Will there still be new iPads in October?

[0989383]

For those who love iOS 11 and wanting to buy an iPad, but not being so impressed with the Pencil and think 'yeah that 2017 iPad looks good!'..

How can we be sure they don't pull an iPad 3 on us and supersede it quickly in October with a newer shinier model and give the current iPad 2017 a short support lifecycle and lacklustre performance early such as in iOS 12..

Wouldn't mind buying one myself with accessories for the price of the Pro.

Anyone else wondering the same? What reassurance do we have

 

[spook]

I very much doubt it.

 

[JPack]

No iPad updates in October.

The iPad (2017) is intended as a low-cost, gateway product into the iPad Pro.

It's an inexpensive model to attract the ever increasing number of phablet owners. If Apple updates the iPad with A10 or more RAM, it will increase the risk of cannibalization. Right now, there's a clear feature and performance distinction between iPad and iPad Pro.

 

[TurboPGT!]

What reassurance do we have

All forms of common sense on the planet

 

[The Game 161]

Why on earth would there be? This years iPads were just announced.

 

[007p]

At best the mini could get the A9 chip but I highly doubt it.

 

[0989383]

That's what I want to hear. That they won't release another this year.

But in March 2012: iPad 3rd generation.
October 2012: iPad 4th generation.

Reflected upon as the worst two iPads made :-(

 

[JPack]

That's what I want to hear. That they won't release another this year.

But in March 2012: iPad 3rd generation.
October 2012: iPad 4th generation.

Reflected upon as the worst two iPads made :-(

That was during "peak iPad" when iPad was still a new product.

Right now, Apple is narrowing their product stack with only three products: 9.7", 10.5" and 12.9".

 

[0989383]

That was during "peak iPad" when iPad was still a new product.

Right now, Apple is narrowing their product stack with only three products: 9.7", 10.5" and 12.9".

Excellent point.

I wonder if the next iPad (non Pro) will keep the 9.7" size or go to 10.5" for consistency. Seems the current 2017 model could be their way of just cleaning out the stock of these screens?

 

[yegon]

All forms of common sense on the planet

Winner!

 

[iPadDad]

No chance at all!

 

[Dave245]

No, they have just updated them there won't be new iPads until next year now. With them also updating the Mac's it is very unlikely that Apple will even do an October event, my guess is September for the new iPhone's and Apple Watch and then that's it for this year.

 

[rui no onna]

October 2012: iPad 4th generation.

Reflected upon as the worst two iPads made :-(

Beg to differ. The UI fluidity of the iPad 4 (A6X) + iOS 6 combo was pretty much unmatched until the A9X iPads.

The iPad 4 is what the 3 should've been upon launch but I reckon they needed to play catch up to Android in terms of pixel density hence the early release of retina iPads with a GPU that couldn't keep up with the display.

 

[sracer]

That's what I want to hear. That they won't release another this year.

But in March 2012: iPad 3rd generation.
October 2012: iPad 4th generation.

Reflected upon as the worst two iPads made :-(

Not in my opinion. Relatively speaking, I though the iPad 4 was one of the BEST. Insane battery life (13-14+ hours) and performance.

Others don't agree with me, but I look primarily at RAM as an indicator as to when to buy. I buy at the BEGINNING of an upgraded RAM phase. That allowed me to skip on the iPad 3, iPad Air 1, and iPad Pro 9.7. I own every generation iPad except those and they are still in daily use.

That is what I use to help me to determine WHAT to buy.

As for WHEN...

After the first gen iPad (which I had on preorder on day of announcement), I have a rule to wait 3-5 months after the availability of a new generation iPad. This allows those units manufactured during the run-up to release to be sold and cleared out of the retail channels. That first batch has a higher than average probability of manufacturing issues. During that first batch, issues are identified (most common are recalibrating of equipment) and resolved. Units from later batches, generally speaking have higher build quality.

