I think for 90% of the people its just because microsoft sucks. If they actually make a OS better or even equal to mac OSX then I would quickly switch back because of the price.
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I think for 90% of the people its just because microsoft sucks. If they actually make a OS better or even equal to mac OSX then I would quickly switch back because of the price.
Windows 7 is on par with OSX. I've found it to be very stable and fast. The only issue you need to contend with, as with any windows OS is making sure you use antivirus software.
It's not a very good GPU though, is it? 3D performance is still poor, so you're getting a system which has an outdated CPU and a "new" but still very underpowered GPU compared to what you'd get if you spent an equivalent amount with the companies you mention.
I make all of my purchasing decisions based on my own experience if it is available. In fact, what I failed to mention to you was that my MacBook has also suffered multiple kernel panics, often while running Apple's own software (usually iTunes but it has also happened with Boot Camp Assistant and Pages).
My 20 month old iPhone 3G has been treated with the utmost care. It has always had a (clean) pocket to itself and when it wasn't out with me it was sitting in the dock on my desk. There's now a clump of dust between the glass and the LCD which is very irritating and particularly noticeable on the uncustomisable black home screen.
I agree - Android seems to be complicated to use than iPhone OS. But you're blowing things out of proportion here - it's just that different things are done in different ways. As far as I can see though, being able to select which applications appear on the home screen is a HUGE win over iPhone OS - I have some applications which I'll use less than once a month. I still want them installed, but I don't want to have to clutter up my phone with the icon. It's great to know that it has a menu with all of the installed applications which isn't the home screen.
We haven't mentioned widgets here yet, but I'm very impressed with what they can do on my HTC Desire.
YouTube is available on plenty of handsets. I'd imagine the reason BBC iPlayer isn't available on Zune HD is because Zune HD isn't available in the UK. That said, if both were released then I'm sure the experience would be better than iPod touch for the reason I outlined in my earlier post.
No worries Thomas. I was curious as I thought it was good of Google to give them out the way the do but if they were an inferior build to retail vearions that would be a bit crappy of them.
There are two extremely annoying aspects of the Windows GUI that prevent me from considering it. Firstly the way a dialog box locks other aspects of a program from operating whilst it is open, especially irritating when so many programs use nested dialog boxes. You cannot move the first tier dialog box out of the way whilst the second is open, so you have to think about the screen position of all windows before you open the next. Secondly the way a program that I have set an action on will make itself active when that action is finished, whilst I'm already working on another. These cause interruptions to my thought processes and as a result make work irritating. So Microsoft could make the wizziest loveliest most secure OS ever, but if those two behaviours continue I will not use it.
I feel the same resentment towards Apple. But still, I purchased a new 27" iMac only a few weeks ago. Why? In my opinion, it was the best available hardware at that price for my personal demands and requirements.
I still use OS X as my main platform on that machine, but I also have a VM with Ubuntu Server and a Boot Camp partition with Win7 on it.
Which simply means that Apple does not own or control me. I am not locked in to their platform.
With the iGadgets, it's a completel different story. I had an iPod Touch once, but using this gadget felt too much like suffocating to me. The iDevices are digital prisons. Beautiful on a superficial level, but digital prisons nevertheless. I hated that experience, so I sold it on eBay.
Will I buy another Mac in the future? As long as there is a Mac that perfectly suits my needs, the answer is most likely yes. In worst case, I can still run an Open Source operating system like FreeBSD or Linux on it.
Will I buy another iToy from Apple? I doubt it. Android gadgets might not be nearly as beautiful as the Apple gadgets, but they certainly do not strangle their users with their artificial restrictions, limitations and censorship.
Apple has become as bad and evil as Microsoft and IBM back in their prime time were. Power corrupts, and Steve Jobs really "would have made a good king of France", as that guy once wrote. The calendar says that it's 2010, but Apple makes it feel a lot like 1984.
I'm pretty happy with my iphone and Macbook pro and mac pro.
i do get tired of people telling me i shouldnt enjoy apple products just because they hate them. So i just ignore them. But here are other reasons why i will support them. Oh and BTW i use PC's also and i have a linux box so let's not name call me a fanboy okay?
