Windows is just better.

[tomi03]

My MacBook Pro 16” with macOS Catalina is just meh; it’s buggy, kernel panics when I simple connect two monitors, it’s unstable with Logic Pro X and some plugins, etc. It sucks, I can even reproduce a kernel panic with the AirPods Pro.

Btw Xcode is another trash app, I mean you need to reinstall the whole thing if you want some stuff working again and the autocomplete feature only works sometimes. it’s the stupidest KDE ever made, bloated as ****, for any “new feature” introduced there are 50 new bugs.

Meanwhile my other laptop, a Lenovo thinkpad with windows 10 “just works”, it takes 11 seconds to boot and browse on chrome, it never fails, I can connect whatever I want without any issues, it is reliable at everything and it has an i5.

I don’t understand why some people claim macOS Catalina works flawlessly well for them, it’s not true, otherwise at least one of the Apple devices at home should work as they describe on macOS Catalina, but they don’t.

I wanna know if it’s possible to downgrade my iMac to High Sierra and block any update, my MacBook Pro is ready to collect dust on a table. I hate it, I wish there were a way to downgrade to Mojave, but there’s not. It’s stuck on the worst operating system ever made, I bet a Linux distro built in some basement works better.

Yes it’s a rant because I can’t believe their latest software made for the hardware they build can fail in such ways. Totally dissatisfied and disappointed. **** Apple and their quality control when it comes to the MacBook Pro and macOS.

PS: My battery life is at 97% after 16 cycles. Da heck, I am pretty sure macOS Catalina 10.15.4 kills the battery while failing.

PPS:No, it’s not my unit, my mum’s MacBook Pro 16” battery life is at 95.7% after 46 cycles.

Both laptops were bought in different stores at different times.

 

[DeepIn2U]

I don’t understand why some people claim macOS Catalina works flawlessly well for them, it’s not true, otherwise at least one of the Apple devices at home should work as they describe on macOS Catalina, but they don’t.

I wanna know if it’s possible to downgrade my iMac to High Sierra and block any update, my MacBook Pro is ready to collect dust on a table. I hate it, I wish there were a way to downgrade to Mojave, but there’s not. It’s stuck on the worst operating system ever made, I bet a Linux distro built in some basement works better.

I can definitely appreciate your frustration and anger in this, especially with Catalina! Catalina is the first major overhaul of the kernel, terminal shell (now defaulting to zsh), and other components such as no longer supporting 32-bit applications.

I'm not certain if Mojave can be installed, there must be a way ... or dual boot into Windows if you'd like or install Linux or simply sell your MacBook Pro or return if for a refund if possible.

PS: My battery life is at 97% after 16 cycles. Da heck, I am pretty sure macOS Catalina 10.15.4 kills the battery while failing.

I believe Catalina refrains from fully charging the battery any longer in order to preserve battery capacity longevity.
Check System Profiler to see what your capacity is hopefully it matches with factory listing - and contact Apple for potential resolution.

Good luck on whatever your choose.

 

[fisherking]

you mean, the fact that both of my macs are running beautifully in catalina isn't true? and posting "windows is just better" on a mac forum isn't looking for argument?

good thing you're here to straighten us all out, and i get it; what you're experiencing is actually everyone's experience... some of us just don't know it.

 

[TiggrToo]

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One of my employees at work went through three Windows based laptops since mid 2018 and one of them required a reinstall of Windows after an update went bad.

Another is still on the same MacBook from 2017 with zero issues.

This of course proves nothing more than 'Computers will be computers'. Some will be brilliant, some lousy.

None of it is proof of "my OS is better than your OS".

 

[Heat_Fan89]

I've been using Windows since Windows 3.1 and that takes me back to 1991. All I can say is, "welcome to the wonderful world of software development". It's the reason why persons A and B can complain of various problems and persons C and D have NO issues and are quite happy. There are some who say Catalina causes this or that to happen and I haven't seen that but I have noticed it do other things. You just have to roll with the punches and if one particular OS is not meeting your needs then there's no problem going with something else.

Windows 10 is NO different. I have quite a number of machines running Windows 10 with near zero problems. What I can say is that both operating systems are fantastic and it's now basically a preference of what someone feels comfortable using. But for a Windows person to say macOS is a kiddies OS or it's an OS on training wheels is just plain wrong. And the same goes for a macOS person saying Windows 10 is trash or virus laden, is just plain wrong as well. I use both OS' and they are both good. One OS does things better than the other and vice versa. For instance, I now prefer the Windows App Store over the Mac App Store. And the integration of the XBOX ecosystem into Windows 10 is beyond slick.

