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ipedro said:
By creating a library of music in iTunes, users have become loyal to that application and by extension to the iPod. They've gone on to buy more iPods and then the iPhone and now :apple:TV. Take that library out of the equation (and you would be doing that by having live TV on :apple:TV) and users have no reason to go out and buy more Apple hardware.
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I disagree here, say you recorded tonight's BSG's new ep (Yippe!:D). You watched the first half live and couldn't finish. Then you just shoot the rest over to your MBP or iPhone to take with you on the road. It gives people more of a reason to buy Apple, not less.

I don't want to hijack this thread, I'm interested to here what owners think needs to be improved upon in it's current state. I want an :apple:TV, just not ready to buy until it becomes a true TV application, and not just a storefront.
 
Tilpots said:
I want an :apple:TV, just not ready to buy until it becomes a true TV application, and not just a storefront.
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I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say this. The :apple:TV isn't "just a storefront." Of course Apple talks up the iTunes Store purchase and rental aspects of the device, but it is possible, with some work and time investment, to put your own entertainment media in formats that can be used by the :apple:TV and never even use the iTunes Store, which to me does make the device a "true TV application." Unless you have a different definition?

Regards,
Michael
 
I'd also like to see a more in depth AirTunes integration.

It would be great to play something on one :apple:TV and then instruct all the other :apple:TV's in the house to play the same thing.

You can do that now but it all has to be controlled from iTunes on a computer.

At the very least, allow :apple:TV to send its audio feed to AirPort Express.

My :apple:TV is in the living room and I'd like to be able to pipe that audio into the bedroom, workout room, bathroom :)D)...
 
mallbritton said:
I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say this. The :apple:TV isn't "just a storefront." Of course Apple talks up the iTunes Store purchase and rental aspects of the device, but it is possible, with some work and time investment, to put your own entertainment media in formats that can be used by the :apple:TV and never even use the iTunes Store, which to me does make the device a "true TV application." Unless you have a different definition?

Regards,
Michael
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Most people use a TV to watch TV, live. Not possible over the :apple:TV. What about flipping channels to catch several shows at once? Not possible with the :apple:TV. More and more, people are watching TV using their DVR device, not possible with :apple:TV. I'm just saying that for most people's main use of their TV, the :apple:TV doesn't cut it.

As you say, with effort, you can watch movies on your :apple:TV without the iTMS, but wouldn't you rather save all that hassle and stick the DVD in the device to play it?
 
Tilpots said:
More and more, people are watching TV using their DVR device, not possible with :apple:TV.
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Yes it is. Except you don't have to record it. You simply go to iTunes and buy that particular show. All a DVR is doing is sifting through all the junk you get on live TV and picking out the good stuff so you can watch it at your convenience.

How about not getting all the junk to begin with and only downloading (and paying for) what you want to watch on demand?

According to what you're saying, more and more people are watching shows recorded on their DVR's. So inversely, they're watching less and less live TV. That thinking is 100% pro-:apple:TV. :)

Tilpots said:
As you say, with effort, you can watch movies on your :apple:TV without the iTMS, but wouldn't you rather save all that hassle and stick the DVD in the device to play it?
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When you take the DVD out of the equation, it becomes so much easier. According to the reasoning that you suggest, it is a hassle having to buy the DVD > find it on your shelf > take it out of the box > slide it into the player > wait for it to load > wait through legal advisories > get to the main menu > play the movie > watch.

:apple:TV: Go to Movies > Buy or rent the movie from the comfort of your couch > wait for a fraction to download > watch.

Yes, :apple:TV is less convenient if you stick to the old way of doing things. But in that case, you're missing the point. If you embrace the iTunes ecosystem, it is much more convenient and less expensive.

The device you're asking for already exists... in fact hundreds of them exist. Just not one designed by Apple. I doubt your wait for one will be rewarded.
 
I guess there are the people who take the blue pill and others who take the red pill.

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Sure it's nice to live life the way you've always known it and many times, ignorance of other ways of doing things can be bliss.

... then again, there are more ways of looking at your media. Hence the red pill.

You can't have both. You either leave behind the old way of doing things and embrace new philosophies or you maintain the status quo.

Neither is the best answer... just the better answer to different kinds of people.
 
Where did you get the $100 a month on TV from?

I live in the UK, so that's £50. We pay a £130 a year TV license fee. That's about £10.80 a month ($20). Why would I pay for things on iTunes that I can watch on TV?

I think you are missing the point of :apple:TV - it doesn't just offer the ability to buy TV shows, you can store your own stuff on it and stream even more from your Mac. So I can play content I have previously recorded from my Mac on my Apple TV.

As for the Apple TV needing a TV tuner - why not just use your Mac? Get an Eye TV equipped TV Tuner and set it to record what you want. Then export this to .mp4 into iTunes and there you can sync it to your Apple TV.

Not the most convenient thing, but does the job.
 
