Exactly! I wouldn't have that big of a problem with Apple neglecting the Mac Pro if I could buy a decent updated mbp with 32gb ram, dual ssds and a 4gb gpu.
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Exactly! I wouldn't have that big of a problem with Apple neglecting the Mac Pro if I could buy a decent updated mbp with 32gb ram, dual ssds and a 4gb gpu.
You just can't say anything without someone misconstruing you
Well, in this case you have a guy (flatfive) who NEVER finds any fault with Apple and is quick on this site to discount anyone who does. So in this instance, I dont think there was any 'misconsruing' going on
What was interesting to me is that the dual D700's lagged behind the single 980. Makes me wonder if Apple was a little too optimistic about the need for dual GPU's at this time.
Either that or they thought gpu was "ram" thinking having two double "ram" is great.
$599? Holy smokes. Are there less expensive options out there? Perhaps a single slot breakout box?
A quick Google search for BizoBOX 2 revealed some not so enthusiastic responses:
https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...verpriced-modified-akitio-thunder2-enclosure/
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-external-GPU-for-Mac-cheaper-than-Bizon-BOX-2
So, in your analogy, BMW is Apple/Mac and Honda is Microsoft/Windows? So you're saying that Windows is the reliable option, and Mac is the sexy performance option that is always in the shop?
For sure. My husband a few months ago upgraded his 1997 Civic to a 2016 ILX. Not because anything was wrong with the 1997 Civic, but he was bored.So, in your analogy, BMW is Apple/Mac and Honda is Microsoft/Windows? So you're saying that Windows is the reliable option, and Mac is the sexy performance option that is always in the shop?
(The fact that I recently upgraded my 1997 Euro-sedan to a 2015 top-line SUV crossover had *nothing* to do with it
).
i get it how many of you might see this as the case.. here's what's usually at play though:Well, in this case you have a guy (flatfive) who NEVER finds any fault with Apple and is quick on this site to discount anyone who does. So in this instance, I dont think there was any 'misconsruing' going on
-someone says something.
-i'll say something back like "this doesn't make too much sense"
-person feels since i'm saying their logic is flawed ...and since they're probably saying something negative at apple..
..that i'm saying something positive about Apple..
but in reality, i'm saying "this doesn't make too much sense.. your logic is flawed"..
i think if you really went looking for it, you'd find very little in the way of me cheerleading apple.. i don't love the corporation or anything like that.. far from it..
Apple seems to have gone back to the bad old days with multiple and duplicate product lines.
If Apple are going to have 3 models of laptops, they should be:
- MacBook - A budget model for students.
- MacBook Air - An ultra-portable
- MacBook Pro - A power-user type laptop, top end graphics, CPU, etc.
The iMac is a fairly decent machine, but suffers from the problem of a lack of ability to upgrade anything other than the RAM or storage.
The whole point of the Mac Pro, was a top-end machine which has the flexibility to be upgraded or configured for particular professional needs.
The "trash can" Mac Pro has been something of a mistake. Sure, it had a lot of new and interesting features when released in 2013, but there have been no updates or upgrades. At the same time, it is virtually impossible to upgrade much aside from the memory and story. Basically, you've got a souped-up iMac without a screen.
If Apple are going to have 3 models of laptops, they should be:
- MacBook - A budget model for students.
- MacBook Air - An ultra-portable
- MacBook Pro - A power-user type laptop, top end graphics, CPU, etc.
The iMac is a fairly decent machine, but suffers from the problem of a lack of ability to upgrade anything other than the RAM or storage.
The whole point of the Mac Pro, was a top-end machine which has the flexibility to be upgraded or configured for particular professional needs.
The "trash can" Mac Pro has been something of a mistake. Sure, it had a lot of new and interesting features when released in 2013, but there have been no updates or upgrades. At the same time, it is virtually impossible to upgrade much aside from the memory and story. Basically, you've got a souped-up iMac without a screen.
They already have this. The problem for some old school MBA zealots is that they missed the change that happened several years ago when the MBA moved down and "wiped out" the MacBook. Namely, the MacBook returned into the slot originaly held by the MBA when it was initially introduced:
- MacBook Air - A budget model (e.g., for students and other folks on a budget )
- MacBook - An utlra-portable
- MacBook Pro - A power-user type laptop, top end graphics, CPU, etc.
The disconnect is in wanting to use the old labels and order as opposed to what it is with the new relationship between the labels.
Pragmatically really just RAM in the 27" models. The 21" models are going drifting to no updates. Entry models are just MBA standards with a few more ports.
the point of the Mac Pro was to fill a price/value point higher than the iMac. Flexibility in and of itself probably was not the sole driving objective for Apple. some users have transfered that onto the Mac Pro but Apple ( and probably a substantive number of users) sell/buy the Mac Pro at a configuration and primarily just run it over its service lifetime as they would a laptop or iMac. Users get to pick their own screens (and keyboards , mouse , etc) but that was probably it for a max flex goal.
