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Windows XP Booting on Mac Contest Over
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I'm glad to see someone has finally gotten this working, even though I won't be buying an Intel Mac for a while now.
I have a triple boot on my Dell right now -- XP, 98, and Fedora Linux, though I am not sure the Linux is working right now. Multibooting isn't that inconvenient, really, and if this proves to be safe, I would seriously think about sticking Windows on an Intel Mac just to have it there for blue moon occasions and gaming, as the aforementioned Dell is starting to get a little old and I have no desire to buy another.
I have a triple boot on my Dell right now -- XP, 98, and Fedora Linux, though I am not sure the Linux is working right now. Multibooting isn't that inconvenient, really, and if this proves to be safe, I would seriously think about sticking Windows on an Intel Mac just to have it there for blue moon occasions and gaming, as the aforementioned Dell is starting to get a little old and I have no desire to buy another.
This is great news, but does not affect me right now as I don't have an Intel Mac yet. Also to every one that says you will get viruses. If people are smart enough to dual boot they are smart enough to know how to not get viruses. I used XP from the time it came out to last summer and never once did I get a virus, because I don't click on random links or download anything stupid. And I ran a virus scan of EVERYTHING I downloaded. Also you could just unplug your internet when you are using XP if you are that worried.
I want to be able to game with the same comp that I use daily.
I want to be able to game with the same comp that I use daily.
All the people wanting to game...
Is the x1600 (or whatever it is) even capable of playing HL2 and other semi-demanding games?
Is the x1600 (or whatever it is) even capable of playing HL2 and other semi-demanding games?
So what's the big deal? Apple already has a box that was designed from the ground up to run both Windows and the Mac OS. All you need to do is get your hands on one of these babies and you're good to go, games and all. Well, it's not exactly dual-core, but it has two processors...
In any event, if running Windows on an Intel Mac was something Apple really wanted to happen, they would have designed it that way. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one of the next OS updates (or Mac Intel firmware update) breaks it. Regardless of the oft-quoted Schiller remark, I can't see much of an upside for Apple and a lot of potential downsides (i.e., endless debates as to what was responsible for hosing the machine, OS X or Windows?). And there is still the yet-to-be-addressed issue of Microsoft's Virtual PC for the Mac, which seems to be in a state of suspended animation right now, but that doesn't mean MS doesn't have a vested interest in bringing it to the Intel Mac platform as the exclusive solution for running Windows (XP or Vista) on a Mac.
That said, I admire whoever got this to work. Nice bit of hacking - but I wouldn't count on the celebration going on for very long.
In any event, if running Windows on an Intel Mac was something Apple really wanted to happen, they would have designed it that way. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one of the next OS updates (or Mac Intel firmware update) breaks it. Regardless of the oft-quoted Schiller remark, I can't see much of an upside for Apple and a lot of potential downsides (i.e., endless debates as to what was responsible for hosing the machine, OS X or Windows?). And there is still the yet-to-be-addressed issue of Microsoft's Virtual PC for the Mac, which seems to be in a state of suspended animation right now, but that doesn't mean MS doesn't have a vested interest in bringing it to the Intel Mac platform as the exclusive solution for running Windows (XP or Vista) on a Mac.
That said, I admire whoever got this to work. Nice bit of hacking - but I wouldn't count on the celebration going on for very long.
Another point I've been thinking of, is why would Microsoft care about this? They don't make computers, it's just more software for them to sell. As for an Apple update coming out in the near future to disable/break this... if that happens, there will always be a fix by hackers, etc.
Sortof like why OS X doesn't have serial numbers to mess around with, Apple knows that people will steal the OS no matter what, and find ways around activation and whatnot.
Sortof like why OS X doesn't have serial numbers to mess around with, Apple knows that people will steal the OS no matter what, and find ways around activation and whatnot.
VanNess said:
I don't think Apple is going to try to stop it in future updates. Running Windows only helps them, because there are a ton of people out there who would buy a Mac if they can run Windows....now they can.
This is a win-win for Microsoft and Apple judging by what people want to dual boot.The only legal way to dual boot now is with Windows on an Apple.
