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ct2k7

macrumors G3
Aug 29, 2008
8,382
3,439
London
In which case nearly *all* your personal data is vulnerable. Cell tower tracking is not a special case, and relatively not especially more dangerous or compromising than anything else you've got stored on your computer.

Again, there's no egregious violation taking place here, and it's not especially worse than any other way to keep tabs on someone.

I'd rather have a stalker than a paedophile on me.

Let's reserve the lynching for when we actually find out what this tracking data is for specifically and how widespread the issue is with other companies (i.e., Google, MS, etc.)

Ok

If there is no actual cause for concern to the average person (which there really isn't), I fail to see that need to take a flip over it.

You really didn't say that... did you?

Anyway, that's all Il'll post about this for now. I really don't have a lot more to say. This topic is already way off-course, mostly my fault.

ok
 

AppleScruff1

macrumors G4
Feb 10, 2011
10,026
2,949
Don't you mean "Oh yay, another rip off of Steam, XBLA store, Impulse, Gamersgate, PSN, WiiWare or [insert any of the other app download stores that existed years before any of Apple's download stores]."

Hmm?

How quickly they forget, or most likely never knew. Some here think that Apple invented the wheel. :D

Back on topic, I hope that Microsoft listens to their users and lets everyone who want to download the beta and give their feedback. It seems to have worked well for W7.
 

Sedulous

macrumors 68030
Dec 10, 2002
2,530
2,579
Wow, this thread is crazy OT.

Windows 8. Hopefully it has an even bigger system tray for all those little crapware programs that run in windows.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
10,136
4
My answer is that I don't know what purpose it serves, and neither do you. This does not mean it's dangerous.

Can it be used for nefarious purposes? That depends. No one really knows a lot about it. There's not a whole lot anyone can do by tracking what cell ....

Stand fanboy crap refusing to answer the question.

*LTD* That is not an answer to the question.
To me your refusal to answer screams that You are nothing more than a blind Apple fanboy who refuses to think for once self. The question gave you a broad latitude to answer it but you refused to.
This tells me if it was ANY ONE else but Apple you would be all over it. But because it is Apple you will worship it and say it is good.

So if you feel it is so GOOD. PROVIDE REASONS.
We have provided list of bad reasons and you have yet to provide a single good reason. You seem to be defending it so therefor you must have a long list of good reasons for it. So provide some good reasons why Apple should be data collecting like this.

For Cell phone providers I can understand why but I have yet to see a single reason why Apple or Google should.
At least when ask why Google responded. Apple has yet to respond and that is worry some.
 

SevenInchScrew

macrumors 6502a
Jun 23, 2007
539
2
Omaha
Well, this thread sure is going places. Derailed by the usual suspect, for their usual reasoning. Oh well, it was good for something. My ignore list is quite large now. All we need now is for everyone to...

STOP RESPONDING TO, AND QUOTING, THE TROLLS!!!
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
8,784
215
UK
STOP RESPONDING TO, AND QUOTING, THE TROLLS!!!

What trolls? If you're on about *LTD* here, he is entitled to his opinion, and whereas our opinions differ, it does not mean he is a troll.

What I don't like in this case, is that *LTD* appears to have altered his opinion to suit Apple. He has, on several cases, accuse Google of being a company that cares more about the personal data of users, rather than the user experience. And now that Apple are also seen to be possibly collecting user data, it's a non-issue.

I also disagree with his thought that the 'average person' wouldn't care about the safety and security of their children on cyberspace. Utter rubbish. The 'average person' wants re-assuring that cyberspace is totally safe before they let their kids use it. The 'average person' wants full control over what their kids can and can't do on cyberspace. The 'average person' also doesn't really know the difference between a conversation with a pedo over messenger, and a conversation with an actual friend.

Let me give an example:
Lizzie: Hey.
Amy: Hi. :p
Lizzie: Check out this cool song.
<Lizzie offers Amy track01.mp3.exe>
<Transfer complete.>
Amy: Clicked on it. Doesn't work :(
Lizzie: :/ I'll look for it on YouTube.
Amy: k :)
Lizzie: Here you go :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0

And before you know it, the pedo has access to everything on "Amy's" computer. If our pedo knows how to get a malicious program like that, they certainly know which file contains their iPhone locations.