1) Mac's retain value. So essentially if i decide to sell my macbook pro and trade up to a newer one. I can make some real cash. Now as much as windows machines are good too. You won't get nearly as much a return for an HP. Apple products have good Resell Value.
2) I love my iphone and so what it doesn't allow me to install certain apps. I knew going into this from when i had my iphone 2G back in 07 what and what could not be done. So it's my choice because if i wanted something else i could go get an Android or Winmo or the other platforms.
I'm happy knowing that when i install an App on my phone its been tested and i dont have to worry about any type of Malicious Code or anything that would force me to have to restore my phone or something
3) The support is good. If i have a problem with my mac, or iphone guess what? I can take it into the Apple store. Can't do that for dell , Can't do that for ASUS,etc
4) The Iphone is supported in future versions of SW updates (FEatures that work dependent on HW Version) So what this means is that while my 2G iphone wont be supported in 4.0.
It means that my 3GS will be and pretty much my Iphone 4 will be supported for at least 4 more SW versions. Now i used an Android phone before and while it's decent. The Android OS doesn't support multiple HW generations. At least the original Iphone was supported for 3 versions. People that had the G1 and my touch are pretty much screwed for updates.
5) People complain about games. Well that's why i have an ASUS if there is something that's going to require more GPU power. But in the end im going to always support apple.
Call me a fan or what you will. But it's just like with my Chicago Cubs win or lose im always gonna love them.
Word of advice. Attempting to change my mind about apple. Its not gonna work guys. I like what i like and i would love it if you guys would respect me and not question me.
i do get tired of people telling me i shouldnt enjoy apple products just because they hate them. So i just ignore them. But here are other reasons why i will support them. Oh and BTW i use PC's also and i have a linux box so let's not name call me a fanboy okay?
1) Mac's retain value. So essentially if i decide to sell my macbook pro and trade up to a newer one. I can make some real cash. Now as much as windows machines are good too. You won't get nearly as much a return for an HP. Apple products have good Resell Value.
2) I love my iphone and so what it doesn't allow me to install certain apps. I knew going into this from when i had my iphone 2G back in 07 what and what could not be done. So it's my choice because if i wanted something else i could go get an Android or Winmo or the other platforms.
I'm happy knowing that when i install an App on my phone its been tested and i dont have to worry about any type of Malicious Code or anything that would force me to have to restore my phone or something
3) The support is good. If i have a problem with my mac, or iphone guess what? I can take it into the Apple store. Can't do that for dell , Can't do that for ASUS,etc
4) The Iphone is supported in future versions of SW updates (FEatures that work dependent on HW Version) So what this means is that while my 2G iphone wont be supported in 4.0.
It means that my 3GS will be and pretty much my Iphone 4 will be supported for at least 4 more SW versions. Now i used an Android phone before and while it's decent. The Android OS doesn't support multiple HW generations. At least the original Iphone was supported for 3 versions. People that had the G1 and my touch are pretty much screwed for updates.
5) People complain about games. Well that's why i have an ASUS if there is something that's going to require more GPU power. But in the end im going to always support apple.
Call me a fan or what you will. But it's just like with my Chicago Cubs win or lose im always gonna love them.
Word of advice. Attempting to change my mind about apple. Its not gonna work guys. I like what i like and i would love it if you guys would respect me and not question me.
Nope, I was just way off. The screen is glass. And it's even better of Google than you might think; all I did was go along to an Android developer day that anybody could sign up to. Though weirdly the only directed part of the day was a lengthy chat about how they've added live wallpaper to the home screen.
Whether it's a good GPU or not (and nobody actually seems to benchmark them for GPGPU purposes), Apple as a whole don't sell only outdated hardware because they still have a Core 2 Duo offering and they did make a decent improvement to the 13" MacBook Pro in the latest update. I think your issue may be more that you believe Apple overcharge, at least at the entry level?
