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As Steve instructed Tim in his latter days...." Don't try and do what I'd do, just do what's right'

I may have the wording a bit off, but its essentially correct.

Wether this machine turns out to be right is another question which only time will tell.

Why I will probably buy one?
1)I'm making the transformation from prosumer to pro in video editing.

2) If this sucker has a breakdown, I can quickly replace it with another whilst its repaired, plugging my external stuff straight in to the replacement and continue working. I already have 2x6tb external thunderbolt drives on my desk, and looking at expanding further.

3)And for the life of me, why anyone would still want a behemoth sitting under a desk these days I don't know. I love the iMacs, but power is starting to really become an issue.
 
Apple, like just about any company, probably has a roadmap for the next several years already laid out. Steve most likely took part in the design of this MP and maybe even the next revision. I'd say he approved it when he was alive.
 
Clive, your basic argument is very well layer out, but unfortunately, it completely breaks down as soon you start claiming that external storage is not 'pro' - because its exactly the other way round. I agree that there might be some additional clutter because of added cables/outlets, but the fact remains that external storage is WAY more flexible - and also arguably more reliable (different controllers! and external power source) - than the internal one. First of all, you can have much more storage. Then, you are very flexible in the choice of the storage unit (easily hot-swappable drives, RAID controllers of your choice, etc.). The external storage unit is mobile. And with TB2, there won't be any performance difference to the internal storage either.

So, with the regard to storage, what do you get with the new Mac Pro? A standard drive which is much faster than any internal SATA drive money can buy and ultimate external expandability. For all our applications, the new Mac Pro would be a big improvement, simply because we can add new high-performance storage very quickly (which is not possible with the old Pro).

So yes, the new Mac Pro 'just works', and its also more flexible and functional then the old one.

My only criticism at the new Pro is the lack of GPU upgradeability. But then again, let's wait until we have more info. The pricing would be also very interesting.
 
Last time I checked external storage is the preferred storage medium for pros. Ever heard of Xsan OP? How about one of these?

Inb4 "that's a PCI card that the new Mac Pro wont support". I know, I'm just making a point. I'm sure it will be replaced with a Thunderbolt variant. Edit: There are many already apparently, I'm living in 2009.

You appear to be confusing people who like multiple internal hard drives and prosumers with professionals. To imply external storage and peripherals is not pro is ridiculous.
 
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Do anyone here ask themselves "Would Wozniak approve this and that"? My guess is no, since he's got no place in Apple Inc.

Forget Jobs, he plays absolutely no role in the company what so ever and it would be a hundred times better if you all just let the man rest in peace.

Change is going to come and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
 
I agree mostly with the OP. The Pro market is different than the consumer market. But still one computing solution will not make everyone happy nor fit everyone's needs. Even real Pro's with maxxed out towers still need more storage, so maybe the new MP really is what they would end up with anyways- a CPU plus more desk mounted drive enclosures.

What Steve would do? Well as others posted, he was human too. Remember he designed or approved the Puck Mouse, the worst mouse ever made. He made bad choices too. One person shouldn't be in charge without a "number 1" to at least bounce the idea off of to make sure it's not a very bad idea.
 
Last time I checked external storage is the preferred storage medium for pros. Ever heard of Xsan OP? How about one of these?

Inb4 "that's a PCI card that the new Mac Pro wont support". I know, I'm just making a point. I'm sure it will be replaced with a Thunderbolt variant. Edit: There are many already apparently, I'm living in 2009.

You appear to be confusing people who like multiple internal hard drives and prosumers with professionals. To imply external storage and peripherals is not pro is ridiculous.

It would be nice to see is the work flow that Pixar adopted for the CylMacPro. for their projects.

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As soon as TBolt spec arrived it was the demise of the internal HDD hand in hand with the ODD.
 
I've been flamed pretty hard...

Gee, I can't for the life of me understand why... :rolleyes:

I read "Would Steve Jobs have approved the new Mac Pro?" then clicked and saw "It DOES NOT just work." and my first thought was Someone wants to be flamed... Testing your new fire-retardant suit are we?

Yup, I just checked your other thread where you said:
"Hate on me all you want. You are no longer my people."

This leaves little doubt in my mind... you're trying to start a flame war - against yourself.

Pretty funny when ya think about it... Even funnier are all the unaware participants piling on to do so. :D


I'll not play. It is what it is. If you want one get one, if you don't then don't. Golly, so simple. :)
 
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Well, I'm not in a position to ask him :)

I know that Jobs considered Ive to be irreplaceable, his "soul-mate" in regards to design perspective. Though this new form factor is radically different from the current Mac Pro, Apple has never been afraid to take a different direction. With the advent of fast connection options, the massive onboard storage of the outgoing MP is nixxed in favor of a smaller form factor. This idea is also facilitated by removing most of the fans and putting the vent at the top. Hopefully we'll be able to easily access the RAM but that in addition to memory capacity remains to be seen. The modifications also reopen the EU market for this model which is savvy.

The new design is a powerful and modular computing core. This is Apple forging ahead and away from convention, which of course is what made them great in the beginning. The outgoing MP is a tried-and-true workhorse with a proven track record and hard act to follow. It's because of this reputation, I think it's premature to imply the pre-release Mac Pro will be inadequate when we haven't even given it a test drive.
 