Slim chance, I know. But there is a risk that it may happen. And I find that unacceptable.
 

ChazUK

macrumors 603
Feb 3, 2008
5,393
25
Essex (UK)
One thing I willask about all of this children/peadophile spin is why are these theoretical parents putting their children at risk giving their children such "connected" devices?

It's simply asking for trouble.
 

SevenInchScrew

macrumors 6502a
Jun 23, 2007
539
2
Omaha
What trolls? If you're on about *LTD* here, he is entitled to his opinion, and whereas our opinions differ, it does not mean he is a troll.
Their opinions aren't what bothers me. People are free to have whatever opinion they like. But when they constantly come into threads with no intention of discussing the topic at hand, only to remind us of what their opinion is for favorite brand, that is troublesome, and behavior that does NOT need defending. But hey, that's just MY opinion.
 

dumb terminal

macrumors member
Jan 15, 2008
76
0
San Diego, CA
I hope windows gets rid of the dos command shell and don't have to rely on third party tools like cygwin. If W8 is unix based, it would be glorious.

I hope they don't get rid of the command shell. That would make system administration a real pain in the neck.

Especially when you've been doing system administration since the days of NT 4.0/2000, and use cmd for everything (yes, even tasks that are done easily through a GUI).

I don't see any of this changing anytime soon. That said, Powershell was a great step in the right direction, and added a lot of useful functionality.
 
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*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
I hope windows gets rid of the dos command shell and don't have to rely on third party tools like cygwin. If W8 is unix based, it would be glorious.

It might be. But A lot of tech companies out there are very, very averse to risk and are slow to change.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
10,136
4
It might be. But A lot of tech companies out there are very, very averse to risk and are slow to change.

then why does Apple keep terminal which is nothing more than Apple version of command prompt.

Command prompt IT like it because it is simple and straight forward in getting things done they want/need to get done. No special eye candy to jump threw. It does its job. It is not exactly meant to super user friendly to use as those tools are not meant for most people to use in daily lives and if it was put to eye candy it would clutter up menus and make it harder for the average person.

Example of things I use cmd for is when I am testing or creating java programs. It is heck of a lot easier to do javac *****.java followed by java *** to run it.
Or if I just want some basic text or basic output to see if said program is working cmd is just plain better for it. Hell of a lot easier to program output on there than it is to created a gui window and I have to import less crap.

It is not like it is something that would be put in a final product but is much better for testing and programing phases. Also do not forget a lot of tools/ programs do not have any out put so you access threw command prompt.

I know apple terminal is more or less the exact same damn thing.
People who say get read of cmd or terminal to me complete prove they do not understand computers/programing at all. All they understand is a how to point and click and use a computer designed for dummies. cmd is not something a majority of people need but any higher level IT/programing it is a very good tool that should not go away.
 

darkplanets

macrumors 6502a
Nov 6, 2009
853
1
If it does have APPX and a previewer like OSX, I'm interested.

There's always been a few features missing from Windows that dissuade me from using it-- their FS and program structure is one, as well as the non-native support of disk images.

To everyone preaching about copying and stealing ideas... who cares? The only thing that these rumored changes would do is bring Windows right next to OSX in terms of likability (IMO, of course ;))

W8 will probably be BIOS/EFI -- I don't see MS dropping BIOS in one OS revision.

cmd is not something a majority of people need but any higher level IT/programing it is a very good tool that should not go away.
I'm not an IT guy, but terminal is one of the selling points of OSX. I love being able to pop in there and SSH or change whatever I need for my purposes.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
then why does Apple keep terminal which is nothing more than Apple version of command prompt.

I was referring to the poster's comment about a hypothetical MS transition to Unix, which won't happen any time soon for a lot of reasons.

The command line is quite useful, actually. There are some very handy Terminal commands out there.

Here's a fun one, which might already be familiar:

Type this into the Terminal window and hit return:

telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl

It's been a while, I'm not sure if they actually finished it.
 
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mrsir2009

macrumors 604
Sep 17, 2009
7,505
156
Melbourne, Australia
One thing I willask about all of this children/peadophile spin is why are these theoretical parents putting their children at risk giving their children such "connected" devices?

It's simply asking for trouble.

Little children that are at risk to that sort of thing shouldn't have cellphones, let alone iPhones or their own computers :eek:
 
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