I don't use Boot Camp Assistant (or Boot Camp), but I use both Pages ('09) and iTunes. Across my home and work machines I've seen one kernel panic in the last couple of years. That said, I used Windows 2000 for years before switching to Mac and Windows <something> in the job before this one and I think I managed to crash either of those only about twice. So in my own, personal experience, the two are equivalent and neither has any substantial problems. Nothing like the Windows 95 and OS 8/9 days, certainly.
If you were sticking around, you'd probably enjoy the non-black screens of OS 4. Beyond that I can repeat that my 3GS has no problems. Though I've seen at least two that have been dropped onto hard surfaces and the screen has just smashed. The weird thing is that it seems to stay in place as though the entire thing had really strong adhesive underneath it.
It's a trade off between how complicated you make the metaphor and how much customisation and/or functionality you provide. I think that setting the system up so that the icons are the apps buys more simplicity than it loses (especially with respect to uninstalling), but I can see your point of view too.
Because I'm pretty sure the iPhone doesn't do them! I did have a paragraph at one point that mentioned how entirely useless I consider the dashboard to be on desktop OS X, but that's besides the point. The lack of support for widgets on the iPhone indisputably makes it harder to get at quick bits of information. I quite like the look of the Windows Mobile 7 approach to this stuff.
But YouTube isn't available on the Zune HD. So the Zune HD has a lot to learn about media viewing. And the rumour is that the Zune HD is the last of the Zunes, their market reception having been disappointing to say the least and Microsoft preferring to roll the technology into other devices, so it wouldn't shock me if they don't fix that. On the general 'small device' front regarding Microsoft only, it's ridiculous that they not only won't switch to WebKit like everyone else or at least engineer something as compliant. People are treating mobile sites as separate development projects and Microsoft don't have sufficient clout for anyone to throw special effort their way in that space.
Further on media consumption though, by limiting the app market they also cut off people like NBC who offer stuff like sports footage in the NBC Sports Mobile app. So that's one further specific Zune HD deficiency for media playback/consumption.
You're taking what Apple does far too personally.
I'm not sure what your use of the term "evil" means here. You mean like the Emperor, Vader, and Sauron? Any one of them or all rolled into one? Does Steve shoot lightning from his hands? Maybe Phil Schiller is using his Force Powers on everyone during keynotes.
Your comment might mean something if it wasn't based on fairy tales and juvenile science fiction.
There is no such thing as an "Evil company." It's business, and decisions are made in terms of strategy; sacrifices are made in one area to make greater perceived gains in another. There is no "evil" that plays into any of it. Apple differentiates themselves a certain way, and it's proven to be immensely successful.
And you're understanding of Apple's "1984" ad campaign is wrong.
Apple as "bad and evil as Microsoft"? It doesn't really get any worse than this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates was called "evasive and nonresponsive" by a source present at a session in which Gates was questioned on his deposition.[2] He argued over the definitions of words such as "compete", "concerned", "ask", and "we".[3] BusinessWeek reported, "Early rounds of his deposition show him offering obfuscatory answers and saying 'I don't recall' so many times that even the presiding judge had to chuckle. Worse, many of the technology chief's denials and pleas of ignorance have been directly refuted by prosecutors with snippets of E-mail Gates both sent and received."[4] Intel Vice-President Steven McGeady, called as a witness, quoted Paul Maritz, a senior Microsoft vice president as having stated an intention to "extinguish" and "smother" rival Netscape Communications Corporation and to "cut off Netscape's air supply" by giving away a clone of Netscape's flagship product for free. The Microsoft executive denied the allegations.[5]
A number of videotapes were submitted as evidence by Microsoft during the trial, including one that demonstrated that removing Internet Explorer from Microsoft Windows caused slowdowns and malfunctions in Windows. In the videotaped demonstration of what Microsoft vice president James Allchin's stated to be a seamless segment filmed on one PC, the plaintiff noticed that some icons mysteriously disappear and reappear on the PC's desktop, suggesting that the effects might have been falsified.[6] Allchin admitted that the blame for the tape problems lay with some of his staff "They ended up filming it -- grabbing the wrong screen shot," he said of the incident. Later, Allchin re-ran the demonstration and provided a new videotape, but in so doing Microsoft dropped the claim that Windows is slowed down when Internet Explorer is removed. Mark Murray, a Microsoft spokesperson, berated the government attorneys for "nitpicking on issues like video production."[7] Microsoft submitted a second inaccurate videotape into evidence later the same month as the first. The issue in question was how easy or hard it was for America Online users to download and install Netscape Navigator onto a Windows PC. Microsoft's videotape showed the process as being quick and easy, resulting in the Netscape icon appearing on the user's desktop. The government produced its own videotape of the same process, revealing that Microsoft's videotape had conveniently removed a long and complex part of the procedure and that the Netscape icon was not placed on the desktop, requiring a user to search for it. Brad Chase, a Microsoft vice president, verified the government's tape and conceded that Microsoft's own tape was falsified.[8]
Abuse of monopoly, lying, presenting false evidence in court, etc.