This is why it is important, IMO, to determine how much RAM is in the 10.5 iPP. If it is 2GB, then according to my guidelines, it is a no-go. I would wait until the 10.5 iPP shipped with 4GB. If it is 3GB, then considering screen resolution in comparison to the 12.9 Pro, that would be a "solid buy". Relatively speaking, it'll have the same RAM "headroom" as the 12.9 Pro and the same longevity. If the 10.5 has 4GB, then it would be a "must buy" as it would have a GREATER headroom than the 12.9 Pro.

Others are free to use them or disagree.... but it has worked personally for me and I'm stickin' with "what works".

Oh, to answer the question: No there will be no new iPads in October. There is a longshot possibility of an update Mini (with the Mini 4 dropping in price in time for the holiday season)

 

[profets]

Not in my opinion. Relatively speaking, I though the iPad 4 was one of the BEST. Insane battery life (13-14+ hours) and performance.

Others don't agree with me, but I look primarily at RAM as an indicator as to when to buy. I buy at the BEGINNING of an upgraded RAM phase. That allowed me to skip on the iPad 3, iPad Air 1, and iPad Pro 9.7. I own every generation iPad except those and they are still in daily use.

That is what I use to help me to determine WHAT to buy.

As for WHEN...

After the first gen iPad (which I had on preorder on day of announcement), I have a rule to wait 3-5 months after the availability of a new generation iPad. This allows those units manufactured during the run-up to release to be sold and cleared out of the retail channels. That first batch has a higher than average probability of manufacturing issues. During that first batch, issues are identified (most common are recalibrating of equipment) and resolved. Units from later batches, generally speaking have higher build quality.

This is why it is important, IMO, to determine how much RAM is in the 10.5 iPP. If it is 2GB, then according to my guidelines, it is a no-go. I would wait until the 10.5 iPP shipped with 4GB. If it is 3GB, then considering screen resolution in comparison to the 12.9 Pro, that would be a "solid buy". Relatively speaking, it'll have the same RAM "headroom" as the 12.9 Pro and the same longevity. If the 10.5 has 4GB, then it would be a "must buy" as it would have a GREATER headroom than the 12.9 Pro.

Others are free to use them or disagree.... but it has worked personally for me and I'm stickin' with "what works".

Oh, to answer the question: No there will be no new iPads in October. There is a longshot possibility of an update Mini (with the Mini 4 dropping in price in time for the holiday season)

Solid points. But I have to say, those are the ONLY iPads I’ve owned LOL. iPad 3, iPad Air and iPad Pro 9.7.

The iPad 3rd gen definitely got sluggish quickly, but I was so excited to use a retina screen of that size. I sold it when I got the iPad Air, and now my son has been using the Air still. Runs well on iOS 10. I can’t remember, it must have 1GB of RAM right? I do remember the Air 2 going to 2GB. The iPad 4th gen must have also had 1GB?

 

[JPack]

Excellent point.

I wonder if the next iPad (non Pro) will keep the 9.7" size or go to 10.5" for consistency. Seems the current 2017 model could be their way of just cleaning out the stock of these screens?

Non-Pro will likely remain at 9.7".

1. Apple sells about 10 million iPads each quarter.
2. Gartner ranks Apple, P&G, and Amazon.com as the top 3 in the world in terms of supply chain.
3. Apple doesn't have a few million iPad displays waiting to be cleared out.
4. Apple hires procurement and supply chain management staff to ensure #1-3 happen on a regular basis.

 

[yegon]

iPad 4 was deffo one of the best iPads in terms of longevity and performance/usefulness.

Somebody is confused.

Equally, taking that one, 6 month update as an indicator there's even the slightest chance of iPad updates later this year is the height of stupidity.

 

[0989383]

Not in my opinion. Relatively speaking, I though the iPad 4 was one of the BEST. Insane battery life (13-14+ hours) and performance.

