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Yes and no.

Yes in terms of main OS updates, 5 years with continuing security patches. However, iOS' main problem is its monolithic nature, locking in many stock apps with the main OS updates. Once your device is dropped from main OS upgrade support, none of the first party apps like Safari get any updates either. So while an iPhone can enjoy great OS support for at least 5 years from its release, after that, it won't even be able to run the latest Safari, which might bear new security concerns.

This is in contrast with Android. Google's efforts in compartmentalizing Android to combat fragmentation has bore great fruits with majority of the stock apps are updateable independently from the main OS update. So while a device might no longer get any main OS update after 3 or 4 years, pretty much most of the stock apps are still updateable and patched (browser, messaging app, etc) indefinitely. Google also took some controls back via Google Play Services updates, which can still be delivered when a device is long out of support. This is how Google managed to drop new features like Nearby Share (Android's take on Airdrop) to old devices running Android 6.
I agree. Samsung’s new Update promise is 4 years of major OS updates and 5 years of security updates. This really isn’t far off what Apple offer. Also as you said you still get core app updates and Google play services updates long after the official update period finishes.
 
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Don't get me wrong, i am the guy who picked up 4.7" Galaxy S3 instead of pale iphone 4s - i installed custom kernel siyah on it and it literally blown(shredded) 2.1 speakers at my school and this thing was driving 320Ohm headphones, so i was listening to my 16-32 on maximum of 20% volume otherwise they and my eardrums would be blown too.

I was connecting that thing to hdd and ssds via OTG cable when iphones didn't know what the file system is let alone usb-otg cable. I connected keyboard and mouse to that thing - worked on the go via remote desktoping to my dell laptop. Downloaded on the go my files to flash drive to print them at the university printing center.

I had a good time with Samsungs and androids. But right now Iphone upped the game and i prefer its' stability and ecosystem. Probably i like Apple pay the most and my synced life with Mac - copy/paste, secondary display on ipads and etc.
Lol what are you on about
 
re you guys ever tempted to switch to Pixel or Samsung? If not, what makes you stick with Apple products?
I don't believe the competition is growing. New companies come and go, many don't seem to take root too well, mostly because the industry has now matured and solidified around a handful of companies.

Also is it really growing companies when they all run Android? You largely get the same exact UX because they're all running the same operating system (with their own tweaks).

Android is fragmented, prone to malware, phones makers infrequently upgrade their existing phones to the latest OS. Why would I want to pay money for that when I get such a better experience with the iPhone?
 
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With the new TSMC made Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 it's tempting to continue on Android for me. Still a generation behind the A16, but the older Samsung made 8 Gen 1 was pretty horrendous.
 
I actually use both. Have for many years. Iphone is my main driver but android second. The day apple allows imessage and facetime on android is the day i leave apple for good. It will never happen though
 
I've always been a Mac guy so that's the real answer but if I wasn't I'd probably say:
1. The Apple Watch - nothing in the Android ecosystem, or any ecosystem for that matter, comes even close.
2. iOS Updates - Android has gotten better but even the best manufacturers still tout 24 months as if it's some gold standard when, say, the iPhone 6S (released in 2015) received major OS updates for 7 years / 85 months (until September 2022)
3. Apple Silicon - Apple's advantage in chip design can be felt throughout the stack. They're the best in the (mobile) industry by a country mile. It's chips are noticeably faster and more power efficient than the competition, often putting to shame Android flagships released years later.
4. Optimization - Controlling the whole stack allows Apple to deliver a much more optimized and consistent experience than that available on Android.
5. The ecosystem - Apple is really the only place you can go for consistency across mobile, desktop and more. It's not perfect but it sure beats what everyone else is doing.

I guess I'll go ahead and list a negatives here though for some balance:
1. The lock in - Having a nice ecosystem is a double edged sword. You can't leave one part without impacting your user experience across other product categories (or, you know, loosing easy access to your iMessages)
2. Lack of SW flexibility - The inability to side load software sucks. The HW lockdown sucks.
 
Even if I leave iOS I would never switch to Samsung as it is now. What Samsung has made of Android is just dreadful.
 
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I like that everything in the Apple ecosystems plays nicely together. I've been using PC's since they hit the corporate office. In the early 80s I bought an Apple IIe to go with my home PC. I've installed many a heard drive and configured many a printer over the decases since. After working on SunMicrosystem hardware for a bit and doing associated tech support as a second career, I just wanted something that worked from the git go. As soon as Apple came out with their intel chip based Mac Book Pro it was game over for me.

