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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
    822
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CWallace

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This may be a stupid question but wouldn't Apple make some kind of announcement to address these component shortages due to the coronavirus thing? I mean, these are some long delays you would think apple would let the buyers know why is this happening.

Depends on what component(s) are reporting a shortage and how soon the shortage will be lifted (see below on CPUs).


It seems the "new" iMac will be a spec-bump only.
Then I wonder why it's not been announced yet... and then I remember that almost every new Mac computer iteration comes after an interminable awaiting.

Remember that Intel usually has a slow production ramp of new products, even when they are on (effectively) the same process. With Comet Lake S desktop CPUs just being announced, it could be Intel is still trying to fill the channel to their retail customers and OEMs. So it could very well be Apple has been waiting on Intel - first for the announcement embargo on CL-S CPUs to lift (which just happened) and now for actual product to arrive in their factories so they can complete assembly.

This could explain the "ready to ship" rumors - Apple could have the machines ready for final assembly, they are just waiting for the CPUs to arrive in sufficient quantity from Intel. Apple will not want to announce a new iMac model (the 24 inch) and then have people wait weeks or more for shipment because Intel is still trying to get their fabs up to speed.


Who is this leaker, they literally have 1020 followers. If the 1080p camera upgrade is a real leak, then I would actually expect a redesign.

The iMac Pro has had a 1080p camera since launch and it has the same forward chassis design as the iMac 5K so it should be a direct replacement for the existing 720p unit.
 

gusping

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I'm so desperate that even if Apple gives us only a spec bump with T2 chip I'm gonna buy it. It doesn't look "that" bad after all.
Why is T2 so important to you? Is it just T2 = SSD?
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Well, they get review units weeks in advance so maybe the Verge has been reviewing it. :)
Surely they couldn’t even comment on it in a jokey way like that. I don’t think Apple would be pleased?
 

askunk

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1080p camera could also mean the adoption of the iMP architecture. Which, btw, shows a BT 5.0 in the tech specs... was it so since the beginning? I don't understand why the iMac got the 4.2 nearly one and a half years later...
 
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gusping

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T2 is for security, data I/O, video transcoding, sound, and much more. It offloads a lots of workloads off the CPU. It's a real coprocessor. And allows to store securely your personal informations. Every models in the line up has it. iMac must have it this year.
i know it does loads of things, i have just never heard someone want a new Mac for the T2 chip alone. Can’t say i share the enthusias. #kernalpanicsfordays. T2 and Catalina is a deadly mix on my Mac mini, let me tell you.
 

CWallace

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1080p camera could also mean the adoption of the iMP architecture. Which, btw, shows a BT 5.0 in the tech specs... was it so since the beginning? I don't understand why the iMac got the 4.2 nearly one and a half years later...

Yes the iMac Pro had Bluetooth 5.0 from launch. It is a different OEM (USI) than what Apple uses in the "standard" iMac (Broadcom) so I am guessing Apple was able to implement BT 5 with the iMac Pro but is still on BT 4.x for the "standard" iMac as that chip is not yet to BT 5 (at least in the form factor the iMac systemboard uses - I have heard that this chip is now soldered whereas at first it was a separate card).
 
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DrRadon

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So Special Event would usually start in 12 Minutes. I suppose apple could flip the switch at any point if they desire to do it today but for the fun of it ill just say it happens in what now are 11 Minutes or i am back to next Wednesday. :D
 

Azrael9

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Specs and value are two completely different things. Specs are objective while value is subjective. I think it is sound that more and more people can focus on value rather than specs. However value is quite different for different people.

To be frank, most people does not know what specs their computer has. The only visible "spec" that everyone is interested in is the size of storage and perhaps SSD vs HDD. Often choices are made by higher level differentiators like is Mac or PC, laptop or desktop, large and small screens, ugly or beautiful, cheap and expensive.

A vanishing few like us here keep track of processors, GHz, version of thunderbolt, screen tech, ECC RAM, motherboards version, AMD, Intel, ARM, RDNA1&2 and chose the computer based on that.

Even among us here we cannot agree on the optimal computer, which is totally fine because we have different values. The only think we almost agree on that is that a redesigned iMac should be released tomorrow or even better two weeks ago.

They can.