Others don't agree with me, but I look primarily at RAM as an indicator as to when to buy. I buy at the BEGINNING of an upgraded RAM phase. That allowed me to skip on the iPad 3, iPad Air 1, and iPad Pro 9.7. I own every generation iPad except those and they are still in daily use.

That is what I use to help me to determine WHAT to buy.

As for WHEN...

After the first gen iPad (which I had on preorder on day of announcement), I have a rule to wait 3-5 months after the availability of a new generation iPad. This allows those units manufactured during the run-up to release to be sold and cleared out of the retail channels. That first batch has a higher than average probability of manufacturing issues. During that first batch, issues are identified (most common are recalibrating of equipment) and resolved. Units from later batches, generally speaking have higher build quality.

This is why it is important, IMO, to determine how much RAM is in the 10.5 iPP. If it is 2GB, then according to my guidelines, it is a no-go. I would wait until the 10.5 iPP shipped with 4GB. If it is 3GB, then considering screen resolution in comparison to the 12.9 Pro, that would be a "solid buy". Relatively speaking, it'll have the same RAM "headroom" as the 12.9 Pro and the same longevity. If the 10.5 has 4GB, then it would be a "must buy" as it would have a GREATER headroom than the 12.9 Pro.

Others are free to use them or disagree.... but it has worked personally for me and I'm stickin' with "what works".

Oh, to answer the question: No there will be no new iPads in October. There is a longshot possibility of an update Mini (with the Mini 4 dropping in price in time for the holiday season)

You've got it down to a fine science. And I totally think you've essentially came up with a great way to address many people such as myself's concerns about how, when and why to buy new iTech.

ATM I'm leaning more toward the 2017 iPad with the current view to sell my ThinkPad whilst it's worth near new value and store the cash until later in the year because my Air 2 still seems to be pretty capable. At least until iOS 11 drops!

 

[Channan]

Others don't agree with me, but I look primarily at RAM as an indicator as to when to buy. I buy at the BEGINNING of an upgraded RAM phase.

That's very smart if you plan on keeping your iPad as long as possible, but normally not necessary if you upgrade every other year.

Right now, the iPad Air 2 still performs wonderfully, so I wouldn't upgrade to the iPad 10.5 just for more RAM if it has it. However, if it has only 2GB, I would definitely pass.

 

[sracer]

That's very smart if you plan on keeping your iPad as long as possible, but normally not necessary if you upgrade every other year.

Right now, the iPad Air 2 still performs wonderfully, so I wouldn't upgrade to the iPad 10.5 just for more RAM if it has it. However, if it has only 2GB, I would definitely pass.

Sorry, I might've been less than clear in my previous post. I didn't mean to imply that I upgrade every time there is a RAM increase. (it just worked out that way because... family food chain. )

But IF I'm looking to upgrade, then only do it at the beginning of a RAM upgrade or with the first device at that RAM capacity.

How that played out over the past few years...

(9.7) The iPad 4 has 1GB RAM. first gen to have that capacity. That's a buy.
(9.7) The Air 1 had 1 GB RAM. not the first gen at that capacity. Don't buy.
(9.7) The Air 2 had 2 GB RAM. first gen to have that capacity. buy.
(12.9) The 12.9 Pro had 4GB RAM. first gen to have that capacity. buy.
(9.7) The 9.7 Pro had 2GB RAM. don't buy.
(9.7) The 2017 9.7 has 2GB RAM. don't buy. (unless looking for the bargain model)
(10.5) The 10.5 Pro has 4GB RAM. first gen to have that capacity buy.

how it plays out now...
I'm sitting with a 12.9 Pro right now. The updated 12.9 no matter what it offered over the 1st gen would be a "no buy" for me. IF I were interested in downsizing, then I would need to decide which size. if 10.5, then the 10.5 Pro is a "buy", but if I was set on going back to 9.7, then it would be the 2017 9.7 (because that's the only new one being sold) if I could get a new Air 2 at a blowout price, I would get that.

