Well the new iPhone models aren't going to be plated in 14 karat gold, they won't double as an electric shaver, or make your lunch for you, so the disappointment is understandable.
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Worst Keynote Ever
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Well the new iPhone models aren't going to be plated in 14 karat gold, they won't double as an electric shaver, or make your lunch for you, so the disappointment is understandable.
The disappointment results from the fact that Apple makes a lot more than a mobile phone. All those products, and this is all they had? I thought it was a joke yesterday, I really did. I kept waiting for the punchline.
As pointed out above, this is a developer's conference not a consumer expo. The emphasis is generally on software development, which is why the main topic was the SDK and the next iteration of OSX. Apple delivered almost precisely as the rumor mill had predicted, in a way which probably nearly everyone would have thought was great, had the rumor mill not already predicted it. What else were you expecting, and why were you expecting it?
I do have to agree that the keynote was quite boring, figuring the first hour was basically just advertisements for those particular apps. I think that they could have done a better job in that hour by publicly previewing Snow Leopard rather than previewing specific apps.
Yesterday's keynote was a bust. I'm sorry, but lately the Apple/Jobs keynotes have been getting worse and worse. Look back just two or three years ago and you can see how different they are. I'm not just talking about WWDC though, but MWSF too! I think 2006 was really the last year for pretty darn good keynotes from apple. What's with all these new people too? I can understand Phil helping, but can't Steve do those other things too?
As much as I love Apple and their products, I think they need to pull their head out of their a$$ and not neglect everything but the iPhone!
/Rant over
As much as I love Apple and their products, I think they need to pull their head out of their a$$ and not neglect everything but the iPhone!
/Rant over
Yesterday's keynote was a bust. I'm sorry, but lately the Apple/Jobs keynotes have been getting worse and worse. Look back just two or three years ago and you can see how different they are. I'm not just talking about WWDC though, but MWSF too! I think 2006 was really the last year for pretty darn good keynotes from apple. What's with all these new people too? I can understand Phil helping, but can't Steve do those other things too?
As much as I love Apple and their products, I think they need to pull their head out of their a$$ and not neglect their other lines!
/Rant over
well steve won't be around forever. might as well get others in the spotlight. and everyone is always let down by the keynotes. always.
I know Steve won't be around for ever, but some of those people just rub me the wrong way, if you know what I mean. I think that Scott Forstall is annoying and is too smarmy. I know someone is always disappointed, but I can't help but feel that they are ignoring their core business of computers.
They only spoke about software for a mobile phone. It would have been nice to at least get more details about OS 10.6. And to be fair, new products have been introduced in the past at WWDC and indeed, one was this time as well.
Maybe he just wanted to create a discussion. After all, that's the point of a forum
Anyways, I agree that this was a really bad keynote. I can understand if someone was bored when they were talking about the various apps being designed. Certain apps, such as the medical ones, only interest certain people. But playing the advertisement twice? Taking forever to list all 70 countries the iPhone will be sold in? Waiting for the Edge connection to load? We get the picture, Steve. You love the iPhone 3G. Now let's move on with our lives.
Yeah I know, where the **** is my 8-core headless iMac with dual SLI 9800GTX that can also make me chicken parm or a turkey dinner? Damn you Apple!
Seriously, some of you people have way too high of expectations. Anyone with common sense knew that they weren't going to do a small upgrade to laptops or something.
The iPhone 3G is exactly what everyone wanted, and combined with 3rd party apps it's going to be awesome.
Seriously, some of you people have way too high of expectations. Anyone with common sense knew that they weren't going to do a small upgrade to laptops or something.
The iPhone 3G is exactly what everyone wanted, and combined with 3rd party apps it's going to be awesome.
Quoted for truthiness(TM). The keynote was very fun to watch for me. T'was very informative and I got to see the "how it's made" side of Apple. Steve is fun to listen to, but there is a LOT more to Apple than Steve and it's really nice to see and hear the other people who make Apple great.
