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Thermals have always been a problem for the more recent iMac models. Apple Silicon changes that to some extent, but the most powerful chips still require active cooling. The iMac form factor could work with an M2 Max chip, since that chip itself can work in a MBP's thermal profile, but Ultra requires heavier duty cooling when cranked up to full capacity, as evidenced by its large heat sink and fan assembly in the Studio. If a desktop can't handle the Ultra why bother calling it a Pro model?
 
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After the introduction of the Mac Studio and Studio Display in Apple's product lineup, and with mixed signs of a larger Apple silicon iMac on its product roadmap, will there ever be another iMac Pro?

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Five years ago this week Apple launched the iMac Pro – presented at the time as "the most powerful Mac ever made". In March 2021, Apple announced that it was discontinuing the iMac Pro. By that time, the machine had been surpassed by the 2019 Mac Pro, a significant final update for the 27-inch iMac, and the first Apple Silicon Macs. In April 2021, Apple introduced the 24-inch iMac as its first all-in-one desktop Mac with an Apple silicon chip. Apple discontinued the Intel-based 27-inch iMac in March 2022, leaving the junior iMac with an entry-level chip as the only all-in-one in Apple's lineup.

Display Supply Chain Consultants analyst Ross Young has said since 2021 that Apple is working on an iMac with a 27-inch mini-LED display with ProMotion, but rumors about this device have faded since the launch of the Mac Studio and Studio Display in March this year. When Apple introduced these two new machines, it lauded their "modularity" and collective positioning between the iMac and the Mac Pro. As such, the location of the Mac Studio in Apple's product lineup aroused suspicion that there was simply no place for a "Pro" iMac anymore. Other reports suggested that Apple had no plans to release an new iMac Pro or an iMac with a larger display anytime soon.

Nevertheless, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo believes that a new iMac Pro model will launch in 2023 alongside a new Mac Pro – a rumor seemingly supported by Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. Earlier this year, Gurman said that Apple was continuing work on a high-end iMac model:Beyond a rumor from Young explaining that the iMac Pro will have fewer mini-LED zones than the iPad Pro or MacBook Pro, little else is known about what it could feature. It seems likely that a larger, ~27-inch mini-LED display with ProMotion, M3 Pro and M3 Max chip options, and a slew of ports brought over from the MacBook Pro are on the cards for the iMac Pro based on what we are aware of at the current time.

With Young, Kuo, and Gurman all coalescing around the idea of a new high-end iMac, likely set to launch next year, it seems that the chances of Apple releasing a new iMac Pro are still relatively high, regardless of the presence of the Mac Studio and Studio Display.

Article Link: Will There Really Be Another iMac Pro?
At this point Apple will only create this product if it can draw further blood from the stone. They’ll market it to death, like the ridiculous ‘Dynamic Island’. And they won’t make a 27” version that isn’t marketed as Pro, because it will cost less. Instead the entry level Pro will require an upgrade from the already ridiculously expensive base model to actually be a pro machine. Meanwhile the 24” will go years without updates and never see a 27” version. Thanks Tim!
 
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Thermals have always been a problem for the more recent iMac models. Apple Silicon changes that to some extent, but the most powerful chips still require active cooling. The iMac form factor could work with an M2 Max chip, since that chip itself can work in a MBP's thermal profile, but Ultra requires heavier duty cooling when cranked up to full capacity, as evidenced by its large heat sink and fan assembly in the Studio. If a desktop can't handle the Ultra why bother calling it a Pro model?
From a previous post I authored:

The term pro was just a naming convention change from the time of PPC. They used to be called PowerBook and PowerMac. When Intel models returned they renamed the models to be MacBook Pro and Mac Pro. It's not like they were meant for power users later pro's.

Its just a naming convention to symbolize that they are capable, not exclusive to a particular usage. But lately we gotten it into our heads that more pricy Apple computers are only meant for Pro's like your comment. They can be for anyone that wants one. Its also means that this naming a 27" iMac successor as a iMac Pro is meaningless and means nothing.
 
Bring on the iMac 27” PRO. Without doubt demand will be great. Not everyone has use for a Mac Studio or a 24” iMac The 27” iMac Pro will be the sweet spot
 
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Pretty sure no. I don’t remember if Apple stated it explicitly, but when the iMac Pro came out, it was after Apple apologized for the trash can Mac Pro and announced a resigned Mac Pro was coming, so it was my understanding the iMac Pro was just a quick way to hold professionals over until the new Mac Pro arrived. So I thought the mentality was always that it was a one and done, which was supported by the fact that it was never updated in the 4 years it was sold (which is an eternity to not update in tech years), and then discontinued once the non-pro iMac transitioned to Apple Silicon. Also, I would think most professionals value modularity (separate computer and monitor) over the better presentation of an all-in-one. So an iMac Pro would be a small niche. (Again, at the time of the iMac Pro’s release, it wasn’t a small niche, because professionals had no other good options.)

I do imagine an M Pro chip making its way into the 24” iMac, or possibly a bigger screen version, and Apple could brand that as an “iMac Pro”, but it would only be in name. Since the M Pro chip is near the lower end of the AS performance spectrum, it wouldn’t be an iMac Pro in same sense as the original.

As far as Apple making a bigger non-pro iMac (any time soon), I’d say I’m 40/60. The 24” AS iMac size is exactly in between the Intel 21” and 27” that it essentially replaced, and it’s been over a year with no bigger model added. This suggests that the 24” will be the only size for awhile. But it’s also possible Apple wanted to bump up the sizes of both the small and large iMacs, and the larger iMac has just not been released yet for whatever reason. Or it’s possible that Apple will simply change their minds.
 
