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Yeah, no. The 4.7" iPhone's are larger phones. An SE with a 5" screen would be perfect. Most people could still reach every corner on such a device as you can now with a 4" screen on the SE.

Uh... what you said makes no sense at all. You know 5” is actually *bigger* than 4.7”, right?
 
Uh... what you said makes no sense at all. You know 5” is actually *bigger* than 4.7”, right?
They understand. But also remember that if the phone becomes edge-to-edge like the iPhone X, it won’t have to be a big phone to have a 5” screen. The iPhone X has a 5.8” screen, but the phone itself is smaller than the 6/6s/7/8 Plus (which has a 5.5” screen).
 
After I shattered the glass on my iPhone 6s last Christmas I bought a used SE in pristine condition. I had other choices as well, but I never liked the form factor after the 4s anyway. The SE is small enough for me to navigate with one hand, but there are some issues because the touch targets are sometimes too close and I hit the wrong buttons. My use for the SE is small, I don't really use it that much more than a phone/podcast/music player with some other functionality.

Ironically I could see myself with the 8 Plus after seeing my girlfriend getting the 7 Plus, the middle ground was just a bit weird in my sense, whereas the biggest seems more like a small iPad. In a sense I would like to have the ol' 4s form and feel, or even smaller due to how little I actually use it. Otherwise I'd go big.

If there came an SE2, I would surely get that without hesitating, I want something small (or very big).
 
It's amazing that In 2018 a phone released in 2016 with a body from 2012 (5) and internals from 2015 (6s) continues to wow a good amount of people

Tech doesn't age well. But SE does :D
 
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The biggest misconception people have about the SE: Apple is targeting those who want small phones.

In reality, the SE is a low-cost iPhone targeted at price sensitive consumers.

In retrospect, it’s not just about the size of the iPhone SE, It was also Regarding the affordable price point that Apple offered as an entry-level iPhone. I know you’re inferring India’s market for the SE continually, but the iPhone is inexpensive enough where someone can pay cash without having to finance it and still have the iOS experience. It’s the same concept why Apple implemented the 2017 9.7 iPad starting at $329, which allowed the consumer to still experience the iPad in iOS without having to spend iPad Pro prices.


Everything from the long refresh cycle to the time it was it introduced (out of cycle with the premium iPhones), assembly in India, to the aggressive pricing around the world (especially in SE Asia) tells me it's a low-cost phone.

Just to clarify, the iPhone SE was never intended and will never be intended to be an upgraded iPhone annually. (Apple doesn’t even market the iPhone SE at all). I think that’s evident because of the materials used, with the 5S chassis, dated technology and display, and in order to keep the price point, Apple did not include features like 3D Touch, Haptic engine, ect.

Almost Half of the iPhone SE sales are in direct contribution from the U.S and China.


If anyone listens to the Q3'2016 earnings conference call with Apple immediately after the launch of iPhone SE, Tim Cook says the iPhone SE strategy is working: "We added millions of first-time iPhone buyers in the first quarter." He doesn't say "we're happy to provide an upgrade path for those who want a small phone.".

Ask yourself what does the consumer hear during a Keynote, and the answer Is exactly what Apple wants the consumer to hear. Did you watch the March 2016 keynote? Greg Joswiak specifically stated that the iPhone SE was introduced because there was a strong outcry for those who wanted a smaller iPhone. We know the iPhone SE was not just intended for the U.S. market, but was also intended globally as well, which rightfully should be for what it cost for the iPhone outside United States.

The strategy with SE has never been to satisfy one handed users. It's nice those users appreciate the SE. But the real strategy is to get consumers who haven't bought their first iPhone (read: India) to buy the SE..

Thats not entirely true. I agree that it’s meant as a global phone, but Apple specifically stated that the SE was highly considered because of a strong vocal demographic that wanted this iPhone. See how Apple marketed the SE during the March 2016 Keynote. As I mentioned earlier it was reiterated during the launch of the SE during the March 2016 Keynote that it was intended to be for a demographic for those who wanted the smaller iPhone at an affordable price point. Those are the two major factors with the SE, not the technology itself.

Tim Cook stated that he was pleasantly surprised by the sales of the SE, which we know is due to the U.S. and China’s market.

When you look at the Apple revenue from India, it's nowhere near China. It's certainly not the next China. So it makes complete sense Apple doesn't update the SE this year. After all, it's still a very expensive phone for the majority of Indian consumers.

Although the SE can be discounted heavily in United States and can be found for as little as $150, I understand it doesn’t reflect the price globally for the price point of the SE. However, as I stated before in other threads, if the SE is not updated, undoubtedly Apple will retain it for at least another year in their lineup for reasons already mentioned.
 
I don't think I'll install iOS 12 on my iPhone SE after Apple's sloppy development recently. Looking back when the iPhone SE came out it had iOS 9 and I can't think of anything in iOS 10 and 11 that actually made it better.
The phone runs smoothly on iOS 11 at least, but I can't see it's any better or worse than back in 2016 when it came out.

Apple is addressing the sloppiness with a focus on quality over new features in future iOS iterations, per stories we have read on MacRumors. iOS 12 may not be so bad.
 
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I don't think I'll install iOS 12 on my iPhone SE after Apple's sloppy development recently. Looking back when the iPhone SE came out it had iOS 9 and I can't think of anything in iOS 10 and 11 that actually made it better.
The phone runs smoothly on iOS 11 at least, but I can't see it's any better or worse than back in 2016 when it came out.

