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DaveFromCampbelltown

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Typo? I thought the word was “stoned”?

;)

Nope. "Stoked" (I believe) comes from the steam era, when your steam engine was fully stoked with coal and ready to go.
"Stoned" comes from the use of psychedelic drugs.

Telling your boss that you are "stoked" about a new assignment is good.
Telling your boss that you are "stoned" while on the job will probably get you a pink slip.
 

usagora

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Mine probably has to be, "can be had." I hate it, hate it, hate it!

"This can be had for $20" vs. "This item is $20"....SAY THE SECOND ONE.

Agreed, it's such an awkward phrasing. However, I think the connotation of that phrase is normally 1. that you will find the item at higher prices, but you should only be paying that amount or 2. that you would expect it to cost more. So the respective replacement phrases would more accurately be, "This item can be (found) as cheap as $20," and, "This item only costs $20."
 

dontwalkhand

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Agreed, it's such an awkward phrasing. However, I think the connotation of that phrase is normally 1. that you will find the item at higher prices, but you should only be paying that amount or 2. that you would expect it to cost more. So the respective replacement phrases would more accurately be, "This item can be (found) as cheap as $20," and, "This item only costs $20."
It has to be the word placement for me, and the past tense being there, I don't even care if it's considered good English or not, it sounds terrible, and definitely sounds broken.
 

usagora

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It has to be the word placement for me, and the past tense being there, I don't even care if it's considered good English or not, it sounds terrible, and definitely sounds broken.

It's the passive voice that makes it sound awkward imo. If it were active voice instead ("You can have this item for $20") it would sound 10x better, even though I still prefer another verb be used instead of "have" ("purchase," "buy," "acquire," "get," "obtain," etc.).
 

usagora

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In the culinary world, I can't stand the phrase, "Plate up," "Pan up," etc. to mean to arrange the food on a plate or pan for serving. E.g. "Now that we've made the lasagna and vegetables, let's plate them up and get them to our guests."
 

HDFan

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Mine probably has to be, "can be had." I hate it, hate it, hate it!

"This can be had for $20" vs. "This item is $20"....SAY THE SECOND ONE.

Have different meanings. "This item is $20" indicates the price but is vague about whether the seller will sell it to you, will offer a discount, etc.

The "had" makes it quite clear that you can purchase it for $20.

If it were active voice instead ("You can have this item for $20") it would sound 10x better, even though I still prefer another verb be used instead of "have" ("purchase," "buy," "acquire," "get," "obtain," etc.).

"had" might not be the best word to use to differentiate the two meanings.
 
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usagora

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"fierce" or "fiercely" used in positive contexts. Just doesn't sound right.

Example:
"She loved her family fiercely."
"He has a fierce loyalty to his company."
 

Scepticalscribe

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In a coffee shop.
"fierce" or "fiercely" used in positive contexts. Just doesn't sound right.

Example:
"She loved her family fiercely."
"He has a fierce loyalty to his company."
Not necessarily, and not always.

Describing somebody as "fiercely intelligent" captures a sense of their character (and may imply the wider cultural context in which they lived, a context which may have sought to suppress expression of that intelligence) that the more anodyne description of "very intelligent" fails to convey.
 
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NewOldStock

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With that "said" i couldn't read all this. "It is what it is".
Ask them to repeat the "that said part" ha ha and crazy pauses in the English language.
Going to the dogs. Old teachers rolling in their graves over bad language.🤷‍♂️🤷‍
Language gets rushed and things get added while thinking next what to say so it is what it is!
Stop pause then think, then say.
 
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usagora

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"banger" meaning something great, especially when used by adults.

Example: "Everything about this new product is just a banger!"
 
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lamboaudi4

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I never liked the meme format that started with "Nobody: ". It annoyed me greatly because I always took it to mean that "Nobody said nothing", or restated "at least one person said something"... which is the opposite of what the meme is intending to say. Can't really get that out of my mind.
 

usagora

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I never liked the meme format that started with "Nobody: ". It annoyed me greatly because I always took it to mean that "Nobody said nothing", or restated "at least one person said something"... which is the opposite of what the meme is intending to say. Can't really get that out of my mind.