Of course there's the factor of 9.7 vs 10.5 vs 12.9 which in my opinion run along concurrent tracks.

 

[Channan]

Sorry, I might've been less than clear in my previous post. I didn't mean to imply that I upgrade every time there is a RAM increase. (it just worked out that way because... family food chain. )

But IF I'm looking to upgrade, then only do it at the beginning of a RAM upgrade or with the first device at that RAM capacity.

How that played out over the past few years...

(9.7) The iPad 4 has 1GB RAM. first gen to have that capacity. That's a buy.
(9.7) The Air 1 had 1 GB RAM. not the first gen at that capacity. Don't buy.
(9.7) The Air 2 had 2 GB RAM. first gen to have that capacity. buy.
(12.9) The 12.9 Pro had 4GB RAM. first gen to have that capacity. buy.
(9.7) The 9.7 Pro had 2GB RAM. don't buy.
(9.7) The 2017 9.7 has 2GB RAM. don't buy. (unless looking for the bargain model)
(10.5) The 10.5 Pro has 4GB RAM. first gen to have that capacity buy.

how it plays out now...
I'm sitting with a 12.9 Pro right now. The updated 12.9 no matter what it offered over the 1st gen would be a "no buy" for me. IF I were interested in downsizing, then I would need to decide which size. if 10.5, then the 10.5 Pro is a "buy", but if I was set on going back to 9.7, then it would be the 2017 9.7 (because that's the only new one being sold) if I could get a new Air 2 at a blowout price, I would get that.

Of course there's the factor of 9.7 vs 10.5 vs 12.9 which in my opinion run along concurrent tracks.

Actually, the first retina iPad was the first iPad with 1GB of RAM, but the 4th gen was still a better buy.

I got the original iPad.
I upgraded to the iPad 2 because it was thinner, lighter, much faster, and had cameras.
Upgraded again to the third gen iPad because of the Retina display.
Passed on the 4 because I was angry about Apple releasing a new iPad half a year after the 3.
Passed again on the iPad Air because it felt hollow and cheap. So glad I did, too!
By the time the iPad Air 2 came out, my iPad 3 was a PITA to use so I finally upgraded again and so glad I did! I'm always tempted by newer devices just because I like having the latest and greatest, but even 2.5+ years later, this iPad is still performing beautifully.

I really want to upgrade to the 10.5 because I'm ready for something new, but I'm still not sure it will be a big enough upgrade to justify the purchase. I'll never use the Pencil. I know the bezels are a lot smaller, but they're still bigger than what I was hoping for, especially the top and bottom bezels. I'm going to have to play with one and see if that new display is worth upgrading for. If not, I might be hanging onto the iPad Air 2 for another generation.

 

[sracer]

Actually, the first retina iPad was the first iPad with 1GB of RAM, but the 4th gen was still a better buy.

Yes, technically the iPad 3 was the first with 1GB, but since it came only 5 months after the 2 it didn't count. By the time I was considering whether or not to upgrade from the 2, the 4 came out.

I got the original iPad.
I upgraded to the iPad 2 because it was thinner, lighter, much faster, and had cameras.
Upgraded again to the third gen iPad because of the Retina display.
Passed on the 4 because I was angry about Apple releasing a new iPad half a year after the 3.
Passed again on the iPad Air because it felt hollow and cheap. So glad I did, too!
By the time the iPad Air 2 came out, my iPad 3 was a PITA to use so I finally upgraded again and so glad I did! I'm always tempted by newer devices just because I like having the latest and greatest, but even 2.5+ years later, this iPad is still performing beautifully.

I really want to upgrade to the 10.5 because I'm ready for something new, but I'm still not sure it will be a big enough upgrade to justify the purchase. I'll never use the Pencil. I know the bezels are a lot smaller, but they're still bigger than what I was hoping for, especially the top and bottom bezels. I'm going to have to play with one and see if that new display is worth upgrading for. If not, I might be hanging onto the iPad Air 2 for another generation.