I could rightfully and easily complain that I'm disappointed in my 2018 Mac mini purchase because of various problems I've had with it that cost me additional money and my Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny PC was a far better and more reliable purchase but I don't come on this forum and share and make my grievances known. You just live and learn and chalk it up to experience.

 

[jwolf6589]

My MacBook Pro 16” with macOS Catalina is just meh; it’s buggy, kernel panics when I simple connect two monitors, it’s unstable with Logic Pro X and some plugins, etc. It sucks, I can even reproduce a kernel panic with the AirPods Pro.

Btw Xcode is another trash app, I mean you need to reinstall the whole thing if you want some stuff working again and the autocomplete feature only works sometimes. it’s the stupidest KDE ever made, bloated as fuc*, for any “new feature” introduced there are 50 new bugs.

Meanwhile my other laptop, a Lenovo thinkpad with windows 10 “just works”, it takes 11 seconds to boot and browse on chrome, it never fails, I can connect whatever I want without any issues, it is reliable at everything and it has an i5.

I don’t understand why some people claim macOS Catalina works flawlessly well for them, it’s not true, otherwise at least one of the Apple devices at home should work as they describe on macOS Catalina, but they don’t. Please stop lying to others.

I wanna know if it’s possible to downgrade my iMac to High Sierra and block any update, my MacBook Pro is ready to collect dust on a table. I hate it, I wish there were a way to downgrade to Mojave, but there’s not. It’s stuck on the worst operating system ever made, I bet a Linux distro built in some basement works better.

Yes it’s a rant because I can’t believe their latest software made for the hardware they build can fail in such ways. Totally dissatisfied and disappointed. Fuc* Apple and their quality control when it comes to the MacBook Pro and macOS.

PS: My battery life is at 97% after 16 cycles. Da heck, I am pretty sure macOS Catalina 10.15.4 kills the battery while failing.

PPS:No, it’s not my unit, my mum’s MacBook Pro 16” battery life is at 95.7% after 46 cycles.

Both laptops were bought in different stores at different times.

Sounds like you have some hardware or software problems. My mac (which is a 2012 model) just works. Its fast, and does everything I need. I do not have kernel panics or the other problems you described. On the latest OS as well.

 

[tomi03]

Sounds like you have some hardware or software problems. My mac (which is a 2012 model) just works. Its fast, and does everything I need. I do not have kernel panics or the other problems you described. On the latest OS as well.

Probably related to the T2 chip and bridgeOS, still can’t believe it. It’s not normal. I did a clean install and I still have issues with the same apps developed by Apple, and external devices.

 

[tommiy]

I've used a Mac for the last 20 years and I do understand the frustration that is coming through. Rather than being a propagandist in that just because it works for some, that it there for must be the same and ghosting others that have different results I think if you step back and look at the overall level of issues and bugs that are arising that they generally are on the increase and problems rarely seem to be completely solved at minor releases which seem to focus on features rather than stability. The 16 inch as you have called out is in the unlucky position of only being supported by Catalina, and as some one else pointed out, significant large impacts as a result of dropping 32 bit apps etc. It is unfortunate that Apple is not focused upon ensuring their flagship hardware has limited features with their overhauled OS. I, for one, have stopped upgrading due to this drop in quality and consistency of the OS. eg. 200 responses for docks no longer working in 10.15.4 obviously means there is some thing wrong in general and while working for 1 person it does not make it correct for everyone.

I understand the frustration, there is unfortunately no option for the 16" other than Catalina. Your stuck at a position in which your forced to wait for Apple which may be quite some time. Microsoft for all their faults, bad releases, etc still do seem to be able to push out fixes and updates to make windows machines functional and to a certain extent reliable.

I wish you luck in waiting for a reales that will fix things. Perhaps 10.15.5? Fingers crossed for you.

 

[LeeW]

I don’t understand why some people claim macOS Catalina works flawlessly well for them, it’s not true

Well Catalina works flawlessly for me across all devices, not saying it is perfect, but your definition, flawless it is.

 

[slooksterPSV]

Every OS has their own sets of problems. 32-bit is going the way of 16-bit. Don’t expect to run it on the latest. Instead use VMs or other alternatives. Just wait till 128-bit. Same complaint over again.

However, I’m running 10.15.4 on my MBA 2015 with 4GB RAM. It’s not the most powerful and I run through RAM like crazy but I’m not using it for pure development or gaming. I use it for Remote Desktop, music, documents photos etc.