However I think the long term affects developerwise wont be truly known for another year since Apple and Microsoft both will be shifting to different stuff by then..Who knows what might happen.Apple could release an update to Tiger or Leopard that changes the EFI and thus puts a halt to the dual-boot..
In the near-mid term things look good for those wanting to use OSX and Windows on a Mac..I'm sure the video driver issue will be a non-issue within a week...
It will be quit interesting to see the first real benchmarks for both OS's..
Didn't one of the testers say his Mini was on par with a Dual 2.8 P4 ?
However I think the long term affects developerwise wont be truly known for another year since Apple and Microsoft both will be shifting to different stuff by then..Who knows what might happen.Apple could release an update to Tiger or Leopard that changes the EFI and thus puts a halt to the dual-boot..
In the near-mid term things look good for those wanting to use OSX and Windows on a Mac..I'm sure the video driver issue will be a non-issue within a week...
It will be quit interesting to see the first real benchmarks for both OS's..
Didn't one of the testers say his Mini was on par with a Dual 2.8 P4 ?
Backtothemac said:
This will not affect sales, or developers. Its a hack. When apple does this natively and they sell XP on their dual boot machines from the store then worry. Until then most people won't even attempt this, BUT I WILL!!
mulletman13 said:
yes, an Acer 8204 w/ 2.0ghz Core duo and x1600 has a 3dmark 05 result of 4157. My Dell desktop w/ 2.4ghz P4 and GeForce 6800 has an avg 3dmark of 3000. And that computer handles games like BattleField 2, Call of Duty 2, HL2 without any trouble.
Peace said:Multiply that by 10,000 and you have whats called a movement!!
Upon hearing this news, I think I had a movement.
mainstreetmark said:
Are you crazy? The Mac 128K would get universally negative reviews.
"Mouse? WTF is a mouse, and where does Apple get these retarded names?"
"********. It doesn't even have a hard drive. My Lisa can fit ten Twiggy disks on the hard drive. And it doesn't have any expansion capabilities. Millions of options are available for my Lisa. Show me something impressive, Steve. At this rate, I won't be upgrading for years."
"Apple is switching to square pixels? Worst... mistake... ever."
"Look at that bloated worthless excuse for an OS. Think of how much power you'd have running just Microsoft BASIC or something light like that."
"It's only 6MHz faster than my Apple III. Lousy speed bump."
"It's... not... backward-compatible. It can't run Apple II or III or Lisa programs? And wtf is that little slot on the front of the machine. I know that ain't for floppies. Not my floppies. Great, Steve. I spent $360,512 on software that just became absolutely worthless. **** it, I'm switching to Osborne."
"OMG LOL integrated monitor? 9 inches? I wonder if I could hack in a 10 if I got a curling iron and a heavy-duty stapler."
"Lame. That GUI makes it look like a little girl's toy. If I used something with a GUI, I'd have deep questions about my heterosexuality."
"Yeah, but will it run XENIX?"
"You're an idiot fanboy if you think this was a positive step. Steve's RDF is clearly going to his head. They'll let that idiot do anything now."
"Sorry. Sony already patented Burrell Smith."
This should really be a thread of its own.
Wow, I totally forgot about those old macs that had intel chips inside them. You guys remember Orange PC cards? I always thought it would be cool to have one, but me being merely 13 years old, it was pretty hard to convince my dad that I really needed one.
I remember the first day that I finally got my Centris and Performa in separate rooms networked together over AppleTalk...THAT was a glorious day. It looks like we've finally hit another glorious day. [Puts in Weezer's Green Album and turns on "Glorious Day."] Look how far we've come!!!!!!
And my two cents: I am thrilled about this. I only see good things coming out of this. I was forced to get Windows for work and must admit that some of its features are growing on me. I want both of them on one computer.
I remember the first day that I finally got my Centris and Performa in separate rooms networked together over AppleTalk...THAT was a glorious day. It looks like we've finally hit another glorious day. [Puts in Weezer's Green Album and turns on "Glorious Day."] Look how far we've come!!!!!!
And my two cents: I am thrilled about this. I only see good things coming out of this. I was forced to get Windows for work and must admit that some of its features are growing on me. I want both of them on one computer.
Alright. Who's cooking the crow, then?iMeowbot said:
And, IJ Reilly, would you like some ketchup with that?