Windows PCs are better than Macs.

[iHorseHead]

Hey!
My problem is that I have M1 MacBook Air and everybody's always telling how perfect it is and how perfect Apple's ecosystem is and everything syncs seamlessly and Macs never crash.
I went to sleep last night and my computer did absolutely nothing and I woke up to this:

What happened. I don't know. Also, my MSI laptop is faster and it can play games that my MacBook can't. My MSI boots up faster, Visual Studio opens faster, Chrome opens faster and in general it's faster and Unity exports games faster.

What really made me post now is that Photos don't work on Mac. It doesn't sync all of the photos from my iPhone. I've been waiting and Googling for hours and the Mac Photos simply doesn't sync. It says it's up to date. I can see photos on my iPhone and on my iCloud, but they dont appear on my Mac's Photos app. I think Google Photos isn't any worse than iCloud Photos. For real. Even though I'm happy with my iPhone I feel like I would've been happy with Android too as I've been before. I just don't see this "seamless" and trouble free life that everyone's talking about while bashing Windows PCs here.

 

[The_Interloper]

Kernel panic overnight while performing a task while Mac is sleeping, probably. I have had that literally dozens of times on two M1 Minis I had (one was 8Gb, the other 16Gb). Returned both. It's beta hardware (with a buggy OS) as far as I'm concerned. Completely knocked out my networking (required a reset) on two occasions as well.

Meanwhile, my Ryzen PC continues to trundle along, month after month, without a BSOD in sight. And to think this is how Apple still represents a PC (humorously? arrogantly? You choose!) in Finder:

 

[TopherMan12]

So your Mac crashed and you are having issues with syncing with your Photo app? And you have another computer that is faster than your M1 Mac. You really thought that warranted a thread with this title?

 

[iHorseHead]

So your Mac crashed and you are having issues with syncing with your Photo app? And you have another computer that is faster than your M1 Mac. You really thought that warranted a thread with this title?

The kernel panics have happened quite a lot. M1 Macs dont seem to be as amazing as people say they are on this forum.

 

[TopherMan12]

The kernel panics have happened quite a lot. M1 Macs dont seem to be as amazing as people say they are on this forum.

I haven't had a single one though. So does your anecdotal experience trump mine?

 

[iHorseHead]

I haven't had a single one though. So does your anecdotal experience trump mine?

The user above me has had those experiences as well. Not gonna argue with you. Bye bye

 

[Bubble99]

The kernel panics have happened quite a lot. M1 Macs dont seem to be as amazing as people say they are on this forum.

The problem with Apple is it is very hit and miss.

Say leopard vs snow leopard. Using leopard was buggy as hell but snow leopard was way more stable than say windows.

Look at Lion more buggy and mountain lion more stable.

I hear lot of people say that big sur is more buggy than sierra.

Apple is very hit and miss.

And it is sad because windows out of the box and Linux have to support millions of hardware where Apple have very little hardware selection.

So fact that windows and Linux work is even amazing.

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[TopherMan12]

The user above me has had those experiences as well. Not gonna argue with you. Bye bye

Plenty of others here have not had experiences such as these. You'll ignore those though. Bye then.

 

[polyphenol]

My experience of Windows is that you can have a roomful of computers and some of them seem to run reliably, month after month, year after year, while others seize, crash and generally perform poorly. (Just adding, sometimes these machines are so similar they have sequential serial numbers; sometimes entirely different.)

(Windows has, overall, improved enormously. Getting away from the DOS underpinnings helped and 64-bit addressing with adequate memory too.)

Of my two current Windows machines, one very occasionally suddenly crashes out completely. The other never misses a beat. And my very new M1 Mac mini has **so far** been as stable as can be.

 

[Feyl]

I've been using Macs since 2011 and I loved every Mac I had. Currently I have 2019 MacBook Air and M1 Mac mini. I have no kernel panics, no syncing issues or anything like that on both of them. Everything works great.

