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Would a new Mac Pro resuscitate this forum?
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I didn't say anything of their financial prowess, but if they don't start developing new, "insanely great" products soon, their financial status will start degrading rapidly. You're thinking short term like most small minded people. The profits they enjoy now are solely based upon the products/legacy of Steve Jobs. Tim Cook has yet to prove he's able to release anything that could provide long term profitability. He's riding the Jobs wave.
All that really means is that there never was a MacPro and we're actually hooked up to a Microsoft PC network which allowed us to believe that we were thinking different and using a MacPro. OMG, I'm waking up out of the matrix and I think I'm going to barf since I've been in it too long...
'insanely great' products come along very rarely.. apple has pretty much had two so far.. the mac and the iPod..
if simply using the two other insanely great products for the tempo, Apple isn't due for another insanely great product until 2018.
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as a side note, i think the forum should come to agreement that anyone giving financial advice to apple as a means to back up their point .. invokes some sort of godwin's law..
i.e. the debate goes to the favor of the person being spoken to... however, the person can opt to post their business's bank statement with balance of at least 9 figures then their argument can be taken seriously without the automatic loss.
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So like Hitler, you want to shut down free speech?
yes, that is completely accurate...
Apples financial success is great for Apple the company, but it stinks for Apple computers. When all Mac sales only account for 12% revenue, what is the urgency to deliver updated computer products. As we are all seeing not much urgency, not much at all. Hopefully this update chasm is due to Apple repeatedly refining new designs until they get to a point that the design reaches there rather absurd requirements. Sometimes this works out well, my 2011 MBP is the most solid laptop I've ever owned.
Even though I have many issues with the MP 6,1 I might buy it if they just made some minor adjustments. Number one would be to provide a single GPU option. The second GPU math co-processor is useless to me. Then offer a SSD drive bay the fits in the emptied GPU slot. Allow that drive bay to hold 3 non-proprietary SSD sticks. I think such an option would widen the user appeal for a MP 7,1, without Apple having to eat crow about their design revolution. Or just sell two MP, designs, a tower and a tube.
Yes I know that two MP designs will never happen. But, offering more build to order options in the MP 7,1 seems at least something that could happen. If only Apple would pull the stick out of its ass.
Even though I have many issues with the MP 6,1 I might buy it if they just made some minor adjustments. Number one would be to provide a single GPU option. The second GPU math co-processor is useless to me. Then offer a SSD drive bay the fits in the emptied GPU slot. Allow that drive bay to hold 3 non-proprietary SSD sticks. I think such an option would widen the user appeal for a MP 7,1, without Apple having to eat crow about their design revolution. Or just sell two MP, designs, a tower and a tube.
Yes I know that two MP designs will never happen. But, offering more build to order options in the MP 7,1 seems at least something that could happen. If only Apple would pull the stick out of its ass.
Since ditching the second GPU would free up 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes - why not four PCIe x4 NVMe blades?
Physical space? Also the fourth slot would be the existing GPU SSD piggy back slot.
That means that there are 20 PCIe lanes, and five NVMe blades!
There are some pretty tall capacitors and other stuff on the GPU. Angle the PCIe slots (kind of like the DIMMs) to use the taller central area. Imagine //_\\ for the five blades (but much flatter).
That means that there are 20 PCIe lanes, and five NVMe blades!
There are some pretty tall capacitors and other stuff on the GPU. Angle the PCIe slots (kind of like the DIMMs) to use the taller central area. Imagine //_\\ for the five blades (but much flatter).
Yeah, I see where your going with that idea, and its pretty clever. If you can pull it off with standard connectors, that is. I was thinking the sticks would be piggy backed like the current MP 6,1, but just 3 side by side. Your design would definitely allow 4 sticks, and 4 sticks / 16 freed PCIe lanes yields 4 lanes per stick. That could yield some pretty awesome scary(0) RAID performance.
You're buying last year's NVMe drives....
Or looking at the wrong benchmarks.
Single stream performance on NVMe drives blows the socks off of AHCI drives.
Multi-stream performance (and "multi-stream" means tens to thousands of IOs in parallel) blows the socks off of single stream performance on NVMe.
Probably true for six to twelve months. In fact, my HPE ProLiant servers with NVMe cages use a PCIe switch that goes one PCIe 3.0 x8 to six PCIe 3.0 x8 (8 lanes to 24 lanes) for the drives. In mid-2016, that's a reasonable stretch for bandwidth. Some hit on worst-case benchmarks, but great for most real-world applications.
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On the other hand, the Mac Pro seems to be on a "once per decade" upgrade cycle, at least if you take Phil literally. I would hope that the "innovators" would not base a new 7,1 on storage technology that was already a year or two on the market.
The last time that the innovators did the "year or two on the market" thing we got the MP6,1.
Agree...Worked for me once 10.11.6 came out. Seemed to fix the issues and runs fast and does the job. Runs a little hot, but expected with what I throw at it concerning video. Saved many hours on processing time. $ Still fast though it is 2013 tech (really came out in 2014 if you think about it). Two years old, so what, it does the job.
Other than dropping the price, what can they do? I am really sick of people acting like the latest processors are 300% better than even the previous generation. Even on the laptops. I do not notice a difference between my 2010 Mac Pro and my 2015 custom built system because they are both 6 core at 3.33Ghz. But one has a newer model (i7) and the other has the older server model (Xeon).
That system was a pretty big waste of money. Other than SATA 3 and USB 3, I did not really gain anything. I JUST upgraded to a GTX 1080, so at least I gained that JUST now though. That was $700 though. Before, I used a GTX 980, which OS X was able to run just fine. My GTX 980 is back in my Mac now.
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I think this is why people get confused and complain. These are supposed to be workstations. Therefore, Xeons and workstation class video cards.
Hmmmm.
It may have been noted before, however, is it possible that we have hit a processing ceiling?
Good enough computing power may just be good enough for now?
Macs are small enough to just simply get another Mac to pick up the additional production requirements?
How much more time savings is achieved by the increased processing speeds?
Maybe, the next quantum bump is to have the equivalent of an IBM Watson in the size of an affordable desktop or cylinder PC?
Or are we just were we need to be and the rest of the world needs to just catch up to us?
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http://www.macvidcards.com/blog/macos-sierra-had-native-egpu-supportOfficial eGPU support in Sierra? Please tell me more!
There's definitely been a processor slowdown, but it's 2016 and time is money for some of us. Apple has dropped support for Xgrid; picking up an additional mac is a clunky workaround when the technology exists to have it all in one tidy package - that is, if your workload can even be divided amongst multiple machines.
If I can get this working with an imac update this fall, I may finally switch back to the mac. I can just throw a nice nvidia GPU in an external box for CUDA operations and keep my imac nice and cool during renders.
Word. If it works as advertised, one of these is in my immediate future:
http://www.maxexpansion.com/cube3-metal-expansion-enclosure-8-pcie-x8-slots
Along with 4 GTX 10x0.