IMO either choice (10.5 or stick with the Air 2) is a good one. One thing that I like to do when I start feeling like my iPad is feeling "stale" is to buy new accessories or apps to keep the experience fresh.

 

[rui no onna]

Yes, technically the iPad 3 was the first with 1GB, but since it came only 5 months after the 2 it didn't count.

Alternative facts.

Personally, I upgrade whenever there are features that I want at a price point I'm willing to pay. It's pointless to future-proof. By the time the future comes around (be that 12, 15, 18 or 24 months), I'm likely to buy the next shiny iThingy that catches my fancy anyway.

 

[Channan]

Yes, technically the iPad 3 was the first with 1GB, but since it came only 5 months after the 2 it didn't count. By the time I was considering whether or not to upgrade from the 2, the 4 came out.


IMO either choice (10.5 or stick with the Air 2) is a good one. One thing that I like to do when I start feeling like my iPad is feeling "stale" is to buy new accessories or apps to keep the experience fresh.

Do you mean 5 months after you bought the iPad 2?

 

[rui no onna]

Actually, the first retina iPad was the first iPad with 1GB of RAM, but the 4th gen was still a better buy.

I got the original iPad.
I upgraded to the iPad 2 because it was thinner, lighter, much faster, and had cameras.
Upgraded again to the third gen iPad because of the Retina display.
Passed on the 4 because I was angry about Apple releasing a new iPad half a year after the 3.
Passed again on the iPad Air because it felt hollow and cheap. So glad I did, too!
By the time the iPad Air 2 came out, my iPad 3 was a PITA to use so I finally upgraded again and so glad I did! I'm always tempted by newer devices just because I like having the latest and greatest, but even 2.5+ years later, this iPad is still performing beautifully.

I really want to upgrade to the 10.5 because I'm ready for something new, but I'm still not sure it will be a big enough upgrade to justify the purchase. I'll never use the Pencil. I know the bezels are a lot smaller, but they're still bigger than what I was hoping for, especially the top and bottom bezels. I'm going to have to play with one and see if that new display is worth upgrading for. If not, I might be hanging onto the iPad Air 2 for another generation.

Since we're sharing iPad purchase reasons/justifications.

1. 03/11 iPad 2 32GB Wi-Fi (A5/512MB): first iPad, waited for the app store to mature (went to mom, then sold it)
2. 03/11 iPad 2 64GB Wi-Fi (A5/512MB): ordered same weekend I received the 32GB, apparently 32GB was not enough (went to grandma)
3. 03/12 iPad 3 64GB Wi-Fi (A5X/1GB): for retina (went to mom, then dad)
4. 03/12 iPad 3 64GB LTE (A5X/1GB): for LTE (went to mom)
5. 02/13 iPad 4 128GB LTE (A6X/1GB): for 128GB
6. 11/13 iPad Air 16GB LTE (A7/1GB): for universal LTE, really wanted to get the mini 2 but supply constraints meant I won't be able to get it in time for our departure
7. 03/16 iPad Pro 9.7 256GB LTE (A9X/2GB): long overdue upgrade
8. 06/16 iPad Pro 12.9 512GB LTE (A10X/4GB): screen size and storage

If things had gone to plan, I was supposed to get mini 2 in 2013 then Air 2 256GB in 2014. Ended up being frustrated with the iPad mini 3 non-upgrade in 2014 so I just didn't buy any iPad that year. If I knew the Pro 9.7 was getting released 2.5 years after the Air, I would've just upgraded to the Air 2 128GB when that was first released. Quite honestly though, my biggest frustration with my Air was lack of storage and not performance. Mostly, I was using the iPad 4 as my primary iPad but after a while, apps stopped supporting iOS 6 so I was forced to using the Air.