Jobs was the iMan, and that's his legacy .

Great for Apple, bad for Macs .
From the iMac and OSX, straight to iOS and the iPhone .
I can't stop wondering what Macs would be like today, if someone who liked computers would have been in charge .
 
I was there and very very impressed watching a 20gb textured image moving around live.

I've now seen the workshop and the people at Pixar and The Foundry are more than pleased with the new Mac Pro.

The graphics heft of the new model seems to handle anything that you can throw at it.
 
First of all....

I agree with you in the way you present the "that just work" concept. Its debatible how pro users prefer external over internal expansion. But still, internal expansion can be favored, for the reasons you give and for more. I really dislike the loss of internal expansion in the new Pro. But I am more concerned with the Thunderbolt-all approach. No too many peripherals and no too affordable. The minimum thing you would add to a Pro computer will be an external HDD. And Thunderbolt ones still are a bit expensive.

About what Steve have would done....Pal, you are in troubling waters...We dont know Steve and Steve is dead. Period. And anyways, was rumored here and on another Internet outlets that Steve have planned 5 years of products for the pipeline. So, assuming that info is correct, will be higly unlikely Steve had not seen preliminary blueprints or even real designs of the new Pro.

So, I am with you in a great deal of your post. But no in the netherworld tought about Steve. Bottom line.....:D

:):apple:
 
I think the real proof of this being consistent with Jobs' vision, not to say I know this for a fact, is the existence of Thunderbolt. Conceptually, what Thunderbolt allows is access to the processors through peripherals without lag caused by the controller protocol. Whether Thunderbolt fulfills that promise is something else, but there is a market out there that is developing external devices that will operate without lag and offering expansion possibility way beyond anything that could be contained in the prior Mac Pro form factor. To lament that form factor's demise because you prefer to tinker with the insides when you can do the same thing with the outsides and not potentially void your warranty seems a narrow vision of what computers can and ought to do.

Seems to me that Apple is looking out for its pro users in ways that some of it pro users can't even recognize. Wow, what a concept, a corporation that looks after its customers' best interests.
 
I think the real proof of this being consistent with Jobs' vision, not to say I know this for a fact, is the existence of Thunderbolt. Conceptually, what Thunderbolt allows is access to the processors through peripherals without lag caused by the controller protocol. Whether Thunderbolt fulfills that promise is something else, but there is a market out there that is developing external devices that will operate without lag and offering expansion possibility way beyond anything that could be contained in the prior Mac Pro form factor.

TB is a substitute for the original Light Peak concept .

At this time, there is nothing that suggests TB will allow for performance that evenrivals technology that's been common for a decade .

Thunderbolt has been introduced a few years ago, the market for peripherals is still dismal, despite claims like yours that we heard back then and since.

The 'form factor' has got nothing to do with it . External devices are larger than internal extensions and addons, much more expensive, more noisy and less powerful .

While Einstein said 'Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler', Jobs just made it simpler, and moved the funds to marketing .
 
Why stop? We have nothing to talk about in this forum anymore. The old production line has gone away, and the new one will be so locked down it'll put an end to half the threads (which were about GPU and HD upgrades).

I meant the "Steve would have..." threads.
 
At the latest seance...the candles flickered and a cold wind swept the table. There was a sort of etherial sound of moaning and weeping. In time that subsided and gradually we heard something like "My design...magical...small...".

There was so much more I wanted to know, but then one of the kids at the table turned on his Samsung to look at porn and there was a horrid screeching sound, all the candles were blown out and the lights came on. It was over.
 
Yes Steve Jobs would have approved

It was widely reported in late 2011 that Steve Jobs had laid out a roadmap for the Apple product line for the next 4 years, so almost certainly he had an influencing hand in the new Mac Pro. Later on, products might deviate more and more, but right now we are still early into that 4 years.

I hate the new Mac Pro, but that's a separate issue altogether. I'm not so egotistical to think that just because I don't like it, Mr. Jobs wouldn't like it. After all, Steve Jobs does not design things specifically to appeal to Actionable Mango.
 
Of course Steve Jobs would have approved of the new Mac Pro. I have no doubt that Steve and Mr. Ive were behind the concept (especially as I also remember the SJ posthumous product pipeline). I also think that this is clearly the next attempt at the G4 Cube, which I believe SJ loved. I had one, and I loved it too. Even if it was overpriced, and under performing. I guess the problem with the cube is that it was really only slightly more powerful than an iMac of the time, but much more expensive. But let's face it; the new Mac Pro is going to be FAR faster than the best iMac. So basically, whether it is good or not just comes down to cost.
 
If those comments are anything like this thread title, I can see why. You have absolutely no idea what Steve Jobs would or would not have approved today. He may have been involved in the initial design of the current Mac Pro, and it was simply completed now. It gets really old hearing people moan and groan and complain about Apple products, claiming that Steve would or would not have done it this way or that. First, what he would or wouldn't have done is irrelevant, as he's not here anymore. Second, you don't know what he would have thought or done; you're only assuming. Finally, if you don't like an Apple product, don't buy it. No product will satisfy every consumer. Apple makes what they want to make. If you like a product they make, buy it. If not, don't.

Switch points 1 and 2 in priority and my sentiments exactly.
 
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