However I'm Windows user too, so I can tell that Windows is generally faster and more responsive than macOS even on technically slower hardware. It wasn't always like that, but Apple's software quality is not what it used to be as it was just a few years ago. My first experience with the Mac was when OS X Leopard came out and one of the reasons I loved it so much was that it was actually faster and more responsive than Windows.

It sucks that your experience is not that great. Regarding the kernel panic, try to delete all Rosetta apps and see if it occurs again without them. If no, I'd say wait until the apps will be updated for M1 or use different apps. My advice for Photos is to plug in your MacBook into the charger, open Photos.app, click on Library tab and scroll at the end and see if it's indexing your photos. If yes, leave it charging and wait until it's done.

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

My experience of Windows is that you can have a roomful of computers and some of them seem to run reliably, month after month, year after year, while others seize, crash and generally perform poorly. (Just adding, sometimes these machines are so similar they have sequential serial numbers; sometimes entirely different.)

(Windows has, overall, improved enormously. Getting away from the DOS underpinnings helped and 64-bit addressing with adequate memory too.)

Of my two current Windows machines, one very occasionally suddenly crashes out completely. The other never misses a beat. And my very new M1 Mac mini has **so far** been as stable as can be.

Apple runs its own OS on its own hardware.
Windows runs on a myriad of combinations of hardware (most of it not designed by Microsoft). That seems an explanation why one Windows machine is stable and another maybe not.

But how can we explain that one M1 runs stable and the other not? It seems the OP has a lot of crashes and another poster has not. And that on the same hardware with the same OS?

 

[TopherMan12]

Apple runs its own OS on its own hardware.
Windows runs on a myriad of combinations of hardware.
That seems an explanation why one Windows machine is stable and another maybe not.
But how can we explain that one M1 runs stable and the other not?

You could ask the same question of Surface laptops/tablets. Some have issues while most do not.

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

You could ask the same question of Surface laptops/tablets. Some have issues while most do not.

That is called a deflective answer . But indeed I could ask that question as well. But do you have a solution? I certainly don't.

 

[TopherMan12]

That is called a deflective answer . But I could ask that question as well. But do you have a solution? I certainly don't.

Actually it wasn't an attempt at an answer at all. Your scenario was that "Apple runs its own OS on its own hardware" while Windows runs on a "myriad of combinations of hardware". My point is that is not necessarily true.

Microsoft run its own OS on its own hardware as well. So the "explanation why one Windows machine is stable and another maybe not" doesn't always apply.

As far as the answer, I imagine it is probably a number of variables particularly having to do with the software the user is running.

My experience of Windows is that you can have a roomful of computers and some of them seem to run reliably, month after month, year after year, while others seize, crash and generally perform poorly. (Just adding, sometimes these machines are so similar they have sequential serial numbers; sometimes entirely different.)

(Windows has, overall, improved enormously. Getting away from the DOS underpinnings helped and 64-bit addressing with adequate memory too.)

Of my two current Windows machines, one very occasionally suddenly crashes out completely. The other never misses a beat. And my very new M1 Mac mini has **so far** been as stable as can be.

I have three Windows PC and one M1 Mac. I rarely have a problem with any of them. Personally, I think both Windows and Mac are both extremely reliable.

 

[Steve Adams]

The mJesus is the best computer ever. Haven't you heard spaceX uses a single Mjesus to run the rockets, nav, ground control etc. Wikipedia is also ran by a single Mjesus with external HDs on it. It's THAT AWESOME!

In all seriousness @iHorseHead , It comes back to blind fanboyism. That's what you have to deal with in "centric" forums. Instead of finding out why, you get the basic rinse and repeat of YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. I tried the mac side of things THREE TIMES. I WANTED to like it and have that so called "seamless" integration that the fans keep harping on about. Each time being disspointed with silly things that just work (eghads) in windows. Add in the fact that an underperforming mac is 30 percent more expensive than a comparable PC at the time, and I just said enough is enough. I am 100 percent happy with my "crappy" PC's. My advice is to sell your M1 for what you paid for it, (yes that is no problem to do), and run your MSI and be a happy camper!

