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Worst Keynote Ever
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Well what about the MANY MANY people that dont even have 3G coverage? There isnt a 3G tower within two hours of me! So if I get a new iPhone my data plan is going to increase $10 and my speeds stay the same.
As for the people using a 2.5G iPhone in a 3G network it costs at&t just as much to send out edge data as it does 3G data...
It is just greed! Nothing more...
Anyway about the keynote.
I was a little disappointed that it was all iPhone and no Mac. I understand the market value for this, but the Mac has the potential to bring in the most revenue. More so than the iPhone...
Although I remember last years WWDC people said that is the worst keynote ever given by Jobs. Honestly this year was better than last...
While I don't disagree with you, and it's definitely good to get into new markets and diversify a your product line, it's also just as important to stay equally focused on the entire product line. I think we know what happens when that's not the case. The entire product line gets diluted.
Snow Leopard is still more than a year off, and they are advertising it as essentially a glorified maintenance release -- which may be good, or may be bad, I don't really know. I suppose some of us are looking for signs that Apple is leaving the Mac behind in favor of iPods and iPhones. Personally, I don't see it. I see a company with a far more diverse product line and a much more sophisticated strategy they've had in the past, when it was all about the Mac. I think the mobile strategy isn't entirely about handheld devices, to the exclusion of computers. It's about unifying computing from the hand to the desktop. So far they are succeeding in ways which have eluded Microsoft for years. Apple is in the process of outmaneuvering Microsoft instead of battling them head-on. Read between the lines. I believe this is far more important than asking "why didn't Steve talk more about the Mac?"
I get the strategy, IJ. I understand it completely. However, Leopard has been out now for quite some time and still needs quite a bit of help. Tiger was never this buggy. I'm not saying they're getting out of the computer business or anything of the sort. I just think they need to pay equal attention to everything, and I'm just not seeing that.
why give everything equal media attention when its not needed? thats basically what the keynote is.
they have plenty of sessions going on that involve Leopard and Snow Leopard, but they don't need to yell about it during a Keynote, since it has no place in the news and headlines etc.
You have summed up my concerns perfectly!
It seems that all Apple wants to do is focus on the iPhone. I don't want the latest and greatest every few months, but I want Apple to actually talk about the Macintosh. I knew this would happen when they became Apple Inc. Apparently they don't care about their founding business anymore. How sad.
(Sigh) I'm about to give up. I guess I'm not expressing myself clearly enough.
I brought this up to IJ before- just suppose that there were no iPhone at the moment. Would there have been no WWDC, or would it have focused on something else, such as Snow Leopard? How much further along do you think it would be right now? That's what's getting me. There needs to be equal focus on all the products.
The thing is that in terms of developers using new features of the OS and the quality of their OS from a developer perspective they are 5 years ahead of Microsoft (and Microsoft would have to play their cards pretty well to meet that) and this seriously isn't hyperbole. Its *possible* for them to catch up by Windows 7, but it would be phenomenally difficult. Frankly if they managed it and could continue the pace Apple is screwed whatever they do.
If you aren't a developer this is basically the reason Delicious Library and other similar applications are Mac only
.However in terms of non-developer features IMO they are about level with Microsoft. In ease of use they are also ahead, but as the world has to use Windows so its not that relevant. On the mobile in terms of non-developer features they are about level, but are ahead on ease of use. They are also probably ahead from a developer perspective, but I don't know enough about mobile development to make a better judgement than that, but it is almost certainly only a maximum of a couple of years maybe three.
All-in-all they need to keep going with the mobile side but even if they do have great underlying features to add to Mac OS X there is truly no point in showing their cards now other than to give the competition time to copy them. However they are clearly fixing the niggles with the OS as Microsoft should have done when they won the browser wars.
It is fair to ask whether Apple is stretched too thin. The delay in shipping Leopard, and the issues with the first release strongly suggests that they can't hire enough talent to move everything forward at the same time. That's the price of success I suppose.
What would they talk about at WWDC if there was no iPhone? Not much, is my answer.
What would they talk about at WWDC if there was no iPhone? Not much, is my answer.