That's funny, because it's one of the few frequently used memes I actually find hilarious and NOT annoying, lol! I'm not actually sure how the meme could be changed and remain pithy, though. For example:

Nobody:
Vegan: I'm vegan

Would really lose its humor if it were more literal:

Nobody: Are you a vegan?
Vegan: I'm vegan

The "Nobody: " visually emphasizes the fact that the person's words/actions/etc. came completely out of the blue with no inquiries or other context.
 
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mrveggieman

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I collect sports cards. I hate the term "true rookie" with a passion. If someone hasn't completed their rookie year in the NFL/NBA/MLB every card is their rookie card. I remember years ago someone wanted some rookie cards of Derrick Rose and I told that that I had an extra SI for kids card from when he was playing for Memphis to trade and the guy told me that he only wants a true rookie.
 
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I never liked the meme format that started with "Nobody: ". It annoyed me greatly because I always took it to mean that "Nobody said nothing", or restated "at least one person said something"... which is the opposite of what the meme is intending to say. Can't really get that out of my mind.

Nobody:
lamboaudi4: I never liked the meme format that started with “Nobody: "
 

ThunderSkunk

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Here are few that make me cringe every time I hear them:
A couple years ago every airhead with a podcast started beginning every freaking sentence with the word “So“. And then, just when I couldn't hurl my airpods at the wall fast enough, a select few decided that wasn't presumptuous enough and started beginning every sentence with “I meeean…“.

If that’s what you mean, why didn't you say it the first time? This is the first time? Then why wouldnt I expect you to already be saying what you mean? Are you just really bad at communicating? Then why do you have a podcast?
 
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A couple years ago every airhead with a podcast started beginning every freaking sentence with the word “So“. And then, just when I couldn't hurl my airpods at the wall fast enough, a select few decided that wasn't presumptuous enough and started beginning every sentence with “I meeean…“.

I’ve never been a podcast consumer (unless the podcasts were entirely of music with no speaking), so I missed this moment you’re describing.

Opening sentences with “So”, or “So…” has, for whatever reason, been a thing I’ve done since I was a child. Somewhere, buried on analogue cassettes, are bits of my childhood voice on them doing just that back during the early and mid 1980s. (Back then, I also used “actually” and “basically”, dangling always at the very end of sentences, far more than anyone ought to — both being things I had to remove consciously from my lexicon of usage.)

But also, I’ve lived in places where “So…” opens a clause as a regionalism.

Case in point: in Minnesota, a casual question is, somewhat uniquely, bookended with “So” and “then”, to the point where it’s an established trope of, if not just Minnesotans, then also for upper Midwesterners from Fargo to the UP (Upper Peninsula) of Michigan. It may or may not be a carryover from Scandinavian languages which founded the colonized farmlands and, later, the iron ore mines.

Example: “So are you going to the Byerly’s on France, then?” Response: “Oh yah, I gotta pick up a gallon of melk and also some leaf begs at Menards.” (Note: those two typos embody how those words are pronounced there.) “So I’m going to the store,” as a declarative, is also heard frequently within this region.

So this is actually a thing, in of itself — whether regional, as interrogative bookends, or in opening a statement with “So…”

For some of us, it’s always been a thing.


If that’s what you mean, why didn't you say it the first time? This is the first time? Then why wouldnt I expect you to already be saying what you mean? Are you just really bad at communicating? Then why do you have a podcast?

I tend to parse someone saying, “I mean…” as another way of saying, “To put this another way…” or “From this different vantage,” but with an economizing reduction of up to five syllables.

…but a hearty English breakfast when served with mash.

Nah. Bangers and mash are total pub grub after one’s enjoyed a couple of pints and wants to stick around a bit with your friend as you order a third. :)
 
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