I thought that the keynote was as it should have been. There are three tracks at this year's WWDC:
1. iPhone: Apple has a deliverable RIGHT NOW for development on the iPhone. Apple needed to demonstrate to iPhone developers what they can do with the iPhone. The vast breadth of possibilities means that it makes sense for Apple to demonstrate a large number of apps, to highlight as many of the possibilities as possible. Also, being the one brand-new option as of this year, it makes sense to give the iPhone as much keynote time as possible, since there's the most to say on this subject.
2. IT: Exchange support got some time in the keynote, though not much. Everything else on Apple's IT track isn't really new, so it didn't make much sense to me to have a bunch of IT-related stuff in the keynote anyway.
3. OS X: Apple announced that Snow Leopard is in the works, but obviously Apple does not have a deliverable that they're ready to unveil to the public. Snow Leopard is clearly getting a lot of attention at WWDC in the developer sessions, but it is also clearly not ready for public scrutiny in any amount. Remember, Mr. Jobs made certain to mention the Snow Leopard session after lunch, so it's not as though he wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it. I'm sure that hundreds of developers attended that session, but it was under an NDA.
In short, the one major product that Apple has a deliverable for right now was the iPhone. Therefore, the only major product that Mr. Jobs could have POSSIBLY had a lot to talk about was the iPhone, and on that subject he succeeded magnificently. The WWDC keynote is not about entertainment--it's there to kick off a week of developers learning about the new APIs and frameworks that Apple is creating. Some of that stuff is important to us consumers as well, but the main purpose of the WWDC keynote is to get DEVELOPERS excited about what's coming down the pipe.
1. iPhone: Apple has a deliverable RIGHT NOW for development on the iPhone. Apple needed to demonstrate to iPhone developers what they can do with the iPhone. The vast breadth of possibilities means that it makes sense for Apple to demonstrate a large number of apps, to highlight as many of the possibilities as possible. Also, being the one brand-new option as of this year, it makes sense to give the iPhone as much keynote time as possible, since there's the most to say on this subject.
2. IT: Exchange support got some time in the keynote, though not much. Everything else on Apple's IT track isn't really new, so it didn't make much sense to me to have a bunch of IT-related stuff in the keynote anyway.
3. OS X: Apple announced that Snow Leopard is in the works, but obviously Apple does not have a deliverable that they're ready to unveil to the public. Snow Leopard is clearly getting a lot of attention at WWDC in the developer sessions, but it is also clearly not ready for public scrutiny in any amount. Remember, Mr. Jobs made certain to mention the Snow Leopard session after lunch, so it's not as though he wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it. I'm sure that hundreds of developers attended that session, but it was under an NDA.
In short, the one major product that Apple has a deliverable for right now was the iPhone. Therefore, the only major product that Mr. Jobs could have POSSIBLY had a lot to talk about was the iPhone, and on that subject he succeeded magnificently. The WWDC keynote is not about entertainment--it's there to kick off a week of developers learning about the new APIs and frameworks that Apple is creating. Some of that stuff is important to us consumers as well, but the main purpose of the WWDC keynote is to get DEVELOPERS excited about what's coming down the pipe.
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard that...
After every keynote people start planning Steve's funeral. I've never understood it: steve looks exactly the same, sounds exactly the same, and acts exactly the same, and yet, people are always disappointed. This holds especially true after every WWDC, which people incorrectly mistake for a consumer expo: it's not. It's about developing - it's supposed to be boring.
New hardware products are often announced, but the focus of this event is still software, as it always has been, and the big software deal at the moment is the mobile applications SDK. If they had any more to say about Snow Leopard I suspect it would have been included. I don't know where the expectation developed that WWDC is a second MWSF, which it never really was. Apple does product rollouts all year long now anyway.
(limping slowly along...)
M i n i , w h e r e ' s t h e u p d a t e d M i n i . . . .
(left arm falls off.....)
M i n i , w h e r e ' s t h e u p d a t e d M i n i . . . .
(left arm falls off.....)
steve looked incredibly thin... anna wintour should love that
and i actually think he's getting more and more attractive
and i actually think he's getting more and more attractive
You'd be almost as rich as if you owned a few shares of AAPL
.The lack of Snow Leopard discussion doesn't matter, the things Apple needs to improve in Cocoa are Quicktime (and Web Services) and bug fixes, the "consumer" bit of Web Services has been announced (Mobile Me) and only developers care about the others. That Quicktime is bad is something they won't make public as it almost entirely concerns the interfaces for developers. Additionally anything more superficial in the OS can wait until they seed it to developers.
