Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features

[NME42]

I did the unpair/repair procedure (from backup) in early October and it seems iOS 14.2 GM is only restoring GPS tracks backwards until this date. All runs before this date and also before watchOS 7 / iOS 14 are still gone.

 

[cfc]

I did the unpair/repair procedure (from backup) in early October and it seems iOS 14.2 GM is only restoring GPS tracks backwards until this date. All runs before this date and also before watchOS 7 / iOS 14 are still gone.

If you used WorkOutDoors for those runs then you may be able to reload them into Apple's health system by exporting a TCX or GPX file from WorkOutDoors and then importing that file into the health system by using HealthFit: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/healthfit/id1202650514?mt=8

 

[pmxams]

If you used WorkOutDoors for those runs then you may be able to reload them into Apple's health system by exporting a TCX or GPX file from WorkOutDoors and then importing that file into the health system by using HealthFit: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/healthfit/id1202650514?mt=8

Thanks. Not a big problem to me that justifies the work. It is hundreds of workout and the older ones are not on WOD.

Different question, another thing that OS14.2 did not fix, is split times. I still do not get the split lap times in the fitness app. If I use the native app I get the split times. Any idea why?

 

[cfc]

Different question, another thing that OS14.2 did not fix, is split times. I still do not get the split lap times in the fitness app. If I use the native app I get the split times. Any idea why?

This is another iOS 14 bug that affects some people. The splits are not shown in the Fitness app for workouts created with any workout apps except Apple's own app: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251809580

 

[xxBlack]

Again i couldn't transfer a route from iphone to watch. Didn't reboot or something else because we cancelled the trip but just for your information. With ios 13 it was way better and finished in a couple of seconds.

 

[cfc]

Again i couldn't transfer a route from iphone to watch. Didn't reboot or something else because we cancelled the trip but just for your information. With ios 13 it was way better and finished in a couple of seconds.

iOS 14 and watchOS 7 are definitely less reliable when transferring files. It has always been that the files are transferred when they feel like it, but this was usually pretty much immediately in the past.

I am improving the logging in the next version, so hopefully I will have a better idea of what is happening when the files take ages to transfer.

 

[tkermit]

It sounds like you need to give the app permission to see the pedometer. To do this go to the Settings app on the watch and tap Privacy and then Motion & Fitness. Then ensure Fitness Tracking is switched on for the watch and also for WorkOutDoors (so both switches are on).

In theory iOS should ask for this permission when you first use the app, but sometimes it can forget amongst all the other permissions that are required.

I had the same issue. What I've noticed is that WorkOutDoors, at least in my case, will only ask for this permission (and can apparently only be granted the permission) if Fitness Tracking has also been activated on the iPhone (i.e. in the phone's Settings app) and not just on the Watch. Probably not an issue for most people who haven't explicitly deactivated Fitness Tracking on their phone.

 

[cfc]

I had the same issue. What I've noticed is that WorkOutDoors, at least in my case, will only ask for this permission (and can apparently only be granted the permission) if Fitness Tracking has also been activated on the iPhone (i.e. in the phone's Settings app) and not just on the Watch. Probably not an issue for most people who haven't explicitly deactivated Fitness Tracking on their phone.

That is interesting. The permissions are mostly out of the control of the app, for privacy reasons, so I doubt there is much I can do about it, but I will take a look.

 

[cichykot]

Hi mate,
I would just like to ask, how is the integration with stride going?
Will have it calibrate mode ?
Power zones for structural training?
I will gladly pay extra for this upgrade, or send you for a beer, only I have to get your paypal
cheers,
Robert

 

[andrewstirling]

I had a bit of an issue during my easy run yesterday. I have rolling pace set up as an alert and although the first rolling pace and average pace was in line, every single rolling pace alert after that was considerably quicker than my average pace. My average pace actually dropped as my run progressed and by the end of the run was about 15s/km slower than my starting pace. My assumption is that my average pace was correct so what’s going on with the rolling pace?

