Looks like Apple really made themselves a PR disaster this time. Even on Macrumors only half of the users are fine with with this change.
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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?
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To be fair I think most people aren't aware, or at least of the consequences, and the slippery slope. By most people I mean people who don't frequent tech sites.
Many people buy Apple and paid extra money for the privacy, Apple will lost many advanced users, and his friends, family, etc… I am sure, for this movement.
Why paid more ir you dont have total privacy? Many people answer this question in other conmmunities. Paid more for same privacy?
For apple privacy was a valour for paid more.
Is you want you can shutdown the hability to apple use YOUR PHONE to search people airtags or device, when apple made this i dont like it… this New movement you cant shutdown, apple will be use your battery, energy, cpu, for scan you like a criminal.
I can see two question:
1) Lost privacy
2) Use YOUR private hardware for make Data Center works…
Why paid more ir you dont have total privacy? Many people answer this question in other conmmunities. Paid more for same privacy?
For apple privacy was a valour for paid more.
Is you want you can shutdown the hability to apple use YOUR PHONE to search people airtags or device, when apple made this i dont like it… this New movement you cant shutdown, apple will be use your battery, energy, cpu, for scan you like a criminal.
I can see two question:
1) Lost privacy
2) Use YOUR private hardware for make Data Center works…
My only question to Apple is how did that poor PR announcement even happen? Can't believe they haven't predicted this scenario of public reaction. Are they completely delusional with the idea if they put "privacy" on anything, people will praise them?
Personally, I trust them that they will only use it for its stated purpose. But will see.
Corporations are the new government, people! But we still have choices.
Personally, I trust them that they will only use it for its stated purpose. But will see.
Corporations are the new government, people! But we still have choices.
What public reaction? With the exception of this forum, I've seen nothing about this in mainstream media and absolutely no one that I know is aware of this (although to be fair, I haven't discussed it with many).
Russian popular media posted about it and this option caused a lot of discussions even among those who use Android.
Maybe because russian people are concerned about any backdoor that our government could use against people who disagree with the government of Putin.
The Guardian covered this issue as did other outlets but unfortunately millions and millions of phone users of both main platforms are oblivious to the issue.
Those people will probably ask their tech friends “what phone/computer to buy”, and this time the answer won’t be iPhone/Mac any more.
I told my wife about this. She's a loyal user of damn near every Mac product out there - airpods, watch, laptop, phone - and she didn't like it one bit. If I hadn't told her, she never would have known, simply because she's not the type of forum dweller that I am.
Will she react as strongly as me? By nature, probably not. But she will consider this in her future purchases and will be more likely to consider other options. I could nudge her to switch, but we'll see how this goes.
How are you sure about that? Even tech-savvy don’t have a common opinion on this.
CSAM is awesome and I hope that this kind of system is also used to prevent anti-vaxxers and extremists from sharing their crap. Having independent auditors check that the system isn’t being used to suppress genuine free speech is good. But abusing free speech to spread misinformation and violence is something we can’t afford as a civilization and democracy.
“How to say you’re a bot without saying you’re a bot”
EDIT: tried to quote the post above me, didn’t work, couldn’t find delete option on mobile. Sorry 😬
EDIT: tried to quote the post above me, didn’t work, couldn’t find delete option on mobile. Sorry 😬
Yeah the "bot" accusation may be overused sometimes, but in this case, it's appropriate. The text is just lifted from the stereotypical cat person comic book quote.
CSAM neuralHash found all the way back to iOS 14.3.
I am sure glad hackers won’t be able to exploi—
There are petitions out there. And I've been signing them.
So you would not have an issue if the police showed up at your door, without a warrant, saying they wanted to search your house JUST IN CASE you had something illegal.
I don't have a problem with CSAM either. I have a problem with warrantless searches of everything you do on your personal device.
See, this is exactly what is wrong with our nation today.
"I don't have a problem with xxxxx, because it's still better than yyyyy".
This is the problem with our elections, with our laws, with our taxes, everything. Even our gas prices. Raise the prices up by 50 cents, until everyone starts complaining, then drop it down by 25 cents, and listen to everyone give a sigh of relief.
Wake up, people. Regardless of Apple's "noble cause" to "protect the children", you are agreeing to voluntary surveillance. Would you agree to have a camera put in your home, so that you can be watched so you don't abuse your children? Would you agree to have your phone line constantly monitored, so you're not calling Afghanistan (by the way, that happens... look at the history of the NSA). So, it's OK to put a camera in someone else's home to protect children; because it's for the children. But remember, that camera can not only be used to protect against child abuse, but also to watch you walking around in your panties.
It's not about CSAM. It's about giving up your 4th amendment RIGHT, and giving Apple (not even law enforcement) the ability to watch what you do, just to make sure you behave.
How would you feel if it was say, racist images instead of CSAM? I mean, racism is bad, right? We need less racists in the world. Here's a different headline for you:
"Apple to scan your photos on your phone for ANTIFA-supporting images"
"Apple to scan your photos on your phone for racist images"
"Apple to scan your photos on your phone for anti-(democrat/republican) images"
"Apple to scan your photos for muslim-supporting images"
"Apple to scan your photos for atheist supporting images"
Do you see, it's not about CSAM. It's about surveillance. If you are OK with ANYBODY (not just Apple) doing this, you don't deserve the rights that we have fought to maintain for over 200 years.
Bad analogy. If I signed a contract saying that I agree to the police coming to my house to check for illegal CP images that I put in the mailbox, that would be a better analogy. I've chosen these pictures as okay to send out and any illegal CP material in my possession I agree to be 100% liable for.
I think that we can all agree that if Apple said "Hey, we're going to scan your iCloud photos for CSAM", pretty much everyone would have been OK with that.
The fact that Apple instead said "Hey, we're going to put software on YOUR device to scan all of your photos before you can send them to iCloud", that's what many of us have an issue with.
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