Thanks! That's what I meant to say. That's what I see as a problem. "Me Talk Pretty One Day".
That's true, personally I think they straining a bit, but should be OK as long as they don't expand into any new markets.
Going mobile wasn't really that much of an option, as the iPod would have been "killed" by another phone soon enough, and you can see how much the iPod can be undercut in price
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Why does there have to be a bitching about the keynote thread every year, guys?
Because there were no Macintosh updates it gives us something to do instead of complaining about problems with those.
Because there were no Macintosh updates it gives us something to do instead of complaining about problems with those.
Of course, when Apple introduces a skulltrail rig running OS X, people will whine because they think "skulltrail" is a stupid name for a motherboard.
Not at all; there's no reason to be worried. After every keynote Steve's health is brought into question, and every time it's unwarranted.
As I said before, he doesn't look different, he didn't sound different, nor did he act different. I wouldn't be half surprised if Apple made the "common bug" story up months ago, predicting this would happen.
Oh I'm not worried about him, I was just posting that link so all the people who were worried could calm their fears.
I disagree with you (just a little!
)I think the Snow Leopard release is much bigger than Apple are making out. I think they're trying to downplay it - but I think it's going to be a 'stealth' project to attack Microsoft head on.
Apple seems to have spent a lot of time with the new iPhone talking to big businesses and making sure it works for them. I expect they've made some friends too ('Apple, please save us from Microsoft!')
The fact that Apple is adding exchange server support to Leopard, and client support too is the biggie. For the first time in more than a decade, Apple is actually showing some intent that it's going back into businesses. I think they will be welcomed with open arms this time. This is a massive departure from the last 10 years of home/internet appliance/iLife type focus - and I think it's an extremely strong re-affirmation in the Mac.
well if there was no iPhone, hypothetically of course there would be something else to talk about. and something else that would dominate the entire keynote probably. probably snow leopard or some other OS X, and Leopard wouldn't have been delayed. but it could've been a tablet device released instead and talking about development for that. etc.
is apple stretched too thin? i don't think so, i think they're playing the marketing game as usual.
Yup, 2003 WWDC to be exact.
iPhone is opening the floodgates to Apple, with the only thing holding it back is AT&T (in america, then again, if I can afford an iPhone, I'd be more than willing to pay for AT&T, which makes the argument moot)
Why did all those keynotes in the past focus so much on the Mac?
OS X, Steve Jobs and co. wanted to nail it into our heads that not only did they have the fastest computers, but the most advanced OS in the world.
But then the iPhone came around with the revolution of Multi-Touch. Apple is molding around a Portable lifestyle, why do you think they are cutting down OS X and cleaning it up in Snow Leopard? Portable devices with very little space, such as the Air, do not have the space and would help big time if the OS is slimmed down.
So to sum up my long ass post, what did I think of WWDC 08? Apple is AGGRESSIVELY pushing out iPhone, willing to sell it at the same price as an 8 gig iPod Nano just to get the customer base to grow. I think it's great. I know for a fact that when I do get enough $ I will own an iPhone. No point for a laptop for me if I have an iPhone that knocks out a laptop/iPod/and any other Phone.
It was, but the G5 was very important to developers because it ushered in 64-bit development options for Mac devs. The Intel transition was announced at WWDC because of its implications for developers. The same happened yesterday with the iPhone (remember, Apple has a WWDC programme specifically for iPhone devolpers this year).
The pattern for hardware announcemends at WWDC is that they always have a strong impact on third-party developers.
Not really. He really does look a lot different. I thought perhaps it was being exaggerated a bit, but this is definitely noticeable. This is the first keynote I have followed in 2 years (amazing, I know), and I have never really bothered reading articles, or looked at photos since then. I'd read about the new products on the MR front page, or at the forums, and go directly to Apple.com to check out new products. Now that I have stayed awake for this one (it started at 3 AM here in Australia), he does look 15-20 lbs skinnier than in the last photos I saw of him. Look at his face. Maybe my memory of Jobs' appearance in the past isn't accurate.
Brilliant!
iShaver! You can talk on the phone, shave your beard, and vibrate mode would be just like one of those "power" shavers...