That is largely Apple's allocation of resources, not the core design. There have been GPUs , CPUs, SSDs, etc. to upgrade with. Apple has passed on them. For example Apple could have done an Nvidia GPU option which would have cut out a rather substantive amount of moaning and groaning in the midpoint between upgrades if the cycle was deliberately planned to take 3-4 years.
The design does need some tweaks, but Apple can't seem to walk and chew gum at the same time. If launch a Watch , more iPads , etc. then Mac design gets choked down. Even more so if fewer folks are buying ( iPod line-up is largely comatose at this point in terms of design activity and effort. ).
I wouldn't be opposed to buying a new Mac Pro this year to replace my eight year old machine. But even with the refurb discount, I can't justify the price tag for a close to three year old configuration.
So I wait...
So I wait...
If next updated doesn't show up till 2-5 years later...then current model would be justifiable ...refurbished...
Would a new MacPro bring life to this place?
Maybe, but it seems fairly active on the cMP front, IE, "MacPro" rather than the 6,1 "MacSemiPro".
It's pretty amazing to me how upgradable my 6x 3.46 5,1 still is, bigger video cards, upgraded PCIe devices, etc. Im about to put 32TB of RAID-5 in it....that is a huge amount of internal storage..that IS what a MacPro should do man!
I'd be looking at like $12K to start all over again with a 6,1 or higher and I really want to see much higher benchmarks out of them to even consider it. Right now it just reads as exponential expense for incremental gains....
Maybe, but it seems fairly active on the cMP front, IE, "MacPro" rather than the 6,1 "MacSemiPro".
It's pretty amazing to me how upgradable my 6x 3.46 5,1 still is, bigger video cards, upgraded PCIe devices, etc. Im about to put 32TB of RAID-5 in it....that is a huge amount of internal storage..that IS what a MacPro should do man!
I'd be looking at like $12K to start all over again with a 6,1 or higher and I really want to see much higher benchmarks out of them to even consider it. Right now it just reads as exponential expense for incremental gains....
So, in your analogy, BMW is Apple/Mac and Honda is Microsoft/Windows? So you're saying that Windows is the reliable option, and Mac is the sexy performance option that is always in the shop?
Sure, but one still comes off as unstable for exhibiting such behavior. Case in point, look who liked your comment. The same few who derail every thread.
I totally agree that most of the posts in this forum are stale, re-hashed material. On the other hand, as a non-expert who upgraded a 5,1 in all sorts of ways a couple of years ago, I benefited a great deal from some of those re-hashed questions about processors, GPUs, SSD upgrades, memory configurations, etc. Think of it this way. At present, the forums are helping us poor schmucks with 4+ year old computers limp along until a reasonable replacement comes up.
And let's be honest. Much as we complain about the lack of an upgrade, the information in this forum has allowed me to put together a machine that still competes favorably with current hardware.
Now don't go flaming me with current specs on a $12,000 machine. I was never in that market, and I sympathize with those who would like to use such a machine using OS X. Sadly, if Apple never does come out with something I can tinker with, I'm not sure what I'll do. I've switched to Windows products 3 times (Acer, Gateway, Dell) in my short life (usually over cost), and have always ended up back with Apple (usually due to usability). Imagine! OS 8 was more stable than the Acer or whatever PC it was we got at the time.
And let's be honest. Much as we complain about the lack of an upgrade, the information in this forum has allowed me to put together a machine that still competes favorably with current hardware.
Now don't go flaming me with current specs on a $12,000 machine. I was never in that market, and I sympathize with those who would like to use such a machine using OS X. Sadly, if Apple never does come out with something I can tinker with, I'm not sure what I'll do. I've switched to Windows products 3 times (Acer, Gateway, Dell) in my short life (usually over cost), and have always ended up back with Apple (usually due to usability). Imagine! OS 8 was more stable than the Acer or whatever PC it was we got at the time.
If apple never comes with something you can't tinker with.........HMM....
This young fellow in the video wouldn't mind.
But I hear ya.
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OS 8? Is that the last time you used Windows? If so time to take another look as it has changed considerably since then.
The last Mac Pro is still a very capable machine for the right people. I just can't justify the price right now.
Look at this article from FCPX.co
http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/art...aw-for-the-forever-project-in-final-cut-pro-x
Look at this article from FCPX.co
http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/art...aw-for-the-forever-project-in-final-cut-pro-x
By using the search function, rehashing of the same threads it would help eliminate.
Apple is also not in the market for people who like to tinker with their Macs, thats more on the PC side.
This happened after 2012... Ah! and before the Quadra 900 era, <1991.
We 're back to Macintosh Classic II years.
At least they didn't think of using this misleading "Pro" title back then.
And wait and wait and wait and WATCHBANDS! and wait and wait...
Apple still didn't cater to tinkers even when they had box with slots. Hacked kexts, jerry rigged power supplies and adapters.
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Thanks for sharing! While I've seen the article, I went to read it in full. Interestedly enough, they had problems with both Premiere Pro CC & DaVinci Resolve for editing.
It seems most of them were up 24/7 weeks on end without a problem: