Zombie and Necro'd threads as far as the eye can see. The usual suspects chasing each other's tails. Ad hoc b.s. just spewed back and forth. What a mess. How many more circular conversations can you have before you've had your fill?
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Would a new Mac Pro resuscitate this forum?
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Unfortunately this is the longest dry spell in Mac pro history and the only people left are a few die hards keeping their ancient cheese grater towers going, those with actual hardware questions looking for answers, and the rest are Windows/Hackinstosh converts who love to tell everyone that they've become Windows/Hackintosh converts. It's like hanging out at the BMW dealership to tell everyone there how much you love your Honda everyday.
Well yes I imagine a new model would trigger a lot of new threads. There just really isn't anything to get excited about right now. Most of the recent discussion seems to be about video cards we can't even use in OS X.
Let's see what happens when Sierra hits with official eGPU support. Especially if they don't exclude TB2 Macs.
Suppose there is a reasonably good new Mac Pro released before the end of this year. (Of course, what's "reasonably good" is different for everybody. Here let's just say it meets YOUR "reasonably good" definition.) How will you view the nearly 1000 days of no updates in the past nearly three years? Will you still think that Apple does not care about pro users? I am just curious.
Personally, this won't change my belief that Apple does not care about pro users.
Personally, this won't change my belief that Apple does not care about pro users.
So your solution is to post a thread whining about it? Those threads seem to keep the activity of this forum up. But feel free to start a constructive thread about the Mac Pro.
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I think once the 7,1 comes out there will be tons of threads on here complaining about how stingy and conservative the specs are and how their $1500 dollar DIY gaming PC is "just as fast" and how Apple is sooo doomed because they don't cater to "pros"- i.e hardware enthusiasts that don't really do any actual work and just argue on forums or read tech blogs all day.
I suggested to the mods a few months ago to clean out the really problematic members (wont name any names), because there were entire threads being made, or innocent threads being derailed, purely just to bash Apple and the nMP with synthetic specs and benchmarks that have little real world merit. Those members were banned but their spirit lives on in a number of new guys that are active in the usual problem threads.
I tend to just ignore this place more often because its really gotten toxic. It's funny how PC-enthusiasts always spread the most vitriol. If their preferred platform is so much better then shouldn't they be enjoying it and not complaining about Apple on an Apple forum? Further, if you think Apple and/or the MP program is so doomed then why do you even bother staying here? Oh right, because you're just trying to flame for the attention.
I suggested to the mods a few months ago to clean out the really problematic members (wont name any names), because there were entire threads being made, or innocent threads being derailed, purely just to bash Apple and the nMP with synthetic specs and benchmarks that have little real world merit. Those members were banned but their spirit lives on in a number of new guys that are active in the usual problem threads.
I tend to just ignore this place more often because its really gotten toxic. It's funny how PC-enthusiasts always spread the most vitriol. If their preferred platform is so much better then shouldn't they be enjoying it and not complaining about Apple on an Apple forum? Further, if you think Apple and/or the MP program is so doomed then why do you even bother staying here? Oh right, because you're just trying to flame for the attention.
Once they began gluing batteries into some of their products, it's only a matter of time till they put all their eggs in the "buy it RIGHT NOW basket" i.e smart phones and new cheaper! faster! crummy!! mensesphones that are so smart they will order stuff they are sure you are going to love all on their own and based upon things that may have been on a page you passed thru accidentally. Everyone will have an equal opportunity to have more STUFF. I'm not immune to getting stuff either but few of us including me, really need most of it. Tools of our trade excepted........
Ron
P.S. I doubt it but there could be several people on this forum who have not looked at The Story Of Stuff on line. Worth checking out. Some mentioned fondly their cheese grater.... last nite about 3am I inadvertently put 2 cds in the upper super drive. It sounded like it was grinding them to dust. I had to hold in the button to get it to stop. It spit them out on restart.