 

[BigMcGuire]

It is ignorance to think that your experience is the same as everyone else. I've used Windows since birth and Mac since 2011. Both have their problems. Yes, Windows is knocking the "snappy" feel out of the ballpark over the last few years. Yes, Mac OS has gotten a lot more buggy over the last few years imo. Most of my family/friends come to me for tech advice and help. I spent the last few months trying to help my brother figure out why he was getting WHEA-18 system crashes on his gaming PC (turns out it was AMD adrenaline graphics drivers causing the problem (but we probably spent 2 days worth of time trying to figure this out)). I spend a lot more time trying to fix PCs than I do Macs. For most people Macs work a lot better (not talking gamers). Are they perfect? Nope. When Macs don't work, it's hell to try to figure out why.

 

[pi=e=3]

The user above me has had those experiences as well. Not gonna argue with you. Bye bye

I don't have any issues with mine either.

Windows is a horrible mishmash of ancient bits and pieces with the occasional fresh coat of paint slapped over it. If I never had to use it, I'd be happy, but alas, in my field all software is Windows based.

 

[maflynn]

You could ask the same question of Surface laptops/tablets. Some have issues while most do not.

That's not entirely accurate. Yes, MS has designed its own laptop, but the fact is that windows isn't specifically customized to run that hardware and only that hardware so it can be optimized. Its still needs to run a wide gamut of new and old hardware and given the complexity and varied nature of what hardware it can and does run, its pretty amazing.

As for the M1, I don't own one, but seeing the ARM forum, its a solid computer. At a time when Apple announced its transition from Intel to ARM, they needed to show the world that they can produce a capable processor. They not only showed the world a capable processor, but stunned the industry with a blazingly fast processor that stretches battery life to inconceivable time spans.


I'm truly impressed with the M1 Macs, while the platform is not the best fit for my needs, and wants, that doesn't mean I'll bad mouth it. I think they're a great machine and I can't wait to see what Apple does for the 16" MBP.

 

[polyphenol]

You could ask the same question of Surface laptops/tablets. Some have issues while most do not.

My Surface, hmmm. Had to have a replacement as the original became unusuable - video funnies. Microsoft got me to video the screen to confirm.

The replacement has, mostly, been OK, but a handful of times has suddenly simply gone entirely blank. But not quite like a power-down/power-off as it seems to retain something - more like forced into sleep then wakes.

Also, runs far too hot for my liking.

 

[polyphenol]

That's not entirely accurate. Yes, MS has designed its own laptop, but the fact is that windows isn't specifically customized to run that hardware and only that hardware so it can be optimized. Its still needs to run a wide gamut of new and old hardware and given the complexity and varied nature of what hardware it can and does run, its pretty amazing.

As for the M1, I don't own one, but seeing the ARM forum, its a solid computer. At a time when Apple announced its transition from Intel to ARM, they needed to show the world that they can produce a capable processor. They not only showed the world a capable processor, but stunned the industry with a blazingly fast processor that stretches battery life to inconceivable time spans.
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I'm truly impressed with the M1 Macs, while the platform is not the best fit for my needs, and wants, that doesn't mean I'll bad mouth it. I think they're a great machine and I can't wait to see what Apple does for the 16" MBP.

Have you considered the ARM-based Microsoft Surface? I think that really is a case of being their hardware and very much the target.

But on the Apple front, we have to accept that MacOS wasn't written from the ground up for M1. I really don't know how much remains from earlier incarnations on different hardware? Any code left from Motorola? PowerPC?

 

[TopherMan12]

I WANTED to like it and have that so called "seamless" integration that the fans keep harping on about.

Yeah, the integration is the single biggest reason I bought a Mac. I like Windows and Android just fine, but they simply do not work together like Apple's devices. My Mac, iPhone, and Apple Watch all work together whether it is using the watch for MFA or answer a phone call or sending iMessage on my Mac and so on. I wanted all that with Windows and I bought into the Samsung-Windows integration but it is really isn't close to what Apple does with their devices.

At the same time, I'm not about to give up my gaming PC. Gaming on Mac is horrid. PC gives me the freedom to choose whatever hardware I want for my rig whereas Mac, obviously, does not.

So I have two personal instances of where I find one platform "better" than the other. But that's just me

That's not entirely accurate. Yes, MS has designed its own laptop, but the fact is that windows isn't specifically customized to run that hardware and only that hardware so it can be optimized. Its still needs to run a wide gamut of new and old hardware and given the complexity and varied nature of what hardware it can and does run, its pretty amazing.

My follow up post was more in line with what I was trying to say than my initial one. The point I’m making is that you can have two instances of the exact same machine running the exact same operating system and one has issues while the other does not. Surface is the closest example of this on the Windows side as Microsoft controls the hardware, drivers, QA, etc. No, not entirely the same as Mac, granted.

 

[polyphenol]

But how can we explain that one M1 runs stable and the other not? It seems the OP has a lot of crashes and another poster has not. And that on the same hardware with the same OS?

I don't know - but I have seen exactly the same on Windows hardware.

There are some obvious things to check, though, especially on the M1 Mac mini which doesn't have the advanatge of a battery acting as a UPS, such as the power supply and mains issues.

Not suggesting this answer for the specific case, but in the generality of such issues, even how well plugged in the mains lead is!

 

[GSWForever8]

Hey!
My problem is that I have M1 MacBook Air and everybody's always telling how perfect it is and how perfect Apple's ecosystem is and everything syncs seamlessly and Macs never crash.
I went to sleep last night and my computer did absolutely nothing and I woke up to this:
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What happened. I don't know. Also, my MSI laptop is faster and it can play games that my MacBook can't. My MSI boots up faster, Visual Studio opens faster, Chrome opens faster and in general it's faster and Unity exports games faster.

What really made me post now is that Photos don't work on Mac. It doesn't sync all of the photos from my iPhone. I've been waiting and Googling for hours and the Mac Photos simply doesn't sync. It says it's up to date. I can see photos on my iPhone and on my iCloud, but they dont appear on my Mac's Photos app. I think Google Photos isn't any worse than iCloud Photos. For real. Even though I'm happy with my iPhone I feel like I would've been happy with Android too as I've been before. I just don't see this "seamless" and trouble free life that everyone's talking about while bashing Windows PCs here.

I switched from a pc to a mac. Mac has better battery life and integration with my iDevices. On mac, if I wanted to share a photo or file, I just airdrop it to myself, where as on PC, I had to email it to myself. Also, Finder is much, much better than file explorer. I could go on, but in my opinion macOS is better.

 

[javanate]

I haven't had a single one though. So does your anecdotal experience trump mine?

This is the correct answer to this thread.

By the way, games crash constantly on my PC and quite often it's a complete system crash/freeze. Everytime it sleeps it screws up all my windows and often some things don't appear to reload correctly and I have to restart. My sound bugs out all the time. Why do I have ads in my OS?

I haven't even restarted my M1 Mac except to install an update since I bought it lol

 

[Bubble99]

Also for OP are you using

Apple runs its own OS on its own hardware.
Windows runs on a myriad of combinations of hardware (most of it not designed by Microsoft). That seems an explanation why one Windows machine is stable and another maybe not.

But how can we explain that one M1 runs stable and the other not? It seems the OP has a lot of crashes and another poster has not. And that on the same hardware with the same OS?

Quality control.

Just like why Microsoft surface laptops that are hand made by Microsoft engineers have problems.

Get Apple and Microsoft to stop pushing feature updates every year in the OS but just bug fixes and vulnerabilities.

Even a feature update every two years is too much.