@ Kilamite $100 is the norm in the US for Cable/Satellite, I pay £70PM (Per Month. It's Rounded Up BTW) for Sky HD with full package (Sports, Movies And All Mixes) Plus £130 a year for license which is £10.80 as you say So all in all £80.80 PM I spend on TV is a good deal NOT.

Now I would buy the ATV is it had a HDTV Tuner at least DVR is second on list, If they want to make it the Media Hub they must (Well must for me) include the HDTV Tuner.

Now to stop my rambling.
 
northy124 said:
@ Kilamite $100 is the norm in the US for Cable/Satellite, I pay £70PM (Per Month. It's Rounded Up BTW) for Sky HD with full package (Sports, Movies And All Mixes) Plus £130 a year for license which is £10.80 as you say So all in all £80.80 PM I spend on TV is a good deal NOT.

Now I would buy the ATV is it had a HDTV Tuner at least DVR is second on list, If they want to make it the Media Hub they must (Well must for me) include the HDTV Tuner.

Now to stop my rambling.
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Yes but you don't have to have the Sky HD package. Basic TV with all freeview channels is £10.80 per month.

That's my comparison.
 
:apple:TV really needs to include dvr. As soon as they got that, I would totally but the :apple: tv.
 
I have several TV shows that I have streaming onto my ATV and I was hoping that they would have a "shuffle" feature to play random episodes on ATV kind of like if you were watching it on Nick at Nite or something.
 
Ability to play VIDEO_TS.
Remote mount a filesystem so you can play its content (without having to hack the machine).
 
The ONLY reason I haven't bought one... is... quite honestly... I want to REPLACE my dvd-player, not add to it!

Why the HECK isn't there a DVD Player in the Apple TV!

It would make it the killer appliance that could REPLACE every DVD Player and STILL give convenience for downloading and accessing online libraries.

Ahhh, Gotta love Apple They know best!!! ;-)
 
There isn't a DVD player because your are meant to rip your DVD's and store them on its hard drive.
 
My updates would be as follows:

1. Remote disc with your Mac (like mac book air has). That way you can use your Mac as the DVD Player if you only want the ATV in the living room. Should only be a software update.
2. I would like the TV Tuner option. I was thinking using the eyetv hybrid like I have on my Mac and that way Apple does not have to develop new hardware. Or allow you to stream the TV signal like I did when I had Xbox 360 and a PC.
 
bigwig said:
That's not a solution.

A) The conversion isn't lossless
B) You lose special features
C) It's more work
D) I just plain like using my DVDs as they come from the factory
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A) So you can tell the difference between 1000kb/s rip and a pure DVD? Okay....
B) Special features? What...do you watch a movie or just play around with the "extras" ? I watch movies. I don't care for extras.
C) More work? Put in a DVD, tell HandBrake to rip it, 40 minutes later it is in your iTunes ready to play.
D) Because they come from the factory...? What have you been sniffing..
 
Kilamite said:
A) So you can tell the difference between 1000kb/s rip and a pure DVD? Okay....
B) Special features? What...do you watch a movie or just play around with the "extras" ? I watch movies. I don't care for extras.
C) More work? Put in a DVD, tell HandBrake to rip it, 40 minutes later it is in your iTunes ready to play.
D) Because they come from the factory...? What have you been sniffing..
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Why wouldn't it be convenient to have both? I personally don't want to wait an hour PER MOVIE to rip them when I have friends over that bring a DVD to watch, or when my Kids come on the weekends with a new movie they want to watch... or if I DO want to watch extras.

I mean, seriously... it's a freaking $30 part that would eliminate the need for yet ANOTHER device.

Not everyone ONLY wants to download and/or rip.

Some of us would like to do both! I don't think it's asking too much to have a CHOICE.

Bottom line is this:

Apple is losing out on several hundred dollars of MY hard earned money because if I can't replace my DVD player with an APPLE TV... I have no NEED for an Apple TV. I have hundreds of movies ripped... and when I want to watch one on the tv... I simply sync one to my iPhone and connect THAT to the TV.

That serves, at least for me, the major component of the Apple TV.

Now... if I can replace my DVD Player AND have access to ALL my films at once... then it's worth it.

If not?

I'll just continue to use my iPhone connected to my TV.
 
^ some people just don't get that Apple is always one step ahead of its time. Physical media is going to end at BluRay if Blu Ray even seriously takes off.

The point is that :apple:TV is the first widespread implementation of "internet TV". You buy and download your media. No physical media in the loop.

Early adopters may have to "suffer" through the transition with their friends still trading DVDs and some titles not being available for download but it'll be worth the ride in the end.

I recall some years back many people crying out for an iPod that also played CDs. See how silly that sounds now? ;)

Apple could certainly ease the transition by introducing Remote DVD like in the MacBook Air and implementing a DVD rip feature in iTunes. The latter probably has legal implications but with regards to the former, I don't see why not...
 
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