My computer, phone, ipad and watch work together and just plain work. I don't need to tweak anything for my use. Plus, Apple support has never disappointed me.
 
There are a few reasons:
  • As many people have said, the ecosystem keeps me in. I like how the devices work together without much work to set up.
  • Accessibility is a big thing for me. While Android and Windows are catching a bit, they still aren't as good as Apple's offering. I have friends who have disabilities and most (if not all) of them prefer using Apple's products since the company have done an excellent job in catering to this community.
  • I simply make more money on this platform. Since iOS users tend to buy more than Android users, I feel like I can make a better living by making apps exclusively on iOS/iPadOS compared to Android. Yes, I should make my apps on both, but considering the fact that it's a lot more of a headache to make good-running apps work on the latter instead of the former, I have to, for now, make my apps only one iOS (until I can figure out a way to make native apps on Android without dealing too much on heavy fragmentation).
  • I'm just used to it. I like it when the device is clean and minimal, and I like being able to go to an Apple Store and just tell them if something is wrong and they just fix it right away.
Those are the top reasons, but there are smaller reasons. In any case, that's my take on this.
 
I’ve been back into iPhone for about the last two years. Had the original iPhone and then a 5C. Then I went pretty heavy into Android. Got frustrated after having to RMA two Pixels back to back (3a and 4a 5G). Decided to give iPhone a try back in 2021 with the iPhone 12 and I haven’t had any regrets since. I moved to a 13 pro max and I think I’m settled on this for a bit. Truthfully I find iOS a bit boring and stale but one thing I like about it, macOS and iPadOS is they’re all reliable and very few hiccups. Sure the designs Apple has come out with in the last few years have all relatively been similar but one thing I can say is their products are built well and are reliable.

Are you guys ever tempted to switch to Pixel or Samsung? If not, what makes you stick with Apple products?

Boring and stale means it works (mostly) the way I’m used to. It’s a PITA to switch platforms and relearn everything.

Honestly, MS Office updates has gotten frustrating for me with menu changes and the like.
 
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Apple Store Support
When things go wrong with a device as important as your smartphone, you want to be able to go somewhere in person and get service that same day. I’ve had situations come up where Apple support staff has gone above and beyond to help me, earning my respect and trust of the brand. Unless things have changed, with Google or Samsung phones you would need to send your phone to them via the mail and be phoneless for a few days while they fix the issue and send it back.

Yeah, this is very important for me as well. If I can’t get to the store (e.g. during the COVID lockdown or when busy), I also have AppleCare+ on our devices for express replacement service (which I’ve used a couple of times already).

Also, with automatic iCloud backups, if something goes wrong, it’s not hard to get back up and running.
 
  • Size
    I absolutely love the size of my iPhone 12 mini and want to upgrade to the 13 mini soon. I can't see myself buying a big phone like the iPhone 14 or the giant Android phones. Every time I've had a big phone in my hand, I'm more than happy to get back to my little mini. It's really sad what size is called compact these days when the devices are not at all. :mad: My last phone was the iPhone X, which was just tolerable because it had rounded edges and was a bit smaller. However, all the full-size iPhones that came after it feel like a brick in the hand, absolutely clumsy and uncomfortable. It's a shame that Apple has discontinued the Mini series, especially because they had a nice price. I have no interest in the extremely expensive Pro devices and would definitely not buy a base model for 999 Euros, my current phone was 799.
  • Apple Pay
    This is a big one for me. Ever since it launched in Germany, I've been using Apple Pay almost exclusively every day. If I were to switch to Android, I would have to use Google Pay or Samsung Pay. The former logs all sorts of things about my purchases and I don't want to give Google any more data than I have to. Samsung Pay, on the other hand, is absolute garbage in Germany as you have to open a separate bank account with a third-party bank and I don't really trust Samsung either.
  • Eco system
    I don't give a crap about iMessage since absolutely no one among my friends and family uses it. However, I love to receive calls and SMS on my Mac as well as copy pasting stuff between my devices. It works so seamlessly. I also love how iCloud keep my photos in sync on both devices.
I have to admit, though, that visually I find Samsung phones like the S22/23 the most beautiful. They look so much nicer than iPhones with their punch hole camera, even smaller bezels and a much nicer back (when compared to the hideous camera bump on the new iPhones). In terms of software, however, I clearly prefer iOS. Android has gotten a lot better over the years, but every time I have to help a family member set up their Android smartphone, I always realize how much more I love iOS.
 
