Other Touch ID on the iPhone 12

[Marlon DLTH :)]

A few days ago a manual of the upcoming iPad Air was leaked. It has Touch ID built into the power button. Why don’t Apple implement it on the iPhone 12? I’m not talking about replacing Face ID, just as a second authentication method. And to be honest, I don’t think it’s expensive for Apple, because if it is they weren’t using it on the iPad Air in the first place.

I hope Apple thought about it and the upcoming iPhone 12, or at least the Pro models will have it.

Edit: it’s official, there’s an iPad Air with Touch ID built into the power button.

 

[Shirasaki]

Apple: Face ID is more secure. Why you need a backup solution anyways?

 

[Liberal]

Apple: Face ID is more secure. Why you need a backup solution anyways?

Face masks. Touch ID would be a better backup solution than passcode.

 

[snipr125]

Apple: Face ID is more secure. Why you need a backup solution anyways?

People like authentication options, and there are quite a few people who just prefer fingerprint authentication.

Marlon, it might happen with the iphone 13 hopefully, and there is the possible SE plus iphone which is rumoured to have touch id in the power button.

 

[Alon1]

While Face ID is far superior to Touch ID in my opinion, and I never missed Touch ID since Face ID came out, this would be a good solution for the problem presented by face masks. For a long time now I had an alphanumeric passcode but since this whole pandemic started, I had to switch to a weaker passcode because I’ve been having to punch it in a lot more often. A lot of android manufacturers give you multiple Biometric options, I don’t see why apple can’t do the same.

 

[Shirasaki]

Face masks. Touch ID would be a better backup solution than passcode.

But that seems to not what Apple think regarding multi-factor backup authentications, which sounds reasonable cause Apple is not making a lot of stuff for enterprise users apparently.

I also want a backup authentication method but yeah... :/

 

[Shirasaki]

People like authentication options, and there are quite a few people who just prefer fingerprint authentication.

Until Apple thinks they need multi-factor biometric authentications, I doubt this will happen.

For “quite a few people”, Apple can just argue iPhone SE is for them, maybe the upcoming iPad Air 4 as well.

 

[eyoungren]

A few days ago a manual of the upcoming iPad Air was leaked. It has Touch ID built into the power button. Why don’t Apple implement it on the iPhone 12? I’m not talking about replacing Face ID, just as a second authentication method. And to be honest, I don’t think it’s expensive for Apple, because if it is they weren’t using it on the iPad Air in the first place.

I hope Apple thought about it and the upcoming iPhone 12, or at least the Pro models will have it.

I'll post this here again, since this whole Face ID/Touch ID thing keeps coming up.

As of the iPhone X, Apple believes Touch ID to be a dead technology.

"I heard some rumor [that] we couldn't get Touch ID to work through the glass so we had to remove that," Riccio said. "When we hit early line of sight on getting Face ID to be [as] good as it was, we knew that if we could be successful we could enable the product that we wanted to go off and do. And if that's true, it could be something that we could burn the bridges and be all-in with. This was assuming it was a better solution.

"And that's what we did. So we spent no time looking at fingerprints on the back or through the glass or on the side, because if we did those things — which would be a last-minute change — they would be a distraction relative to enabling the more important thing that we were trying to achieve — which was Face ID done in a high-quality way."

-- Dan Riccio, Senior Vice President of Hardware Engineering, Apple

 

[Shirasaki]

I'll post this here again, since this whole Face ID/Touch ID thing keeps coming up.

As of the iPhone X, Apple believes Touch ID to be a dead technology.

-- Dan Riccio, Senior Vice President of Hardware Engineering, Apple

Which makes the whole iPad Air 4 rumour even more interesting. At this point nobody knows what biometric solution Apple choose to bake into iPad Air 4 without cannibalising iPad Pro sale. Guess we will know that soon enough, but the least thing I will believe is apple keeping their words as if those are constitutions.

 

[EM2013]

Not happening with the 12.

Next year allegedly.

 

[eyoungren]

Which makes the whole iPad Air 4 rumour even more interesting. At this point nobody knows what biometric solution Apple choose to bake into iPad Air 4 without cannibalising iPad Pro sale. Guess we will know that soon enough, but the least thing I will believe is apple keeping their words as if those are constitutions.

Apple tends to be a bit more contradictory with their words regarding the iPhone and iPad.

But I guarantee you that if you're a PowerPC Mac owner, PowerPC and OS9 are dead.

 

[C DM]

I'll post this here again, since this whole Face ID/Touch ID thing keeps coming up.

As of the iPhone X, Apple believes Touch ID to be a dead technology.

-- Dan Riccio, Senior Vice President of Hardware Engineering, Apple

There's that. There's also Apple changing their approach to things over time occasionally for one reason or another.

 

[eyoungren]

There's that. There's also Apple changing their approach to things over time occasionally for one reason or another.

True.

Perhaps one day there will be a PowerPC release of the latest version of Mac OS. It gets hard while waiting on OS X Leopard 10.5.8.