 

[cfc]

Hi mate,
I would just like to ask, how is the integration with stride going?
Will have it calibrate mode ?
Power zones for structural training?
I will gladly pay extra for this upgrade, or send you for a beer, only I have to get your paypal
cheers,
Robert

I am still working on the next major release, but after that is out then I will start work on Stryd. I haven't thought much about calibration but I do plan to integrate power into the interval schedules.

Sorry that it is taking a while - I always forget just how much support work I get at this time of year due to the new hardware and flaky software. I spend pretty much all my time responding to emails etc and very little time coding. Things are calming down a bit now so hopefully I will be able to get a new version out for testing soon, and then after that is released then I can start work on Stryd (and improving the route functionality).

 

[cfc]

I had a bit of an issue during my easy run yesterday. I have rolling pace set up as an alert and although the first rolling pace and average pace was in line, every single rolling pace alert after that was considerably quicker than my average pace. My average pace actually dropped as my run progressed and by the end of the run was about 15s/km slower than my starting pace. My assumption is that my average pace was correct so what’s going on with the rolling pace?

I haven't heard of any accuracy issues with the rolling pace. Are you using GPS distances or the Health Distances for the rolling pace? You can control this in the watch settings: Pace/Running/Rolling Pace.

If the average pace is using the calibrated distance (which it does by default) and the rolling pace is using the GPS distance then that there could theoretically be a discrepancy if the watch needs calibrating or your GPS accuracy was poor. Please send me the wkt file to info@workoutdoors.net and I will take a look. To do this tap the Export button 3 times quickly.

 

[cichykot]

to be honest, I bought your application, but I haven't used it yet because of the lack of stryd support. but I wait patiently and understand your situation. I appreciate your work, and I am full of admiration for you.
Thank you.
robert

 

[culo77]

I just found this app and bought it, its amazing! It rivals any Garmin I have had. When it adds the set up watch screens on the phone and stryd support it will be unstoppable.

Too bad I found this app so late as I am getting rid of my Apple Watch, I just can’t deal with the horribleness of watchOS7 and daily issue I am having.

Hats off to CFC for creating the best watch app I have used.

 

[firewire9000]

Hi, before buying the app I have a question, the recorded workouts are stored in the Fitness app as if they were a workout created by the native app? I do like the interface and simplicity of the app.

 

[MJ22]

Hi, before buying the app I have a question, the recorded workouts are stored in the Fitness app as if they were a workout created by the native app? I do like the interface and simplicity of the app.

Yes

 

[Wando64]

Recently (probably since update to 7.1) every time I use WOD for a workout I observe a strange behaviour.
After I have finished the workout and after the recovery phase has completed, the watch keeps on returning to the WOD home screen, no matter how many times I quit it, it will return to WOD after a few seconds.
The only way to sop this is to do a force quit of the app (long press of side button followed by long press of digital crown).
I can't be the only one experiencing this behaviour.

 

[cfc]

Recently (probably since update to 7.1) every time I use WOD for a workout I observe a strange behaviour.
After I have finished the workout and after the recovery phase has completed, the watch keeps on returning to the WOD home screen, no matter how many times I quit it, it will return to WOD after a few seconds.
The only way to sop this is to do a force quit of the app (long press of side button followed by long press of digital crown).
I can't be the only one experiencing this behaviour.

The app uses the GPS for a few minutes after you use it, so that it doesn't have to reacquire the GPS if you briefly drop your wrist. It seems that watchOS 7 is treating this in the same way as it does a workout, and somehow keeping the app always active. However it only affects a few people.

With watchOS 7.0 you could fix it with the following workaround: Go to Apple's Watch app on the iPhone, or the Settings app on the watch. Tap General, then Wake Screen, then WorkoutDoors. Then select Custom and then Always.

