I'm personally quite happy with Mavericks, was thinking of upgrading to El Cap but after reading about all the bugs will stick with Mavericks as it runs smoothly on my late 2012 iMac.
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Worth upgrading to El Capitan?
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I usually wait for the .5 releases and then upgrade. By that time, most of the bugs are gone, all the apps are updated and support the OS.
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My Mac worked fine under its original Mavericks.
It still worked fine when upgrading (not doing a clean install) to Yosemite.
I do not remember any application which refused the change of OS.Every effort to upgrade to El Capitan was unfortunately very disappointing since the Mac now refused to shut down in the usual and normal way (the opposite of boot).
I had to cut each time the power supply.
Not something to be acceptable.
That forced me to do a clean install of the new OS and every application possible (some refused it
), an effort which I could happily avoid in the previous upgrade.After about a month in El Capitan I do not see any advantage justifying the change of OS.
If I had to do it again I am not sure I would repeat it.
Neither from Mavericks to Yosemite nor now going to El Capitan was anything working so much better IMHO that I might notice it.
I liked much better the desktop, the icons and the dock of Mavericks.
However a downgrade would now be hazardous and I would probably lose many things.
Therefore it remains as it is, hoping that coming updates of OSX 10.11 will improve it.
Ed
Same here. If I could somehow downgrade my Time Machine backups, I'd go back to Yosemite.
I usually do a clean install. This time however, I upgraded from Mavericks to El Capitan. No problems at all. My mini runs very well. I don't regret the upgrade at all.
I've decided to stay with Mavericks after having some time to play with El Capitan. <- It didn't really jump out at me to justify an upgrade. I'm not sure if upgrade is even the right word for my scenario and probably for a lot of others, in that Mavericks has given me zero issues, while remaining extremely stable without a hiccup since the day of release. The nice thing is...if and when...it's there for the taking .
No loss, no gain. Perfectly happy. Between 10.9 to 10.11 it's only about a matter of personal preference over anything else really...
No loss, no gain. Perfectly happy. Between 10.9 to 10.11 it's only about a matter of personal preference over anything else really...
So I've got a late 2012 cMBP running Mavericks (upgraded from original ML). I don't have any particular need to upgrade except the new version of Quicken claims to require at least 10.10. Am I going to kill my computer if I install El Capitan? Anyone know if Quicken really, really needs 10.10 to run?
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To find out by yourself without any risk, why not make a clone of your system. If you just upgrade the clone you can judge by yourself the advantages and disadvantages of any change for the whole and also for Quicken.
However if Quicken truly refuses to work in your system under your present OSX you might not have any choice...
Even if you learn that it might work for others...the main thing is if it works for you or doesn't.
Ed
If a given version doesn't offer you anything then there's really no reason to upgrade.
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To find out by yourself without any risk, why not make a clone of your system. If you just upgrade the clone you can judge by yourself the advantages and disadvantages of any change for the whole and also for Quicken.
However if Quicken truly refuses to work in your system under your present OSX you might not have any choice...
Even if you learn that it might work for others...the main thing is if it works for you or doesn't.
Ed
So you're suggesting to upgrade the CLONED external drive, not my hard drive to El Capitan? I guess that is safer than upgrading my hard drive, and having to restore my hard drive in case it wreaks havoc.
I just upgraded my MBP to El Capitan a few days ago as I got a Magic Keyboard and Magic Trackpad 2. The whole process to download and upgrade took about 45 minutes and so far I haven't run into any issues. However, I also don't notice a huge difference from Yosemite (although Split View is nice on an external monitor). So is it worth upgrading? Probably not if you don't have any issues with the OS X version you're on.
IMO and for more reasons I can mention than not, it's simply not worth it. I've found mavericks to be the perfect balancing point for now. It's new enough to be able to play nicely with any apps all the while it has a proven track record to be as stable as a rock.
In my eyes, 10.10 and 10.11 isn't polished enough to be called an upgrade.
Not Sure I totally agree with you on the El Capitan is no disaster, as some users may disagree with you. However I am at a point that i May break down and give it a try but not until i back my Yosemite system up totally with CCC. And I agree also about Apple should release new operating systems no more than every 2 years as it is , they release them yearly and take up the whole year trying to fix it better when they should have just spent more time in the first place.
according to some users on this forum, literally everything apple does is a disaster ....
That doesn't make it true.
I couldn't agree more and have said the same thing myself many times, an OS that was spot on every 2 years would be my ideal.
I was compelled to return to 10.10.5 solely due to Apple`s own applications nor performing as expected, breaking my workflow. Completely agree Apple should revert to a 2 year cycle minimum. The current hastily released versions of OS X can and do present significant issue to some of their customers, equally it would appear 80% is good enough...
As much I as don't want to move to Windows, it`s starting to look more viable from a point of stability. OS X in recent years has become far more sensitive to hardware & software, if all aligns your "golden" if not your "out in the cold" until Apple see`s fit to issue a fix. Currently 10.11 does not work for me, therefore I have little confidence this will be resolved with new hardware (2016), or maybe it will, only to be broken again on 10.12.
My options are simple, remain on 10.10.5 with no hardware upgrade, or change platforms. I could wait on 10.12 or 10.13 and so the cycle continues. From desktop users point of view I see little value in OS X following IOS`s 12 monthly update cycle, with the net result being a degradation in the quality of the end product. From a productivity point of view I want stability, security, not eye candy & toys...
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Just out of curiosity have you tried installing a fresh install of El Capitan? Maybe there is something in your current image that is corrupted just enough to cause little issues but not brick the thing.
