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Originally posted by IJ Reilly
Quite true, this should be seen as a demonstration of a technology, not a feature. (How well I remember all the oohs and ahhs when Be demonstrated the ability to run movies in a rotating cube, not that anyone would ever want to do such a thing). OTOH, knowing Microsoft, you can count on them to use this technology to create some useless or downright annoying feature, because, well, that's what they do best.

I guess criticising the capablility of Long horn to make you dizzy with screen effects is no different to criticising a Renault doing a 320mph sprint down the straight at Brands Hatch. Like what's the frigging point, my Clio is never going to do that sort of speed. The point is it looks great and the humble Clio could get somewhere close if the Renault boys got their hands on it and applied what they knew!

Fortunately the MS boys seem to have to undergo a design front-end labotamy after coming up with a piece of technical wizadry.
 
without defending m$ in any way but have you noticed that this video is propably a fake ?
that kind of animation is a feature of movie maker.... just notice that.
wanted to share the knowledge.( dunno if knowledge is the right word, anyway :D )
 
Originally posted by maradong
without defending m$ in any way but have you noticed that this video is propably a fake ?
that kind of animation is a feature of movie maker.... just notice that.
wanted to share the knowledge.( dunno if knowledge is the right word, anyway :D )

It wasn't a video. It was a PC running an alpha version of Longhorn.
 
who cares about the effect, i want the processor that pushes the software!!!
man i hope apple can catch up.

please note: that effect is a demonstration of what the software can do, no one ever said that they were going to incorporate that specific effect into the user experience.

the big issue here is that they have the software and the HARDWARE to run it.
 
Originally posted by beatle888
please note: that effect is a demonstration of what the software can do, no one ever said that they were going to incorporate that specific effect into the user experience.

Note that Schiller was peeved because their new graphics engine is suspiciously similar to Quartz.

So they've simply taken another great Apple innovation and stolen it, applied a faster processor to it and shown off their uglyass graphics design and effects that are worthless.

Impressive, I agree. But so is billyboy's Renault going supersonic. Doesn't mean the car will be able to get him to work everyday or carry his groceries.

Assume for one minute that Apple never fell behind [fell down?] in the MHz race. Wouldn't Apple's usage of this sort of power be MUCH more impressive, practical and elegant?
 
I think it's fair to say that the flapping window effect looks pretty cool. So does Genie (or Suck, which I prefer) in slow-mo.

Looks is the operative word here.

I'd love it if my Mac COULD do that, but I'd sure as hell never leave the feature on because it'd be tremendously annoying if I was ever trying to get something done. It is less useful than a minimize effect (which at least shows you something--where the object is going--with the eye candy), but I assume MS would let you turn it off, so it's really a wash.

The point of the demo (particuarly the stupid swimming window one) is to demonstrate what is possible when you make the interface a 3D composited layer using a 3D graphics card.

And the important thing is, Quartz, though not currently quite that full featured in its use of a 3D engine, can do that too, and it can do it now. Apple hasn't bothered yet, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if an extreme 3rd party hack could produce something like that, or will be able to soon.

Oh, and a word on XP--it's probably very easy to set up for a begining user. With the billions MS has, it'd better be. The more you know, the more you hate it, is the refrain I've heard from everyone I know--even not so advanced computer users. X, however, is tremendously easy to set up, and even easier to learn for a beginner--I've seen that at work many times. X, on the other hand, gets even more fun the more you know. And we've got at least two major OS revisions (counting 10.3) on the way before Longhorn is even scheduled to ship... and you know how punctual MS is about making ship dates.

Sorry, MS, I'll take power now, more power later, and a big ol' lack of Paladium et al, regardless of the cost.
 
Déjà vu...

Those videos make me think of Minority Report. How cool would it be if we could just use our hands to move windows around on a desktop instead of pointing, clicking, dragging, letting go, etc.

Like others said, it's just trying to boast the powerfulness of the Longhorn 3D engine. They're trying to push the limits of today's hardware.

Quartz cannot do anything like that except genie/scale effect. But that's the only practical application of Quartz so far. But if you can prove you can do fluid motions exactly like those in videos in Mac OS X--as in other than genie/scale effects, please feel free to do so.
 
I have to say...

It does look pretty cool... but is ultimately useless as a productive feature.

It's like one of those third party apps you download, install, use for 2 days and then remove because it doesn't increase productivity.

Still the OS X influence is being felt...
 
Originally posted by cubist
Maybe not. Remember Cairo was supposed to have all those features too... it was all just FUD. Probably everything Microsoft is saying about Longhorn is just FUD too. They're a monopolist. Monopolies are all about enforcing and entrenching the status quo, holding back the pace of technological improvement. That is what Microsoft has been doing for the last 10 years.

Think for a moment: What operating system feature is present in XP that is a signficant advance over what was available in Windows NT 3.1? There aren't any! Oh, yes, the GUI's changed. That was changed 8 years ago in Windows 95.

I worked for years on a NT 4.0 machine and it was one of the most stable os's for it's time. it rarely crashed on me. so don't go bashing NT. I could tell you stories of things i did on my dual processor NT machine 5 years ago that I could only dream of doing that on my mac, those days.

Just trie to be a little bit more objective people...
 
Originally posted by frozenstar
It wasn't a video. It was a PC running an alpha version of Longhorn.

It's a .mov file, therefore it's a video. It's possible that the entire video file is faked, so that it looks like a PC running Longhorn.
 
Originally posted by coolbreeze
How on earth are the effects in the last two videos useful in any way whatsoever? Someone please explain what twirling windows and movies does for anyone (other than showboating)? I can see some kids sitting around eating Skittles and beef jerky saying "dude, look at how my GeForce 5 renders this sh*t in Longhorn!!!"

Truly ridiculous.:rolleyes:

It was to show developers how you can take advantage of the longhorn graphics engine, it's not like its going to be a feayure in windows.

(oh, somebody allready wrote this, maby i should read trough the whole topic before posting)
 
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