I think this forum will come around if the 7.1 features a new design. If it's just a spec bump and some new I/O connections, then this forum will probably get worse.
I think the unprecedented time frame since the last Mac Pro release is lending credence to the possibility of a redesign. If that doesn't happen, look out...
I think the unprecedented time frame since the last Mac Pro release is lending credence to the possibility of a redesign. If that doesn't happen, look out...
Look out is right! Posters won't be shouting at one another, the target will be Apple! There is lots of ammunition for the up coming war! That's all they will be worth if Apple blows it with the 7,1!
The only rumor that I know that may indicate another mac pro is apple code in el capitan. It appeared in the past that there weren't any clues/indicators from macOS. Therefore, there may be mac pro coming up like hush update...
None of this AMD stuff indicate anything about upcoming of mac pro.
It's more of potential talk and people trying to make some sense in connecting pieces together to solve this puzzle.
Maybe MR should rename Mac pro forum into hackintosh or hobby forum.
None of this AMD stuff indicate anything about upcoming of mac pro.
It's more of potential talk and people trying to make some sense in connecting pieces together to solve this puzzle.
Maybe MR should rename Mac pro forum into hackintosh or hobby forum.
Waiting for Mac Pro with Thunderbolt 9
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It doesn't need to be redesigned. Maybe should have 2-3 different colors that's all. All matte black would be nice.
It just needs Dual nVidia GPUs (OR an option to pick either AMD or nVidia, with latest pascal and polaris chips). Use consumer GPUs please, not workstation level. Add native SLI and CrossFire support.
It needs TB3 via USB3.1 ports.
It needs 512GB as standard for SSD.
It needs 16GB as standard and cheap upgrade to RAM up to 128GB. I just bought 64GB DDR4 RAM for $230.
They need to dump Xeon chipset and use consumer grade Intel CPU's, which have better single core performance than Xeon chips. If they do stick to Xeon, then make it affordable to jump between cores. Upto 24 cores.
OR they should dump one of the GPUs and add dual CPU option and 1 crazy fast GPU like the GTX1080 (or TI).
TB3 supports native eGPU (or any PCIe device) and something needs to happen with that industry so it's more affordable and people can upgrade the eGPU when they want to.
People are still keeping the cMPs because they can upgrade the parts in them for cheap and max it out...but the biggest thing is the GPU and price keeping back the nMP.
Shame on Apple.
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It doesn't need to be redesigned. Maybe should have 2-3 different colors that's all. All matte black would be nice.
It just needs Dual nVidia GPUs (OR an option to pick either AMD or nVidia, with latest pascal and polaris chips). Use consumer GPUs please, not workstation level. Add native SLI and CrossFire support.
It needs TB3 via USB3.1 ports.
It needs 512GB as standard for SSD.
It needs 16GB as standard and cheap upgrade to RAM up to 128GB. I just bought 64GB DDR4 RAM for $230.
They need to dump Xeon chipset and use consumer grade Intel CPU's, which have better single core performance than Xeon chips. If they do stick to Xeon, then make it affordable to jump between cores. Upto 24 cores.
OR they should dump one of the GPUs and add dual CPU option and 1 crazy fast GPU like the GTX1080 (or TI).
TB3 supports native eGPU (or any PCIe device) and something needs to happen with that industry so it's more affordable and people can upgrade the eGPU when they want to.
People are still keeping the cMPs because they can upgrade the parts in them for cheap and max it out...but the biggest thing is the GPU and price keeping back the nMP.
Shame on Apple.
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The anti-Apple/Mac/nMP crowd has just taken over with their non-stop toxic vitriol. It's mostly the same players dragging everyone down. I got so sick of it that I took a 6 month break from MR, checked back in last month and it was all the same nonsense from mostly the same folks... just made it all the more apparent how many people here are off their rocker.
