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symphony

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I disagree. If Samsung called their watch Galaxy Watch Series 3 then that is much more comparable. I think it is nitpick to suggest a dissimilar product that utilizes the word "series", which is a common word, is copying. Same for the number 11.

Do you have an example of another tech giant using “series” as part of naming brand like Apple Watch Series 3 and Xbox Series X? They don’t need to be in the same product category, but that they’re competitors is relevant.

And sure, 11 is normal after 10, but Microsoft made it clear that Windows 10 will be the last version to coincide with macOS X, but if they were to go to Windows 11 after Apple made the big switch and redesign… then it’s a bit convenient and suspicious.
 

svenmany

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Nice. Just pointing out what Microsoft keeps copying recently. If you want to point out what Apple copied, do it on a different thread. This one is solely about Microsoft copying Apple.

But your opening post seems to have the intention of implying something negative about Microsoft. Certainly someone countering that, or offering another angle on the general topic, is relevant to this thread.

If you didn't intend to imply something about Microsoft, what is the point of your opening post. It certainly wasn't just a collection of random facts that you wanted to point out. After all, you prefaced it with "I’m going to offend some people by saying this" suggesting that you wanted to discuss something controversial.
 

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Do you have an example of another tech giant using “series” as part of naming brand like Apple Watch Series 3 and Xbox Series X? They don’t need to be in the same product category, but that they’re competitors is relevant.

And sure, 11 is normal after 10, but Microsoft made it clear that Windows 10 will be the last version to coincide with macOS X, but if they were to go to Windows 11 after Apple made the big switch and redesign… then it’s a bit convenient and suspicious.

Off the top of my head, BMW's lineup of cars are referred to as "Series". Being a tech giant shouldn't matter. You said the fact Apple doesn't make consoles is irrelevant so if we are not focusing on the same product category then anything is comparable. So I can easily claim Apple copied BMW's "Series" line of cars.

Seems clear that Microsoft is backtracking on Windows 10 being the last version. And, if that is the case, Windows 11 is perfectly acceptable. Suggesting Microsoft copied the number 11 from Apple is a bit silly.
 

symphony

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Off the top of my head, BMW's lineup of cars are referred to as "Series". Being a tech giant shouldn't matter. You said the fact Apple doesn't make consoles is irrelevant so if we are not focusing on the same product category then anything is comparable. So I can easily claim Apple copied BMW's "Series" line of cars.

Seems clear that Microsoft is backtracking on Windows 10 being the last version. And, if that is the case, Windows 11 is perfectly acceptable. Suggesting Microsoft copied the number 11 from Apple is a bit silly.
Sure. We can go with Apple copying BMW. I don’t really care about that. But the point is Microsoft is copying Apple with their recent branding. There is an obvious trend.

I will argue though that those competing companies, Microsoft and Apple, are more relevant to each other as they are tech giants and have copied each other more than BMW and Apple. 🙂
 

genovelle

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Apple has copied Microsoft and stolen features from Linux and Android. Your point?
So Android is based on Linux and Linux is based on Unix, right. Well All of Apple’s OS are based on Unix as their core foundation. So, much of what may look like Apple copying Linux could be Apple adopting new core development. Remember this is open sourced and Apple submits changes that may filter into Linux and in turn Android.
 
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Off the top of my head, BMW's lineup of cars are referred to as "Series". Being a tech giant shouldn't matter. You said the fact Apple doesn't make consoles is irrelevant so if we are not focusing on the same product category then anything is comparable. So I can easily claim Apple copied BMW's "Series" line of cars.

Seems clear that Microsoft is backtracking on Windows 10 being the last version. And, if that is the case, Windows 11 is perfectly acceptable. Suggesting Microsoft copied the number 11 from Apple is a bit silly.
It would be except for the fact the literally skipped windows 9 to match Apple at 10. There is no reason to go to 11 for them at this point because the development cycles are different. It’s clearly a copy with no other purpose as usual. This and their vaporware marketing is how they stay in the limelight
 
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ninecows

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Apple copied side-by-side windows from Windows 7.
Windows 10 search
OS X Enlarges Mouse Pointer on Shake
And many more things.
They both copy each other. Apple also copies Android, so… You know. Both copy each other.
You mean that search function that one decade after apples spotlight finally was close to giving instant results? Still remember first time using spotlight. Jaw dropping compared to the windows experience
 

symphony

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It would be except for the fact the literally skipped windows 9 to match Apple at 10. There is no reason to go to 11 for them at this point because the development cycles are different. It’s clearly a copy with no other purpose as usual. This and their vaporware marketing is how they stay in the limelight

But I thought it was because Windows 7 8 9
 

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It would be except for the fact the literally skipped windows 9 to match Apple at 10. There is no reason to go to 11 for them at this point because the development cycles are different. It’s clearly a copy with no other purpose as usual. This and their vaporware marketing is how they stay in the limelight

Well, we are talking about the company who named their third console Xbox One. I don't get the skipping 9 either, but if it was just about copying Mac and naming their OS Windows 10 then they could have skipped 7 and 8 as well. Windows naming has been all over the place since Windows 95.
 

ninecows

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Well, we are talking about the company who named their third console Xbox One. I don't get the skipping 9 either, but if it was just about copying Mac and naming their OS Windows 10 then they could have skipped 7 and 8 as well. Windows naming has been all over the place since Windows 95.
So we learned in this thread that MS can’t count 😂
 
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symphony

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Well, we are talking about the company who named their third console Xbox One. I don't get the skipping 9 either, but if it was just about copying Mac and naming their OS Windows 10 then they could have skipped 7 and 8 as well. Windows naming has been all over the place since Windows 95.


