consistently each year and the angry hateful gamers represented in all the media are like 0,00000001% of the player base. - "Everyone" also hates Ultimate Team and wants it's loot box monetisation disalowed, yet still Fifa generates over a billion with that game mode seeing increases of 40% this/last year. Over a billion generated with a game mode that is getting bad reviews.

Media is not reality.

Media is putting stuff down that gets clicks from the few that care at this second, in a way were they hopefully return to view some more next month and next year. Have you ever noticed that pretty much every tech reviewer on youtube gives exactly the same review on product x?
I can already script out the exact review of the new iMac "OMG rellzys Apple? Same 720p webcam? Lol Fusiondrive! OMG so taim 4 redisinnn! But tis is reelz good value actually compared to last year and iMac pro! Plz invite me to events Apple!!!" stretched to 15 Minutes. It's so fake and predictable, it's hard to take serious sometimes even if you end up looking at them to find some nuggets to make a somewhat informed decision. But essentially all they do is give you something to talk about, something to make you feel ok to stick with your old machine and something to make you happy with your new machine if you got one. It's all just User retention for the Chanel, blog, magazine. Thats how they build and maintain an audience.
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This is spot on.
 
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krell100 said:
Does that mean he knows something or that he wants a new one?
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I think everyone has given up on the possibility of a redesign and so this leads us to a pre-WWDC release that will simply be an improvement on some of the internal hardware. And this should happen in the next days.
 
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krell100 said:
Does that mean he knows something or that he wants a new one?
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I'd say he left room for interpretation on purpose :) However, seeing as he works for a big outlet and tweeted about the iMac pretty much out of the blue without posing a question or trying to start a discussion I do believe (read: hope) this could be a hint at an imminent release.
 
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On the topic of being skeptical; While I won't lose hope (won't hold my breath either) and hope we get a release soon, what will everyone do if they do not release a new iMac until WWDC? I'm in somewhat desperate need of a desktop Mac and don't think I'll be able to hold out until 2021. Worst case scenario for me would be to buy a 2019 after WWDC and then have Apple release a small/big refresh in the fall.
 
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Omg, I went away for 2 days and again 5 pages of: bezels, design, bezels, design, bezels, design ... :eek:

Why is everyone silent about the more important: about the leak of new top GPU RX 5950 XT (probably XTA/XLA) and other options on the new architecture including for Mac?
 

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