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Wife had a Samsung Galaxy circa 2011. It never got an OS update. Within a 2 years the calendar app stopped being supported on the OS version available (Jellybean maybe?), and the web version of Calendar refused to load, saying "Use the app". That's three strikes. No updates of OS, forced updates of apps beyond OS capabilities, and forced use of apps instead of the web. She needed the calendar app more than anything else on the phone. We switched to iOS and have been happy since.

Granted, I've only used low-end Androids, but the menus seem to run at 10-15 fps, whereas Apple's budget options like the old 5C and the SE run perfectly smooth.

On privacy, I've got a great anecdote. My father is a great believer in Android, since it affords more opportunities to get things "for free". His retirement home rented a bus and went on a day trip somewhere. On the way home they stopped off at an ice cream parlour. He wasn't feeling well, so just stayed on the bus. Later that day, Google contacted him to inquire if the ice cream parlour had added an outdoor patio. They tracked his location, noted he's remained there for a while, without going in, possibly correlated with others going in, guessed at a reason, and asked him if they were right.

On the one hand, it IS an amazing map product improvement opportunity. On the other hand, WTF else are they tracking and inferring? What other data sources are they using? Yeah, no. I've already got too much Google in my life. I'm not using a phone run by a surveillance corporation.
 
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I deal with thousands of Androids at work (Think the Samsung Ax line) as I'm a IT sysadmin and we have to MDM them which can often drive me up the wall, I just like the simplicity and reliabilty of iDevices and iSoftware for personal use!
 
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I stick to Apple for brand loyalty, excitement of their products, and software. I sure use Samsung every now and then but Apple will always be my main choice.
 
I’ve been back into iPhone for about the last two years. Had the original iPhone and then a 5C. Then I went pretty heavy into Android. Got frustrated after having to RMA two Pixels back to back (3a and 4a 5G). Decided to give iPhone a try back in 2021 with the iPhone 12 and I haven’t had any regrets since. I moved to a 13 pro max and I think I’m settled on this for a bit. Truthfully I find iOS a bit boring and stale but one thing I like about it, macOS and iPadOS is they’re all reliable and very few hiccups. Sure the designs Apple has come out with in the last few years have all relatively been similar but one thing I can say is their products are built well and are reliable.

Are you guys ever tempted to switch to Pixel or Samsung? If not, what makes you stick with Apple products?
If someone knocked a windows phone out of the park I would switch. You made two good points, boring and stale after the last three years isn't all that bad for now. Sticking with my 13Pro Max for foreseeable future also. The ecosystem is working better so I'm good.
 
Yeah, before the original iPhone, I read all sorts of tech websites. Now only Apple ones. All my Apple products work with each other pretty seamlessly. I guess that’s all I can ask for.
 
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Whew, I already know my answer is going to be long winded. It started with better products, but now it’s the ecosystem too. I’ve had my share of Android phones in the past when the smartphone race was a lot more competitive, but it’s become a lot less competitive in the last five years in my opinion. The same applies for macOS/Windows.

The last Android I had was the Galaxy S9+. The prospect of having something new with Android was exciting at first. At the time, iOS was a lot more locked down. For instance, I couldn’t even ask Siri to play a song on Spotify, you could only use Siri with Apple Music. There was no modern large screen iPhone. You were stuck choosing between the iPhone 8+ with huge bezels and a home button or a smaller iPhone X. The prospect of being able to customize more and have more freedom with Android on bleeding edge hardware really appealed to me. At the time, Samsung Galaxy phones always had the best hardware and at the best value.

However, once I had my S9+, I noticed customizing the phone the way I wanted to still required way more workarounds and tinkering than I anticipated. The OS wasn’t as free as I thought, or as it used to be when I had Androids in the past. Apps on Android were fewer and worse quality. Things overall weren’t as polished. The face unlock felt rudimentary and unsafe. I started experiencing battery drain that I couldn’t fix. The standby time was terrible compared to iPhone and iPad. Samsung was slow to deliver software updates. The dual aperture camera felt more like a gimmick than genuinely leading to better photos. I missed iMessage, messages syncing across devices, and AirDrop dearly. I was in college, and a lot of my friends and peers had iPhones, so missing out on the ecosystem with them sucked too. So, this pretty much all quickly extinguished my excitement for Android pretty quickly.