While Windows does not certainly just work for me, I have more issues on Windows than Mac - granted my Windows PCs are geared greatly for more dev tasks and DevOps tasks. I’ve had broken Bluetooth broken WiFi broken display drivers etc. I’ve had to restore too many times to fix issues losing some data in the process or having to redownload gigs from the internet. It doesn’t bug me as much cause I always have Linux on the side for an alternative.

If Mac isn’t working for you and you enjoy Windows great! I’m sorry your experience lately had been bad. Every maker faces their own dilemmas. Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Ubuntu, etc etc etc.

 

[fisherking]

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or maybe... you're having an experience that isn't universal, and you could come to the forum for help and discussion, instead of whining... and telling us how our own experiences aren't real.

 

[tommiy]

Unfortunately their is a lot of issues in Catalina and some are morphing from one dot release to the next. External display issues are still plaguing Catalina as are kernel panic etc. It appears that Apple may be having issues in being able to deal with not only its hardware, but also the mass variants that are not Apple. Having working solution and installing minor dot updates really should not break the baseline, unless some process is actually incorrect.

Unfortunately the 16" is stuck with Catalina and non of the above helps. If you have just purchasedit and its still inside the period consider returning it for a refund. One of my Collegues did exactly this after spending a large sum of $$ on the 16" and even as stock, out of the box, nothing new installed, could not get it to run reliably. So I do understand the frustration, especially if you need to make a living with it then reliability and availability is essential.

 

[naerct]

For the original poster, you can go backwards at least a couple OSs on all but the 2019 MBP. However, I have heard that Mojave will work on the MBP 16. A client wanted a new 16", but was told by Apple it would only work with the 2 latest OSs, 14 & 15. He needed High Sierra for his medium format back, so he got a refurbished 2017, and I put High Sierra on it for him, no problem. Copies of the old OSs are available from Apple, you just have to ask Google. Then, make certain it's the full version which is around 6GB for Mojave. Then just do a clean install and add you apps and mail and drivers for for peripherals. I don't have the S2 chip as my youngest Mac is 2012 MBP, but I have heard about some problems and some solutions. After 2017, there was noting replaceable inside, so I will probably build a Hacintosh next. I can't afford any of the new hardware, and my 5.1 cMP 12-core is plenty fast with dual NVMe drive at PCI3 speeds and 5 spindles running at 450MB/s in RAID5 for storage. The big reason for me to use Mac hardware is the macOS.

 

[chrfr]

For the original poster, you can go backwards at least a couple OSs on all but the 2019 MBP. However, I have heard that Mojave will work on the MBP 16. A client wanted a new 16", but was told by Apple it would only work with the 2 latest OSs, 14 & 15.

Mojave absolutely does not work on the 2019 16”.

 

[TiggrToo]

I don’t understand why some people claim macOS Catalina works flawlessly well for them, it’s not true,

So, we're all lying then. Is that your accusation?

Well, you got us rumbled. We're all paid $1,000,000 a year to post only good things about Apple. Dang it, you found us out.... /s

 

[CTHarrryH]

I have no real problems with my Mac on the latest MacOS and I like the ease that it works with my iPad and iPhone. I used many years of windows machines and I don't think any worked as well as my Mac. Wife uses a new laptop with latest Windows 10 and a lot more issues than I do with Mac. It also came filed with lots of junk applications and games we had to get rid of.

 

[iOS Geek]

Well Catalina works flawlessly for me across all devices, not saying it is perfect, but your definition, flawless it is.

Exactly. Just because this person is having issues, it doesn't mean everyone else is. Quite honestly...I haven't had a single problem with Catalina. iOS 13, on the other hand...that's another story!

 

[Ethosik]

Probably related to the T2 chip and bridgeOS, still can’t believe it. It’s not normal. I did a clean install and I still have issues with the same apps developed by Apple, and external devices.

Its not. My 2019 i9 iMac suffers from this as well. It only has issues when I hook up secondary monitors. And this iMac does not have T2
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Exactly. Just because this person is having issues, it doesn't mean everyone else is. Quite honestly...I haven't had a single problem with Catalina. iOS 13, on the other hand...that's another story!

I don't understand the point of these types of posts. Microsoft in the last couple of years released an update the deleted user's Documents folder. Did everyone and their grandma experience this issue? No, yet it was encountered enough that Microsoft pulled the update to prevent others from experiencing the issue.

Just because you are running Catalina just fine, does not mean there is no issues going on. This multiple display and kernel panics issue is very wide spread and is in the Senior Engineers list now. So obviously SOMETHING is wrong here.