Sorry. Apple is *nothing* like Microsoft or IBM. Apple actually rolls out great products that consumers can't get enough of. Yes, that's "bad", as in "badass."
The Kettle said to the pot.
Is apple evil, no, was microsoft evil, no. Did Microsoft use its position to unfairly impact competition. Yes. Is apple using its position to unfairly impact competition. Some would say yes, but so far there's no breach of the antitrust laws.
Seriously though, don't call out another user stating that they're taking apple too personally, because you being the fanboi you take them way to serious.
The Kettle said to the pot.
Is apple evil, no, was microsoft evil, no. Did Microsoft use its position to unfairly impact competition. Yes. Is apple using its position to unfairly impact competition. Some would say yes, but so far there's no breach of the antitrust laws.
Then they aren't. Until Apple breaks the law, all's fair in love and war.
I never said they were, just that by some folks accuse apple of unfair practices, like manipulating the prices of flash ram. by the way, that type of attitude "all fairs in love and war" is the exact type of mentality that typically gets people and corporations in trouble.
There's something called morality, and when people or companies ignore it. Things go south. While they may not be breaking the law, people can attribute immoral behavior to apple, i.e., sicking the police after gizmodo, etc.
In order for that to matter, the buying public has to care about a corporation's morality. A noisy minority might, in this case, if we consider MacRumors posters to be both noisy and a minority (clearly that's true). If they become a significant enough a minority, enough to affect sales, a corporation changes its ways or suffers decline in sales. See how that works? In the meantime, you can stop buying Apple because of their "immorality"
. Me, I'll only care if your boycott affects my computer buying habits.Siccing the police after Gizmodo is immoral? You have to be kidding. You must be sipping the John Stewart kool-aid.
So following the process of the Law is immoral? But yet someone selling a stolen phone for 5,000 and someone obtaining stolen property for 5000 is not immoral?
Or is it not immoral because it's something dealing with apple?
I just wanted to pluck two things from your original post ... as "an almost graduated journalism student," you might want to take a close look at Google's business model and how its sucking the life out of content providers you might be asking for employment once you're a fully graduated journalism student.
If/when newspapers die, it's very likely Google that will give the killing blow. And once the papers are dead, they'll move to radio/TV, web news, you name it.
To be sure, Apple has done plenty of things that should be questioned, but it's battle with Google isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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Dude, Apple's BoD, their legal dept., and more than a few employees *wish* it was just Google and Adobe.
In the last few years Steve has managed to also annoy Microsoft, Oracle, most record labels, a good many book publishers, nearly every cross-platform developer who once had hopes of supporting iPhone OS, all the makers of such tools, and even U2 now pimps for Blackberry, one of Apple's competitors.
Times have changed there.
Yes Apple's no longer "beleaguered" meaning they don't have to kowtow to
the aforementioned companies.
I have very few Microsoft or Adobe products on my Mac and no Oracle. I'm about to ditch Google because Im not "feeling" the relationship anymore. That means to me these companies, or rather their influence, is somewhat waning when I don't need their products to happily compute.