When I switched to my XS Max, it was so much more of a polished, higher quality experience overall, both hardware and software. I had never owned or really experienced an iPhone without a home button yet. The swipe to go home and swipe to switch apps interface was so much more intuitive and efficient compared to the home and back buttons on Android. FaceID was a much better experience than fingerprint scanners or Samsung’s rudimentary face unlock. I stuck with my XS Max for 3 years, the longest I’ve ever kept any phone. I was so happy with it.

Around the time that I had a Galaxy S9+, I had an old MacBook Pro that was truly at the end of its useful life to me. I wanted a new MacBook Pro very badly, but this is when the MacBook Pros had numerous issues (the 2016 touchbar generation), were slow to get processor updates, and were very expensive. I got a Dell XPS because it was about $1,000 cheaper and had a newer processor than even the MacBook Pro. While it was a great device, I really missed macOS, certain macOS software (Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro), and the ecosystem features a lot and still was constantly desiring a MacBook Pro.

Eventually, I found an Apple Certified Refurbished 2018 MacBook Pro for $800 off its original MSRP. With the lower price tag and a lot of the improvements the 2018 refresh brought, I finally switched back to Mac and sold my Dell XPS. With me already having an XS Max, a 2017 iPad Pro, and now a Mac, I was really back into the ecosystem.

Since switching to the XS Max in 2018 and back to the Mac in 2019, a lot of the complaints and issues I had with iPhone and Mac have been removed or fixed. iOS has become a lot more open and less limiting. A lot of features Android had has now come to iPhone. iPhone hardware no longer feels outdated or stagnant compared to Android. iPhones mostly have good or great battery life now when they used to have a reputation for being horrible. The Macs have been completely revitalized with Apple Silicon to the point where Windows computers can‘t even compete on a pure performance and efficiency per dollar standpoint. Galaxy phones are no longer the great value they used to be. Google has hit a home run with the Pixel 7, but for years, it seemed like every Pixel came with some sort of drawback or problem that prevented it from being a true competitor. Privacy is a huge value to me, and I trust Google and Microsoft a lot less compared to Apple.

Since my last stint with Android and Windows about 4-5 years ago, I’ve just never had a desire to go back. Apple’s ecosystem and products has only gotten better while the competition has gotten worse in comparison, and so I’ve sunk myself more and more into Apple ecosystem which, yes, keeps me more trapped, but I’ve also never been happier with my tech devices than I have now.
 
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Growing competition? What competition? Android?

Not a chance in hell. I’ve been quite happy with my iPhones and iOS. Whenever I’ve been exposed to Android I’ve come away thinking, “Who the hell designed this piece of crap?”
 
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Boring and stale means it works (mostly) the way I’m used to. It’s a PITA to switch platforms and relearn everything.
Just going to respond to this. My wife is your typical customer, not anything like you'd find on MacRumors or other tech sites. I start speaking tech to her and she falls asleep or her eye glaze over. She once thought computers were a fad and that all she'd ever need was a typewriter. I had to drag her kicking and screaming in to technology.

From 2020 to 2021 we were using the Pixel 3a XL. Last year, she decided she wanted a second line just for her job (she's a teacher). So, we got the SIM and put it in her Pixel (we are using the 11 Pro Max as our primary phones now). She carries both her Pixel and her 11PM to work with her every day. At home she's using both phones.

I have not updated her Pixel to Android 12 yet, so she's on Android 11 at the moment.

It's amazing how far she's come because she has zero difficulty in flipping between Android and iOS, depending on which phone she's holding in her hands at the moment.
 
Also, with automatic iCloud backups, if something goes wrong, it’s not hard to get back up and running.
Except when iCloud doesn't put back on your device all the photos you had before. I had to turn my 11PM in to Apple for a replacement in May 2022. I purchased a 2TB iCloud sub, expecting all my photos to back up. Apparently they didn't.

Good thing I also rely on third party apps like Dropbox and Google Photos. And good thing I back those up and store them elsewhere. I had to go dig around in order to get all my photos back on my iPhone - the very thing I got that 2TB iCloud sub to do for me.
 
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