A 27” iMac has always been a large screen all-in-one with a more capable Intel CPU and discrete GPU.
Yeah, and you needed the extra space for cooling, but with Apple Silicon not using discrete GPU or really needing the cooling room (especially with 3nm coming by the time this is out), it's just an all-in-one for its own sake.
 
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Thermals have always been a problem for the more recent iMac models. Apple Silicon changes that to some extent, but the most powerful chips still require active cooling.
They require it in a laptop sff desktop, but a 27" should be fine with just a big heatpipe layout, especially as they would move to smaller lithography by the time they release this.
 
Yeah, and you needed the extra space for cooling, but with Apple Silicon not using discrete GPU or really needing the cooling room (especially with 3nm coming by the time this is out), it's just an all-in-one for its own sake.
The 24" heat dissipation does use the back of the iMac metal frame to bleed heat in addition to the two heat exhaust ports under the chin. It's part of the reason why it's such a superior thermal design compared to the intel 27" iMac design that exhausted air from a small opening in the rear that suffered from the stand being in the way. :)

The 27" iMac was so much better heating a room too! :D
 
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While that is true and it was even considered good value at launch at some time [the XDR] price has to come down either on the product or a followup like a big iMac with that screen.

Not really. It isn't a mass-produced product; it is a premium product targeting a genuinely professional market.

There is no efficiency of scale. They are likely selling just enough to justify not cancelling the line.

If there's cost savings, it will be from a new screen, likely with newer technology, with apples-to-oranges spec comparisons targeting a non reference market segment.

The real issue is that Apple f##ed themselves into a corner with the Studio display which should have been $800 even with "Apple tax" as the can't now release an iMac with that screen (or even a better one) at a reasonable price without looking stupid one way or the other.

$800 would have been a stellar deal compared to other similar displays in that market segment.
 
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The chin isn't there for esthetic reasons, it's there so the hottest parts of the computer don't roast the LCD like they would if they were right behind the screen.
I get it, but that's a new constraint. no one cares how thin it is, old imac thickness (or impressive bowl shape) thickness was perfect.
 
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As you have decided to quote me the same thing again, I will reply in another way where hopefully you will get my point. Many do buy for simplicity and mobility. But there are also a significant number who bought a laptop as a desktop replacement, and the laptop stays in the same place for almost it's entire life. Mobility is not an issue.

A computer is just a tool for many people. The simplest options are what they often choose. Walking away with a single box that they know will not have any issues interacting with any other piece of kit is the simplest option. That option often has good mobility, but that is not why they bought it, and is not something they make use of. An iMac is usually a better desktop option than a laptop.
My bad. I got distracted and didn’t realize I had actually posted the first time—I wasn’t trying to emphasize that much. Those are good points. I’m a bit removed from the price-performance ratio since all my Macs have been secondhand but I can see how if you’re buying new and sure you won’t need the mobility it’d make more sense to allocate the funds that’d be designated to the built-in display and/or battery towards other specs.

Also: The all-in-one form factor is sleek but I think if it’s significantly more expensive than a headless desktop plus external display then I don’t think the sleekness is worth it. Someone could’ve already bought a nice display that doesn’t need to be replaced anywhere near as soon as the computer it’s paired with.
 
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Do people seriously think Apple will give up the Pro designation on iMac?

It's a money printing name.
I suppose it depends on if they sold enough of them to make it worthwhile. Apple at this point should know if there is a market.
 
Unless you work for Apple, sorry, I have no reason to believe you’re right — or wrong. I an wait until ~ April to find our.
Bloomberg predicts spring event to be Tuesday March 7th or 14th for 2023.

Per Macworld, last 10 years of spring events.
  • 2022: Tuesday, March 8 (virtual event)
  • 2021: Tuesday, April 20 (virtual event)
  • 2020: No spring event due to COVID-19 lockdown, but iPhone SE launched on April 24
  • 2019: Monday, March 25
  • 2018: Tuesday, March 27
  • 2017: No spring event
  • 2016: Monday, March 21
  • 2015: Monday, March 9
  • 2014: No spring event
  • 2013: No spring event
 
I do imagine an M Pro chip making its way into the 24” iMac, or possibly a bigger screen version, and Apple could brand that as an “iMac Pro”, but it would only be in name. Since the M Pro chip is near the lower end of the AS performance spectrum, it wouldn’t be an iMac Pro in same sense as the original.
Not picking on you @subjonas but this post is emblematic of both what probably a majority of both sides of the iMac Pro argument can agree with and what, I believe, a lot of people are possibly missing. Based upon numerous reliable sources, Apple is working on a larger AS iMac. Seems reasonable to guess that it'll sport an M2/M3 with Pro and Max configurations. I'd argue that it's more likely than not that it will be branded an iMac Pro. It doesn't really matter if it fits in the same category as the Intel iMac Pro in the old lineup, because it'll blow away both of the old 27" models. Whether such a computer would actually be a "Pro" machine, is a silly question. Is a AS MacBook Pro not a "Pro" machine? Seems like they're a favorite of many a "Pro"fessional software developer, and, after all the larger iMac has always been pretty much a reconfigured MacBook Pro in an all-in-one package. Not everyone digs that form factor, but a lot of people have, in fact Apple is kind of famously synonymous with all-in-ones. Seems pretty laughable that some 🧙‍♂️missed that. Anyway, it's good to have choices, and I think it'd be a huge shame if Apple permanently shelves their most popular and iconic iMac configuration.
 
Will Apple consumers really overpay again?
The 27" iMac from which the iMac Pro was based was an incredible value even today. $2.5K for, at the time, a mid-powered Mac with a screen that was unmatched at such a price. If Apple makes another 27" iMac, it'll be called a Pro, because it will be in the all-in-one class. Probably be a bit more than $2.5k though.
 
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