However I have heard reports that this doesn’t work with 7.0.1 to 7.0.3 (no feedback on 7.1 yet so it will be interesting to see if it helps you). If the workaround does not work then please remove the app from the dock (if it is in it) and switch off background app updates for it. To do that go to the Settings app on the watch and tap General and then Background App Refresh, and then switch it off for WorkOutDoors.

If that doesn't work then I suggest killing the app off by the side buttons as you are doing.

I plan to release a version which does not keep the GPS on (or at least where it is optional), but I will wait for a while because Apple are clearly changing the way the background GPS works with each flaky release, so I will wait until things have settled down. Hopefully it is a bug they will fix rather than a deliberate change.

 

[cichykot]

H.,
I will ask about stryd, is there any light in the tunnel?

 

[Wando64]

The app uses the GPS for a few minutes after you use it, so that it doesn't have to reacquire the GPS if you briefly drop your wrist. It seems that watchOS 7 is treating this in the same way as it does a workout, and somehow keeping the app always active. However it only affects a few people.

With watchOS 7.0 you could fix it with the following workaround: Go to Apple's Watch app on the iPhone, or the Settings app on the watch. Tap General, then Wake Screen, then WorkoutDoors. Then select Custom and then Always.

However I have heard reports that this doesn’t work with 7.0.1 to 7.0.3 (no feedback on 7.1 yet so it will be interesting to see if it helps you). If the workaround does not work then please remove the app from the dock (if it is in it) and switch off background app updates for it. To do that go to the Settings app on the watch and tap General and then Background App Refresh, and then switch it off for WorkOutDoors.

If that doesn't work then I suggest killing the app off by the side buttons as you are doing.

I plan to release a version which does not keep the GPS on (or at least where it is optional), but I will wait for a while because Apple are clearly changing the way the background GPS works with each flaky release, so I will wait until things have settled down. Hopefully it is a bug they will fix rather than a deliberate change.

Thanks, but why would it use GPS when I am doing indoor Elliptical exercise?
I will try your suggestion, but I am concerned that GPS might be used (a) unnecessarily and (b) for longer than required.

 

[cfc]

Thanks, but why would it use GPS when I am doing indoor Elliptical exercise?
I will try your suggestion, but I am concerned that GPS might be used (a) unnecessarily and (b) for longer than required.

It uses GPS in case you are about to start an outdoor workout. The app allows you to get a good GPS signal before you start a workout, but it cannot tell what type of workout you are about to start.

The next version will only keep it on for 1 minute (instead of 5 minutes) and it will make it optional, although I haven't yet decided whether to default to keeping it on or not.

 

[cfc]

cichykot said:
H.,
I will ask about stryd, is there any light in the tunnel?

I am still working on the next major release, but after that is out then I will start work on Stryd

 

[cfc]

H.,
I will ask about stryd, is there any light in the tunnel?

I am still working on the next major release, but after that is out then I will start work on Stryd

 

[runnerunner]

Hi, after using a Garmin product nearly a year I'm back with a Apple Watch 6 and using your App for running.
Unfortunately I think I have the same issue like back in the days with my Apple Watch 4.

After starting the app and starting to run, it takes approx. 4-6 min. time to show the heart rate. Sometimes it shows a fixed heart rate for nearly a few minutes until it works fine.

1) I tried to switch to pause mode immediately after starting to wait for the heart rate to be immediately exit the pause mode when HR is displayed. Unfortunately that also takes a few minutes.
2) At the same time I tried to switch to the WatchOS Heart rate app during the pause mode, but that app also takes just as long there until the HR is in the official HR app displayed.

Do you have an idea for my issue? thanks in advance...

Edit / wish:
At the same time as GPS signal is displayed as available, the heart rate should also be displayed as available in the initial image (where the sports can be selected or in the "Open Workouts" screen).

 

[andrewstirling]

Have you tried it with the native app to see if it’s any different? I assume it uses the same mechanism so would be surprised if it’s a WorkOutDoors issue.

I don’t get on with the Apple Watch hrm. It’s fine for walking and taking random measurements throughout the day - it never tracks me when running though so I use an external hrm.