Yeah but Windows wanted to make it the last version of Windows, similar to how macOS stopped at OS X and they just added numbers in decimals.

Now Apple is over it and Microsoft wants to follow that path if they do decide to name their OS Windows 11
 

symphony

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I'm going to laugh if Microsoft names it Windows Series 11.
im pretty sure Microsoft will call it Windows 11 Series W

Windows 11 Series P for pros
Windows 11 Series S for surface
Windows 11 Series W for general
 

maternidad

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Still doesn't make sense.


AFAIK, there is nothing in the forum rules that says the OP ultimately has say on what is considered on and off topic for a thread. You make a claim (which I agree with you) saying that MS copied things from Apple. An opposing viewpoint to that claim is that everyone does it, and Apple has done it themselves a few times. This is totally on topic of MS copying Apple.
There was never an effort to say this; the purpose of the message was to communicate that what the person with the Futurama profile picture said was not indicative of that what the original poster said was untrue.
 
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maternidad

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But your opening post seems to have the intention of implying something negative about Microsoft. Certainly someone countering that, or offering another angle on the general topic, is relevant to this thread.
This confusion, for sure, is the motivation of all the argumentative messages. The initial thread text conveys only mentions of similarities in naming. Of course, it was not made for people to believe Microsoft is culpable of anything.


Seven Mary:
If you didn't intend to imply something about Microsoft, what is the point of your opening post. It certainly wasn't just a collection of random facts that you wanted to point out. After all, you prefaced it with "I’m going to offend some people by saying this" suggesting that you wanted to discuss something controversial.
The thesis was that Microsoft wants to do similar marketing to Apple's. I presume the I'm going to offend some people by saying this was due to the belief of that it would be thought it was another.
 
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But I thought it was because Windows 7 8 9
Prior the release of Windows 7, Microsoft was using "cute" names for OS releases. Windows 95, Windows Me, Windows XP, and Windows Vista. Windows XP was the direct follow-on to Windows 2000, which itself was a follow on to Windows NT 4. The first version of Windows NT was 3.1, and Microsoft chose that version number to prevent people thinking that Windows NT was a lesser version of the consumer oriented Windows 3.1. Windows XPs version number was 5.1, compared to Windows 2000 at 5.0. Windows Vista was version 6.0, with both Windows 7 and 8 only bumping it to 6.1 and 6.2 respectively. When it came time for what is now Windows 10, the choice of Windows 9 could have caused confusion with Windows 95, so they went up by one number. It has no relation to the naming of macOS.

For informational reasons, one of the reasons that Apple iterated 68K macOS to 9 so quickly, was to stop the legal mac clones. This happened when they brought Steve Jobs back, with the acquisition of NeXT, and the OS that ultimately became macOS X.

Resources:
 
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ninecows

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An interesting historical overview of the Windows operating system

Oh and can you do this with System x/Macintosh operating systems/MacOS/macOS?

Here is a long version video.

I don't think so.
No. And I don’t see the purpose of such and upgrade either. Fascinating as it is going from Win1 to vista on the same virtual machine that also shows the weakness of the policy at Redmond. Whenever you insist on maintaining backwards compatibility you also inherit a lot of crap, holes, flaws and restrictions that limits what the next version can do.
 
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symphony

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But your opening post seems to have the intention of implying something negative about Microsoft. Certainly someone countering that, or offering another angle on the general topic, is relevant to this thread.

If you didn't intend to imply something about Microsoft, what is the point of your opening post. It certainly wasn't just a collection of random facts that you wanted to point out. After all, you prefaced it with "I’m going to offend some people by saying this" suggesting that you wanted to discuss something controversial.

Yes, I knew that the idea of a company copying another company would offend some people, and you can see in the first 10 responses people were, and quick to steer my point in a different direction.

Yes, companies copy each other . So what I said in the original post doesn’t change what I said then.

I also believe Apple copies other companies, in the third comment in this post, I highlighted the person’s quote and said I agreed with them… however that remark is irrelevant to what I’m pointing out.

Saying Apple copies other companies or other companies copy each other isn’t the point of my post. If someone wanted to debate how Microsoft is being original with their branding then I’m all for it. There is a pattern here.

Well talking about Microsoft copying Apple is in the title, so I’m not really implying it. But I’ll probably just respond to those topics moving forward with this thread
 
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