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GSWForever8

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I’m going to offend some people by saying this, but I just want to point something out, so allow me to put on my Tim foil hat and show that Microsoft really likes to copy Apple…

Apple Watch Series 3

Xbox Series X

Last version of Windows 10, the final version of Windows

Mac OS X / OS X / macOS 10.X

If Windows 10 is being changed to Windows 11…

Cough cough cough macOS 11 Big Sur
What a coincidence!
 

Juicy Box

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The premise of this thread is a load of nonsense. You can look at marketing names of any product and see a lot of X and Z letters with numbers.
I understand what you are saying, and agree. The examples given by the OP were a pretty weak example of copying when there are so many other better examples, some of which were mentioned in the thread.

If it was just the marketing terms given by the OP, I think this thread would have ended shortly after starting, but since copying features, UI, branding, etc. is so common in the industry, threads like this can get traction, as people can name example, after example, after example.
 

blueflower

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ya but Microsoft is not good at copying apple. Microsoft customer support is horrible.
I came here to say exactly that MS is a really bad cheat and student. Look on the windows app store it is really a joke no one uses it to install apps and when you do most do not operate well on it. So most people head to the websites of the apps and download directly or just pirate the apps. The apple setup is a good deterrent to app piracy. Then windows updates, ridiculously slow and annoying. Macs on the other hand seamless. This is truly a joke, Windows needs to be re-written from the ground up also a lot more needs to go into engaging developers to embrace the windows app stores and actually MS needs to create a more engaging app store. Anyway, let me hop over to the next thread because if Apple really wanted to they could tear into marketshare by offering cheaper macbooks starting at $599 then MS would be in serious problems.
 
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macintoshmac

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It would be except for the fact the literally skipped windows 9 to match Apple at 10. There is no reason to go to 11 for them at this point because the development cycles are different. It’s clearly a copy with no other purpose as usual. This and their vaporware marketing is how they stay in the limelight

Since you mentioned vaporware marketing, what would you call AirPower?
 

macintoshmac

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I’m certain they wouldn’t call AirPower ‘marketing’ 🤪🤨🤨😋😋😋. If I’m not mistaken, it was minimally promoted.

Oh yes, but my point was focused on vaporware. AirPower for all purposes was vaporware when announced. They used to announce only when they are ready to ship in few days. Under Cook, they are following Microsoft in this regard at least, where they announce products that are not ready to launch, giving time frames going months into the future, and, as in case of AirPower, not even ready for mass production, let alone shipping to consumers.
 

OnawaAfrica

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I came here to say exactly that MS is a really bad cheat and student. Look on the windows app store it is really a joke no one uses it to install apps and when you do most do not operate well on it. So most people head to the websites of the apps and download directly or just pirate the apps. The apple setup is a good deterrent to app piracy. Then windows updates, ridiculously slow and annoying. Macs on the other hand seamless. This is truly a joke, Windows needs to be re-written from the ground up also a lot more needs to go into engaging developers to embrace the windows app stores and actually MS needs to create a more engaging app store. Anyway, let me hop over to the next thread because if Apple really wanted to they could tear into marketshare by offering cheaper macbooks starting at $599 then MS would be in serious problems.
ya you very right. ms App Store is a stupid joke u can't even get anything useful there. no wonder windows phone failed miserably
 

SirAnthonyHopkins

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It would be except for the fact the literally skipped windows 9 to match Apple at 10. There is no reason to go to 11 for them at this point because the development cycles are different. It’s clearly a copy with no other purpose as usual. This and their vaporware marketing is how they stay in the limelight
Apple skipped the iPhone 9 to copy Microsoft.
 
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bollman

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Between the major improvements of the GUI, and the crazy successful advertisement campaign, Windows 95 became the king, and Macs (which was still a much better OS) almost disappeared.
Either you are high in the kool-aid or you never used Mac OS.
Old Mac OS was so outdated by the time win95 hit the shelves it was embarrassing.
Manually managing memory for applications, crazy unstable “extensions”, outdated SCSI hardware with constant problems, expensive, outdated, slow hardware and the list goes on.
Those were sad and dark times to be a Mac user.
 

VertPin

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I’m going to offend some people by saying this, but I just want to point something out, so allow me to put on my Tim foil hat and show that Microsoft really likes to copy Apple…

Apple Watch Series 3

Xbox Series X

Last version of Windows 10, the final version of Windows

Mac OS X / OS X / macOS 10.X

If Windows 10 is being changed to Windows 11…

Cough cough cough macOS 11 Big Sur
This is really dumb.
 