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By now you have in your thread a nice reflexion of what is going on in real life.
Some people upgraded to El Capitan with no special problems. They tell you therefore to do the jump right now.
Others tried it (I did) and found very serious problems.
Since this is not a discussion about politics, religion or any other controversial matter with people for it and people against it, you should assume that those reporting problems and bugs are sincerely telling the truth.
The old argument mentioned above that only complaining people take the trouble to write and satisfied people don't say so, is, pardon me the expression, bulls***t.
I find that Apple does a lot of wonderful things including the Mac OSX system and countless people in the world think the same.
I am proud of my MP end 2013 (although made by humans and therefore not perfect).
I even bought second hand an old black MB early 2008 and love it.
This post is being written in my good old iPad 2, which shows here and there its age but still serves me good.
Regarding OSX personally I liked the design of Mavericks but even after upgrading to Yosemite I had no serious problems like kernel panics and the like.
Now I tried El Capitan without any opinion for or against it and it made my MP mad to the point it would only shut down by cutting the power supply.
Some people (with or without problems and bugs) believe that there is no hurry.
To upgrade after several updates can only be positive and cause no harm.
I think they are proning a reasonable policy.
Unless you absolutely need right now SIP or any other feature only available in 10.11, why risk to found yourself, (maybe), not among the lucky "AllRight"-upgraders but among the "bug-suffering" ones?
Apple delivers the new OSX free of charge but without any warranty it will satisfy the needs of the user, AFAIK.
This is my personal humble opinion and the way I intend to act.
Ed
I had to be forceful with my Mini to get it to install El Capitan from Yosemite because something got jacked up in the format of the drive. Not only would it not upgrade the OS but it started to cause reboots too.
After going through terminal (fusion drives are a major pain in the ass to reformat and disk utility is zero help) and following a list of commands and then going through the restore option the Mini is back up and running and running beautifully.
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Hello Daisy81
In my case i HAD to make a clean install since upgrading from Yosemite did not bring a "normally" working system.
I am not fond of installing again everything, not just the OS but most of the software.
However the so called "clean install" means precisely THAT.
Strangely though, after my "clean" install I could not use the new BootCamp to install Windows.
The actually CREATED and NTFS formatted partition... was not "seen"
This forced me to reinstall temporarirly Yosemite just to use THAT BootCamp.
It went through a merry go round of cloning to an external drive the El Capitan, booting from it to erase 10.11 and install 10.10 until Windows was successfully there.
Then again booting from the external drive, erase the Yosemite and clone back El Capitan to where it previously was.
It reminds me of scenes of the Three Stooges or the Marx Brothers old films.
Somehow we are getting used to absurdity...as long as it works.
Do you remember that famous true words a genius once said?
"Practice is when everything works and nobody knows why"
"Theory is when we know everything but nothing works"
"We have here succeeded to join theory to practice"
"Nothing works and nobody knows why"
ALBERT EINSTEIN
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Hello Daisy81
In my case i HAD to make a clean install since upgrading from Yosemite did not bring a "normally" working system.
I am not fond of installing again everything, not just the OS but most of the software.
However the so called "clean install" means precisely THAT.
Strangely though, after my "clean" install I could not use the new BootCamp to install Windows.
The actually CREATED and NTFS formatted partition... was not "seen"
This forced me to reinstall temporarirly Yosemite just to use THAT BootCamp.
It went through a merry go round of cloning to an external drive the El Capitan, booting from it to erase 10.11 and install 10.10 until Windows was successfully there.
Then again booting from the external drive, erase the Yosemite and clone back El Capitan to where it previously was.
It reminds me of scenes of the Three Stooges or the Marx Brothers old films.
Somehow we are getting used to absurdity...as long as it works.
Do you remember that famous true words a genius once said?
"Practice is when everything works and nobody knows why"
"Theory is when we know everything but nothing works"
"We have here succeeded to join theory to practice"
"Nothing works and nobody knows why"
ALBERT EINSTEIN
I'm sorry that you are having so many issues with your machine.
That sounds pretty brutal.Once you get it to the point where you have a good image for the drive clone it. That way if anything goes wrong again you can nuke the drive and restore the cloned image to it.
***That is an awesome quote.
I'm sorry that you are having so many issues with your machine.
That sounds pretty brutal.Once you get it to the point where you have a good image for the drive clone it. That way if anything goes wrong again you can nuke the drive and restore the cloned image to it.
Thank you.
By now I am regularly making clones every couple of weeks.
If something goes wrong (it happened) I only lose the new things from the time of the latest clone.
I also use Time Machine as a double safety measure.
There is not such a thing like TOO MUCH PRECAUTION.
Ed
That's what I do, I use TM for easy restore items, i.e., deleted that document by accident or even if I updated it and made a mess of things.
CCC is used for those times, that the entire system needs to be restored.
Maflynn,
I recently purchased the Dell XPS 8900 as my older XPS 420 finally reached its end life and like it very much. It is a rock solid machine and Win 10 is running flawlessly. That being said, I will also be purchasing a new 5K iMac in the near future and will be in computer geek heaven shortly thereafter. I run/use both Windows and OS X now as there is no way for me to totally move to one or the other exclusively. I only somewhat recently (October 2014) became OS X aware and now enjoy the best of both worlds.
I'm extremely happy with El Capitan and how it performs on my Early-2011 MBP. Every point release seems to improve it and it's on par with how it used to perform in Mavericks now.