Honestly, you have to be a little off your rocker to hang out here for years on end making the exact same put-downs of a product you don't want to buy or use. I added a few more posts to the "discussion", ran into the same old bullies whose MO is to twist words and take them out of context, claim things were said that weren't, move the goalposts, be needlessly pedantic, snarky one-liners, etc. I logged back out after a couple weeks. This just isn't a long-term hangout for those who have a life and don't want to spend it bickering with malcontents.
Honestly though, it's not that much different then many of the other subforums - the Mini, iMac, the new MacBook, etc. all have large contingents of trolls that just endlessly bash those products... same people over and over again in every thread. Occasionally one will disappear here and there only to be replaced by new crazies. The only difference is those products have a wider user-base, so it's diluted a bit more amongst the typical support questions and general product discussions.
Not sure about that. Means that Schiller would have to eat crow.
I would regain some respect for Apple if Phil came out and said something like:
"We wanted to create a new generation of workstation, and we feel we did that with the New MacPro, but the market didn't seem to be ready for it. So we're going back to a more traditional design, something many of our loyal customers have been asking us for. You spoke, we listened. We're not afraid to admit we make mistakes. Ladies and gentleman, the all New 2016 Mac Pro...etc..."
"We wanted to create a new generation of workstation, and we feel we did that with the New MacPro, but the market didn't seem to be ready for it. So we're going back to a more traditional design, something many of our loyal customers have been asking us for. You spoke, we listened. We're not afraid to admit we make mistakes. Ladies and gentleman, the all New 2016 Mac Pro...etc..."
Seems like Apple made a risky move on the nMP, thinking that all the Mac Pro owners would flock to it, but that just didn't happen. I'm sure many people did opt for the nMP, but overall, I'm thinking the sales failed to reach their internal benchmarks. I have no idea, but the lack of any real attention, seems to indicate that they may be putting it out to pasture.
While this is an apples to oranges comparison, I still can't help but think of what Apple did with Aperture and how it mirrors what they're doing with the nMP. Apple let Aperture whither on the vine, much like they're doing with the nMP
While this is an apples to oranges comparison, I still can't help but think of what Apple did with Aperture and how it mirrors what they're doing with the nMP. Apple let Aperture whither on the vine, much like they're doing with the nMP
I flocked.
It worked for me.
The compact design, no noise, and nMP flexibility fits for me.
Otherwise, I had planned on stacking Mac minis. No longer.
I'm selling my Mac Minis to get more cylinders. At lower prices.
My computing future looks strong & flexible.
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Apple's mistake was not in making the MP6,1, the mistake was dropping the tower.
They don't need to drop the tube in order to bring back a new tower.
Do you think Apple is having reality shock after they released nMP and the outcome of it?
Again, despite what lots of people say, I cannot imagine that Apple would not at least continue to update the tube / produce another tower. Some developers need it. FCPX pros need it. It won't ever be a big seller, but how can they deny powerful computers to the developers that make the stuff that runs on so many of their popular consumer products?
I cannot imagine the logic behind apple ceasing to sell a workstation that runs their proprietary software better than anything else in their lineup. I can completely understand the logic behind not making it a priority, but there is really a massive difference between letting the lineup languish and cancelling it altogether.
The only way I see this happening would be if they licensed OS X to somebody like HP to make exclusive Mac edition workstations, an idea bandied about on here in the past.
I know people like to point out that Apple's core business couldn't have less to do with workstations these days, and that opinion is 100% correct. But there's a huge difference between that reality and the decision to deny content creators a powerful machine that runs OS X.
I cannot imagine the logic behind apple ceasing to sell a workstation that runs their proprietary software better than anything else in their lineup. I can completely understand the logic behind not making it a priority, but there is really a massive difference between letting the lineup languish and cancelling it altogether.
The only way I see this happening would be if they licensed OS X to somebody like HP to make exclusive Mac edition workstations, an idea bandied about on here in the past.
I know people like to point out that Apple's core business couldn't have less to do with workstations these days, and that opinion is 100% correct. But there's a huge difference between that reality and the decision to deny content creators a powerful machine that runs OS X.