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dwig

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Prior the release of Windows 7, Microsoft was using "cute" names for OS releases. Windows 95, Windows Me, Windows XP, and Windows Vista. Windows XP was the direct follow-on to Windows 2000, which itself was a follow on to Windows NT 4. The first version of Windows NT was 3.1, and Microsoft chose that version number to prevent people thinking that Windows NT was a lesser version of the consumer oriented Windows 3.1. Windows XPs version number was 5.1, compared to Windows 2000 at 5.0. Windows Vista was version 6.0, with both Windows 7 and 8 only bumping it to 6.1 and 6.2 respectively. When it came time for what is now Windows 10, the choice of Windows 9 could have caused confusion with Windows 95, so they went up by one number. It has no relation to the naming of macOS.

For informational reasons, one of the reasons that Apple iterated 68K macOS to 9 so quickly, was to stop the legal mac clones. This happened when they brought Steve Jobs back, with the acquisition of NeXT, and the OS that ultimately became macOS X.

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... When MS released the replacement for Windows 8 (aka WinNT v6.2) they had a problem. They needed/wanted to make it a free upgrade. At the time, the convention was that there was always a charge for a full version upgrade and only "dot" releases were free. Therefore, they gave v6.3 the street name 8.1 instead of 9. Later, after deciding that the next upgrade would be free for 7 & 8.1 users (8.0 users had to upgrade to 8.1 first) they chose to release 6.4 as Windows 10.

Also, the "acquisition of NeXT" actually functioned far more like "NeXT's acquisition of Apple". Almost everything of the "1990s Apple" that existed prior to Jobs leveraging his way back into Apple died shortly thereafter including the Macintosh OS. The NeXT OS (a Unix derivative) replaced it and was merely skinned to look and feel similar to the antique Macintosh OS series.
 

genovelle

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May 8, 2008
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Apple copied side-by-side windows from Windows 7.
Windows 10 search
OS X Enlarges Mouse Pointer on Shake
And many more things.
They both copy each other. Apple also copies Android, so… You know. Both copy each other.
If those are the features Apple copied they are pretty weak. You do know that Apple integrated search in macOS since 2001? Side by side Windows would not be possible if Microsoft had not appropriated Apple technology back in the 90s for overlapping windows and Bill Gates won the lawsuit because of a poorly written license for Microsoft to continue development for Word and Excel.
On the other hand Microsoft on multiple occasions has scrolled these pages to leaks of Apple concepts in the works and tried to beat them to market with it.

“Once again, it's maddening to see another Apple patent idea get hijacked by a competitor, especially Microsoft. In 2013 we posted a report titled " Finally! Apple Reveals their Hybrid Notebook Tablet Details." Microsoft grabbed the idea and years later introduced their Surface Book. Surface Neo is now going to execute on another Apple concept.”

Like Steve Jobs famously jabbed, “Redmond start your copiers”

 

jwolf6589

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When it comes to copying, borrowing, or one company's "take" on something, I think Windows 95 is a perfect example, imo.

Compare the GUI of Windows 3.1 to MacOS 7, and then 95 to MacOS 7.

Between the major improvements of the GUI, and the crazy successful advertisement campaign, Windows 95 became the king, and Macs (which was still a much better OS) almost disappeared.

MS had such a successful ad campaign for Windows 95, that there were people buying it that didn't even own a computer. The initial release didn't work either, and there was no internet updates back then. A couple service packs in, they got it working okay, but overall, the release of Windows 95 was genius work by MS, imo.


Nothing wrong with people pointing out opposing views.
I would differ. Windows 95 in some ways blasted Mac OS 7. It was not until Mac OS 8 that Mac got better.
 

MacGizmo

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Apr 27, 2003
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Threads like this are so tiring. If I were to say what thousands upon thousands of people that viewed this thread were thinking but didn't post, I would probably get yet another "warning" message from the mods, so I won't say it.
 
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VaZ

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I don’t think there will ever be a Windows 11. Microsoft’s goal is to have everything as a service, a subscription. Thus they changed the Office 365 brand into Microsoft 365, probably to prepare for that future. The future of Windows is that we won’t even know what version it is, just like Office 365. It’s just Windows, or Office, that you pay via subscription, and updates will just go rolled in as needed transparently.

If you want apt comparison of Microsoft copying Apple business strategy, simply look at the early days of Microsoft stores. They even built them close by or side by side of an existing Apple store. :D
Tell us more :D
 

leman

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Oct 14, 2008
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Tell us more :D

They are not wrong you know. The only reason why Microsoft has Windows 11 is because Apple decided to rename macOS going forward. If Big Sur had retained the name 10.16, the new Windows would still likely be Windows 10.
 

VaZ

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Aug 31, 2012
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Windows 11 runs on a 64-bit processor dropping 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor written by a 2-bit company that can’t stand 1 bit of competition.

~ VaZ 2021
 
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