But custom
I'm so desperate that even if Apple gives us only a spec bump with T2 chip I'm gonna buy it. It doesn't look "that" bad after all.

The 2019 was a 'lazy' update...but it wasn't 'bad'. It's an 'ok' computer. It wasn't pushing the frontier of refinement or design or bringing the iMac Pro innovations to the masses.

I almost bought the £3560 iMac 8 core with Vega 48. But I balked at having to pay for all the extras, ram, ssd, gpu (which was the most egregious to me.) To me, if the iMac Pro had been about that price 'then' I may have gone for it.

I just get irked that on a mostly £2k computer, Apple are offering a 580. It's a low end part. It's poor value on a machine costing that much. If they'd offer the Vega as standard (it's not included in any of the tiers... you have to BTO everything at every pricing tier...) I'd have gone for it.

So, I'm of the opinion...if they give us the update we should have had last year (specs wise...) then I'll probably buy, design or not. I'm not that fussed about the T2 chip.

But we should be having a design revision by now. But it seems like we're going to have to wait another year for that. *shakes head.

It doesn't look 'bad.' But it's like saying customers don't care about these things (and we do). We know when stuff gets old, on cars, clothes and computers.

And iMac only has itself to blame. It introduced the iMac buying public to?

Computer fashion. :p

Apple and the iMac can't have it both ways.

Azrael.
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On the topic of being skeptical; While I won't lose hope (won't hold my breath either) and hope we get a release soon, what will everyone do if they do not release a new iMac until WWDC? I'm in somewhat desperate need of a desktop Mac and don't think I'll be able to hold out until 2021. Worst case scenario for me would be to buy a 2019 after WWDC and then have Apple release a small/big refresh in the fall.

There's no way I can hold out until the next year.

The good thing about waiting for the early June or WWDC update is that this 'substantial' spec boost will bring more value to the dated iMac line.

That has two knock on effects.

Older models will take the price beating, both iMac and iMac Pro.

The newer model will offer more spec value for the price (unless Apple raise prices :p )

So the Mac customer will have more value propositions.

Azrael.
 
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DrRadon

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I almost bought the £3560 iMac 8 core with Vega 48. But I balked at having to pay for all the extras, ram, ssd, gpu (which was the most egregious to me.) To me, if the iMac Pro had been about that price 'then' I may have gone for it.

You can try to negotiate. I got an offer on a brand new BTO 2019 27 inch with Vega 48 and i9 including 2TB Ssd (Evo, build in by Apple licensed repair personal straight in the shop of my order) and 32GB ram added to the 8gb included for roughly £3700 (converted from Euro). Thats a solid offer i think, probably people could go cheaper if i pushed harder.
 

Azrael9

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i know it does loads of things, i have just never heard someone want a new Mac for the T2 chip alone. Can’t say i share the enthusias. #kernalpanicsfordays. T2 and Catalina is a deadly mix on my Mac mini, let me tell you.

Yeah, can't say I'm that fussed about the T2 chip.

Azrael.
 

NewUsername

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So Special Event would usually start in 12 Minutes. I suppose apple could flip the switch at any point if they desire to do it today but for the fun of it ill just say it happens in what now are 11 Minutes or i am back to next Wednesday. :D

Spec updates are usually very early in the morning, Cupertino time. The 2019 update news article on MacRumors was posted at 5.30 AM Cupertino time.

Apart from that, updates are almost always on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday. So we probably won't see an update anymore this week.

Sometimes they do update later in the day or on Thursdays though, but it doesn't happen very often.
 

xgman

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i know it does loads of things, i have just never heard someone want a new Mac for the T2 chip alone. Can’t say i share the enthusias. #kernalpanicsfordays. T2 and Catalina is a deadly mix on my Mac mini, let me tell you.

yup, I'd pay extra NOt to have it on my imac pro. Nothing but trouble even when most T2 stuff turned off.
 
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DrRadon

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Spec updates are usually very early in the morning, Cupertino time. The 2019 update news article on MacRumors was posted at 5.30 AM Cupertino time.

Apart from that, updates are almost always on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday. So we probably won't see an update anymore this week.

Sometimes they do update later in the day or on Thursdays though, but it doesn't happen very often.

Thanks for the heads up. So i am back to my initial guess of next Wednesday.
 