 

[compwiz1202]

People like authentication options, and there are quite a few people who just prefer fingerprint authentication.

Marlon, it might happen with the iphone 13 hopefully, and there is the possible SE plus iphone which is rumoured to have touch id in the power button.

Yes beyond masks, I prefer Touch for AP and getting new apps. I can double tap the home button and keep my thumb on for TouchID as I move the phone to the reader. DING DONE. So much more fluid than the clunky double power tap while keeping my face in range, and then I can finally move it to the reader.

 

[compwiz1202]

While Face ID is far superior to Touch ID in my opinion, and I never missed Touch ID since Face ID came out, this would be a good solution for the problem presented by face masks. For a long time now I had an alphanumeric passcode but since this whole pandemic started, I had to switch to a weaker passcode because I’ve been having to punch it in a lot more often. A lot of android manufacturers give you multiple Biometric options, I don’t see why apple can’t do the same.

Yea when I had GS8+, irises were awesome. Apple needs that if not Touch so a mask won't matter anymore.

 

[compwiz1202]

People like authentication options, and there are quite a few people who just prefer fingerprint authentication.

Marlon, it might happen with the iphone 13 hopefully, and there is the possible SE plus iphone which is rumoured to have touch id in the power button.

Yea I might just go SE2020+; although, I wish they would have come out concurrently. Would have easily bought it over normal SE2020.

 

[ericwn]

We can but speculate at this point. Apple is all about user experience, with a focus on ease of use. Since Face ID may not work well with masks (although some users seem to have it working well for them) they probably will offer a secondary way like the fingerprint reader - but they need it in slightly different quantities than others. It might have been on the roadmap, the demand rises now due to Covid, but they can only get enough parts produced to suit one ipad line.

 

[snipr125]

There's that. There's also Apple changing their approach to things over time occasionally for one reason or another.

Yes its quite odd that Dan Riccio said that Apple considered touch id to be dead after the iphone X, and here we are at this moment in time where the newest iphone released by Apple has Touch id. Furthermore they have been investing in R and D to develop a power button Touch id system for their upcoming ipad Air 4 and possible SE plus Phone?!?

 

[1rottenapple]

A few days ago a manual of the upcoming iPad Air was leaked. It has Touch ID built into the power button. Why don’t Apple implement it on the iPhone 12? I’m not talking about replacing Face ID, just as a second authentication method. And to be honest, I don’t think it’s expensive for Apple, because if it is they weren’t using it on the iPad Air in the first place.

I hope Apple thought about it and the upcoming iPhone 12, or at least the Pro models will have it.

Cost imho

 

[joeblow7777]

I wish that TouchID would come back to iPhones this year, but nothing suggests that it will.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I don’t see TouchID happening with the 12 models. I suppose it might be possible with the iPhone 13, if Covid-19 is till a major problem (in more ways than one).

 

[DoofenshmirtzEI]

I like touchid so much that I didn't upgrade my 8 last year (helped that i got a new phone due to battery issues) as I normally would. It would be awesome if they came out with a new phone with touchid again because I would definitely like to upgrade this year.

 

[Hadron]

I'll post this here again, since this whole Face ID/Touch ID thing keeps coming up.

As of the iPhone X, Apple believes Touch ID to be a dead technology.

-- Dan Riccio, Senior Vice President of Hardware Engineering, Apple

Thing is, Apple make a lot of "definitive" statements that they subsequently reverse. So I always regard such statements as having a limited shelf life: if they see a sales advantage in backtracking they'll pretend they never said it, or come up with a story about how their implementation is better than what they dismissed earlier.

That said, I don't see them implementing both on the same device.

 

[Furzul]

Yes beyond masks, I prefer Touch for AP and getting new apps. I can double tap the home button and keep my thumb on for TouchID as I move the phone to the reader. DING DONE. So much more fluid than the clunky double power tap while keeping my face in range, and then I can finally move it to the reader.

I agree. Although I prefer face ID overall, with Apple pay touch ID is so much smoother.

 

[Abazigal]

A few days ago a manual of the upcoming iPad Air was leaked. It has Touch ID built into the power button. Why don’t Apple implement it on the iPhone 12? I’m not talking about replacing Face ID, just as a second authentication method. And to be honest, I don’t think it’s expensive for Apple, because if it is they weren’t using it on the iPad Air in the first place.

I hope Apple thought about it and the upcoming iPhone 12, or at least the Pro models will have it.

You are assuming the leaks are even accurate to begin with.

The iPhone design would have been locked in at the end of last year / start of the year, before COVID-19 became a thing and we all had to wear face masks in public. As such, I don't think Apple could have redesigned the iPhone even if they wanted to.

I agree that Face ID has become very inconvenient to use. However, if Apple thinks that this is a one-off anomaly and may blow over by this time next year, then there really isn't any point to trying to add Touch ID back to the phone if the virus is contained and people no longer need to wear masks.