I have had nothing but bad experiences with Catalina. If you are running it without issues, great! But Apple acknowledges that there is an issue. I had had just as many crashes and freezes as I did when using Windows ME. Did some people run Windows ME without issues? Yes, but its still known as one of the worse Windows OS releases. Are some people running Catalina just fine? Yes

 

[Bending Pixels]

Windows makes me say naughty things. ?

 

[iOS Geek]

Just because you are running Catalina just fine, does not mean there is no issues going on.

Umm...at literally no point did I say me not having issues means no one else does. If that’s the way you want to go with this, you should tell the OP that him having issues doesn’t mean everyone does. It was my response to the OP who said it “can’t be true” for anyone to say it’s working flawlessly. I haven’t had any of the problems...which means it’s true for ME. For me...there are no issues. For others...not the case.

I never had any of the email issues that people on iOS 13 have said they e had ever since it came out...but just because I am not dealing with it...doesn’t mean no one else is.

 

[XNorth]

My experience has been been the exact opposite of the OP. My Windows machines have sucked In terms of software and build quality.

I have 4 MacBook Pros and two 2017 Windows laptops, an HP and a Dell XPS 15. Windows needed constant troubleshooting and was a PIA to maintain. Both laptops stopped working after their warranty expired. Geek Squad quoted $500-$700 to repair each, so I never bother to have them fixed. I will probably sell them for parts.

All my MacBooks are running flawlessly. They just work. The oldest MBP is a late 2013 and it’s still going strong.

At work we have Dells and Macs, the Macs‘ longevity have outlasted every Dell.

 

[tomi03]

It’s not a contest about popularity, it’s a post about issues on macOS Catalina when you are using apps developed by Apple (Logic Pro X, Xcode, Compressor, the operating system at itself, etc), third party apps, and external devices.

The issues exist, maybe not when you are using a MacBook Pro or iMac for simple tasks but as soon you start to do something that requires “more” the issues appear and ruin all your work, and experience.

 

[BigMcGuire]

So, we're all lying then. Is that your accusation?

Well, you got us rumbled. We're all paid $1,000,000 a year to post only good things about Apple. Dang it, you found us out.... /s

I thought we weren't supposed to mention this?! That was part of the agreement when getting these checks! I think the last memo was to also mention how great Tim Cook was and how great of a leader he is.

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My 2017 MBP is great (best laptop I've ever used), I used it for several years before getting a Windows desktop a few months ago as my primary machine (due to working at home and all of my work being windows). My windows desktop has 0 problems and I absolutely love it.

My iPad and iPhone are such great devices, I think I'll be using them instead of a Macbook Pro. I just like being able to game with a graphics card and work natively on Windows. I used Parallel for years and while it wasn't bad, it was not super fast, especially when compiling 500k file source code builds.

I've had the most un-Apple like experience on Mac OS but I still see it as a refined, stay out of the way, works out of the box, plays nicely with above average software. But I know Windows better than the back of my hand so... lol.

What I'm loving now is using both.

I can pop open my MBP when I want to and game on my custom built desktop if I want to. Can't get better than this! Now if I could just iMessage and answer phone calls on my Windows PC...

Windows 10 on a Ryzen 3600x, 64GB of 3200 ram, and 1TB NVME just screams. Fastest machine I've ever used.

Oh... Tim Cook is an amazing leader and a very wonderful person.

 

[imrazor]

I recently bought a 16" Macbook Pro, and so far have not experienced any of the issues mentioned by the OP. OTOH, so far I haven't even tried to plug in an external monitor (need a dongle for that, #donglelife.) My experience over the years with Apple software has been pretty good, hardware less so. But with the 16", Apple seems to have finally fixed many glaring issues (thermals, unreliable keyboard, etc.) so I shan't complain for the moment.

If the OP can't return the laptop, maybe they should just install Boot Camp to as large a partition as possible, and convert the MBP into a Windows laptop. For me Boot Camp, and the ability to run Windows apps and games, is a big selling point of modern Macs.

For those who can appreciate the irony:

The Best Windows Laptop

 

[Taz Mangus]

It’s not a contest about popularity, it’s a post about issues on macOS Catalina when you are using apps developed by Apple (Logic Pro X, Xcode, Compressor, the operating system at itself, etc), third party apps, and external devices.

The issues exist, maybe not when you are using a MacBook Pro or iMac for simple tasks but as soon you start to do something that requires “more” the issues appear and ruin all your work, and experience.

You completely missed the point @FHoff made. It is evident from your response.