Azrael9

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You can try to negotiate. I got an offer on a brand new BTO 2019 27 inch with Vega 48 and i9 including 2TB Ssd (Evo, build in by Apple licensed repair personal straight in the shop of my order) and 32GB ram added to the 8gb included for roughly £3700 (converted from Euro). Thats a solid offer i think, probably people could go cheaper if i pushed harder.

People can certainly negotiate, that's a good idea. ;)

I do feel, in that context, that people will be in a stronger position to negotiate discounts on the iMac and iMac Pro after the new models break cover.

Going by the discounts seen on the iMac Pro to around £3500-ish...who knows if that might come down after the new releases to a more...thought inducing £3k (or even less...)

Capitalism is just gloried proxy bartering after all. You don't 'have' to buy the stated price. No harm asking for a discount. It's your money. And you probably need your money more than Apple does. :)

There are options in the retail channel other than Apple, refurb' and the 2nd hand market via eBuy etc.

Azrael.
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yup, I'd pay extra NOt to have it on my imac pro. Nothing but trouble even when most T2 stuff turned off.

Yes. I heard that. I'm curious about Apple's true motivation for including it.

Azrael.
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Thanks for the heads up. So i am back to my initial guess of next Wednesday.

It's a decent guess. I hope you're correct. But if you're wrong and it's a design boost? I'll be very happy. More so.

I think your 'guess' is about the latest it can drop before WWDC. Then it surely has ? to be WWDC. And that suggests...design naughtiness.

Azrael.
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T2 is for security, data I/O, video transcoding, sound, and much more. It offloads a lots of workloads off the CPU. It's a real coprocessor. And allows to store securely your personal informations. Every models in the line up has it. iMac must have it this year.
Perhaps it's the 1st step towards the Mac being assimilated by the iOS borg.

Azrael.
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Depends on what component(s) are reporting a shortage and how soon the shortage will be lifted (see below on CPUs).

Remember that Intel usually has a slow production ramp of new products, even when they are on (effectively) the same process. With Comet Lake S desktop CPUs just being announced, it could be Intel is still trying to fill the channel to their retail customers and OEMs. So it could very well be Apple has been waiting on Intel - first for the announcement embargo on CL-S CPUs to lift (which just happened) and now for actual product to arrive in their factories so they can complete assembly.

This could explain the "ready to ship" rumors - Apple could have the machines ready for final assembly, they are just waiting for the CPUs to arrive in sufficient quantity from Intel. Apple will not want to announce a new iMac model (the 24 inch) and then have people wait weeks or more for shipment because Intel is still trying to get their fabs up to speed.

That's common sense and fair comment. It could explain alot.

Azrael.
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Thanks for the heads up. So i am back to my initial guess of next Wednesday.
Stick to your guns. I think it's a good call from the hints and minor leaks we're hearing.

Azrael.
 
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CWallace

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I'm curious about Apple's true motivation for including (the T-Series).

System security and integrity protection would be the biggest reason, I would think. Reading all the recent issues with PC game security software (Valorent, DOOM, etc.) being able to protect the OS from Ring 0 / At Boot Exploits would be a benefit.

Secondary is performance improvements (h.265 encode/decode, SSD RAID, etc.).
 
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Moonjumper

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Is the usual time for apple to drop new products not two to three hours away? I feel certain with keynote they usually were starting at 7pm german time and now its 5:15pm. Don't have the exact hour on when SE, MBP13inch and all the rest dropped during covid.
Asides that next week is still a strong guess. Might as well be the verge receiving their one week early review copy... even if it would be very odd for them to hint that since apple is fairly obsessive about their NDAs.

Keynotes are set for working hours in USA, but releases not in a keynote are much earlier in the day. Usually in the morning here in Europe.
 

baldpotato

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the disappointment when you‘re scrolling down....
 

CWallace

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the disappointment when you‘re scrolling down....

Ironically(?), someone posted images of those purported new straps a couple weeks back in the "All Apple Watch Bands" thread so we've known about and talked about them for some time now on this site. :)
 
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cudifying

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Someone posted images of those purported new straps a couple weeks back in the "All Apple Watch Bands" thread so we've known about and talked about them for some time now. :)

Pretty sure what he implied was: Headline possibly teases images of a redesigned iMac

Then after scrolling down it‘s nothing but Apple Watch bands
 
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