But, if all ATT is doing is bringing iPhone data rates in line with what they charge for other devices, is it really greedy or is it simply the end of a promotional vehicle? I expect that once tethering is available as an option, it will be an additional $30, just as it is for the other devices.
Granted, it won't be as attractive to pay $40+30+30=$100 for 450 minutes compared with the $100 that you pay with Sprint for unlimited minutes. With Sprint charging $70 for 450 minutes it is essentially free tethering. But, I suppose the network can be called bigger and more stable than Sprint, and I don't see Verizon taking up Sprint's challege (nobody is bothered by Sprint going 7 to 7 and offering 6 to 6, all better than the 9 to 9 on N/W).
PDA and Blackberry
but we got nothing yesterday, except a date. no updates to anything. i was kinda disappointed, and it was a boring keynote
What were you people expecting? Apple can't be putting into market new products every six months. It is much better if they put one new product and make sure it is the best, than having tons of products and not polishing any of them.
As said before, the wait till July is a very effective publicity. More and more people would get to hear of the new iPhone and be more excited about it. Do notice that apple fanboys that read MR are a very little minority. Do notice that most people can live with even 8GB of space.
And then you say nothing new was introduced. Either we saw different keynotes, or you are suggesting that the 3G iPhone is not new, or that MobileMe is not new, or that perhaps Snow Leopard is not new. Really, what did you wanted??
Remember one more thing: AT&T and Apple want money. They'll do the best to get money.
Exactly! If you keep reading rumors of an iPhone with video, unlimited space for songs, thinner, faster, made of gold, you name it! You would never be satisfied.
As said before, the wait till July is a very effective publicity. More and more people would get to hear of the new iPhone and be more excited about it. Do notice that apple fanboys that read MR are a very little minority. Do notice that most people can live with even 8GB of space.
And then you say nothing new was introduced. Either we saw different keynotes, or you are suggesting that the 3G iPhone is not new, or that MobileMe is not new, or that perhaps Snow Leopard is not new. Really, what did you wanted??
Remember one more thing: AT&T and Apple want money. They'll do the best to get money.
Exactly! If you keep reading rumors of an iPhone with video, unlimited space for songs, thinner, faster, made of gold, you name it! You would never be satisfied.
Steve needs to start firing skyrockets over the heads of the audience. Even a balloon drop would be a nice touch. Otherwise, what a bore.
Seriously, every Apple event these days seems to get the same response from jaded users. If it doesn't thrill me, chill me, and make me write bad checks -- then it's a complete bust. Just look at all the gripe threads that pop up like rhubarb in the springtime. Never mind that everything we had any reason to expect actually happened. Since when is that ever good enough?
Seriously, every Apple event these days seems to get the same response from jaded users. If it doesn't thrill me, chill me, and make me write bad checks -- then it's a complete bust. Just look at all the gripe threads that pop up like rhubarb in the springtime. Never mind that everything we had any reason to expect actually happened. Since when is that ever good enough?
I guess that's what is bothering me. There should have been more to say. The focus is seems to be coming off the computer products, which I find disturbing. Computers don't have to be all they do, but I expect Apple to pay as much attention to those products as they have in the past. I don't think that's an illegitimate concern. Besides, if there were no iPhone, would they just have canceled WWDC? I doubt it.
The whole situation could also be seen the other way around. The iPhone is making the Mac grow faster, just like the iPod did in the past. By getting people to know Apple better by the iPhone and iPod, many will end up buying a Mac.
Also, I believe they are seeing a bigger business opportunity with the iPhone. And they don't have much time to make the iPhone a standard around executives or the general user, Nokia and Blackberry must be getting ready to fight back. On the other hand, the Mac seems to be growing extraordinarily by just good marketing and keeping them up-to-date.
Anyone worried about steve...
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ling_a_little_under_the_weather_recently.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ling_a_little_under_the_weather_recently.html