I can’t say for iOS 11 bc I don’t have a saved file to leap to a jailbreakable version so staying on 10.2 but I agree not sure what value iOS 11 would add to this small device tho people say it runs great and some even better than 10.

But 9.3.3 to 10.2, I recall doing mostly for raise to wake and Apple watch compatibility at the time. Raise to wake is excellent
 
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In retrospect, it’s not just about the size of the iPhone SE, It was also Regarding the affordable price point that Apple offered as an entry-level iPhone. I know you’re inferring India’s market for the SE continually, but the iPhone is inexpensive enough where someone can pay cash without having to finance it and still have the iOS experience. It’s the same concept why Apple implemented the 2017 9.7 iPad starting at $329, which allowed the consumer to still experience the iPad in iOS without having to spend iPad Pro prices.




Just to clarify, the iPhone SE was never intended and will never be intended to be an upgraded iPhone annually. (Apple doesn’t even market the iPhone SE at all). I think that’s evident because of the materials used, with the 5S chassis, dated technology and display, and in order to keep the price point, Apple did not include features like 3D Touch, Haptic engine, ect.

With the long tail end of iPhone 6s, 7, and 8. I think the SE could be updated annually by de-featuring each of those models (no 3D Touch and DCI-P3) and re-branding it as SE. I think the refresh cycle depends heavily on the adoption rate of SE. If the SE is still too expensive for the target countries, Apple will drive down the cost further instead of launching an updated model.


Ask yourself what does the consumer hear during a Keynote, and the answer Is exactly what Apple wants the consumer to hear. Did you watch the March 2016 keynote? Greg Joswiak specifically stated that the iPhone SE was introduced because there was a strong outcry for those who wanted a smaller iPhone. We know the iPhone SE was not just intended for the U.S. market, but was also intended globally as well, which rightfully should be for what it cost for the iPhone outside United States.



Thats not entirely true. I agree that it’s meant as a global phone, but Apple specifically stated that the SE was highly considered because of a strong vocal demographic that wanted this iPhone. See how Apple marketed the SE during the March 2016 Keynote. As I mentioned earlier it was reiterated during the launch of the SE during the March 2016 Keynote that it was intended to be for a demographic for those who wanted the smaller iPhone at an affordable price point. Those are the two major factors with the SE, not the technology itself.

Apple positions products differently in keynotes vs. earnings calls.

One is a glorified marketing presentation where Apple wants to preserve the premium iPhone branding. The other is a no-BS report card for investors.

If we look at how Apple presented the iPhone 5c during the keynote in 2013, affordability was never mentioned. Instead, Apple positioned the 5c as an iPhone that "serves even more customers" because it is "more fun, more colorful." Even the 5c press release never mentions affordability. How many people were asking for a blue, green, or yellow iPhone? We both know why the 5c exists. Similarly, Apple executives aren't about to go on stage and proclaim, "we made this iPhone SE for the poor folks out there."
 
What color SE Do u guys have

I normally have black front phones but I loved going gold on it And white front. Makes the small pack a punch device even more unique to me

Good contrast with my
x silver black front and 7+ Matte black

(My contract 6s plus paid for a good part of the 7+ a year and a half ago, and got the X on contract subsidy.. my SE 64 i paid the full $499 for and still dont regret it!
 
What color SE Do u guys have

Space grey. I thought about the silver for a while but the white front doesn't do it for me. But all of the colours have their own appeal. Just looking at them is something I enjoy.

it was the size, not the price, that drove the purchase.

Same! I would have been fine to get the 8 on a US$61 per month carrier plan last September but I couldn't bring myself to accept the physical design. The US$35 plan for the SE 128GB was only a bonus. So you can't put a price on it.

And I don't know what the fuss is about with the Gen 1 Touch ID. I have just had it activated for two weeks. What's slow about it? It is as close as it can be to instant. Where's the problem? The 'zooming out' animation afterwards is what causes a delay.
 
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My SE is space gray also. I will confess both form factor and price were a factor. If apple had an updated 4inch phone, I likely would have bought that instead. But at $190 brand new with no contract for this phone on eBay, there was no chance in hell I was buying anything else.

I just can't fathom spending $1000+ on a phone. If my SE breaks, I will just throw it away in a year and buy a new one, no hard feelings. If I had a $1000 phone, I would have to take it to the apple store and get it repaired if it ever didn't work.
 
My SE is space gray also. I will confess both form factor and price were a factor. If apple had an updated 4inch phone, I likely would have bought that instead. But at $190 brand new with no contract for this phone on eBay, there was no chance in hell I was buying anything else.

I just can't fathom spending $1000+ on a phone. If my SE breaks, I will just throw it away in a year and buy a new one, no hard feelings. If I had a $1000 phone, I would have to take it to the apple store and get it repaired if it ever didn't work.

Even if you were to break your iPhone SE, without AppleCare, it likely wouldn’t be worth repairing, is it be worth more than the cost of the phone. But as you said, a thousand dollar iPhone is so expensive, you really don’t have a choice but to repair it if someone wants to have any chance of reselling it.
 
I sold my 64GB SE a few months ago and picked up a Huawei P10, I now really regret that decision as this phone is pretty buggy and has a few quirks i don't like.

Sooooo thinking about picking up another SE today but as they now don't sell the 64GB anymore will 32GB be enough.
 
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