All iPads Yikes (WWDC 2021)

[pdoherty]

How? Is there any proof of this?

You do realise that Safari only is allowed to use MAX 5gb ram? And in "normal" use it's nowhere near that

You may have more than one app in use though, right?

 

[rui no onna]

You do realise that Safari only is allowed to use MAX 5gb ram? And in "normal" use it's nowhere near that

I think Safari may be an exception. It seems to me iOS deals with Safari on a per tab basis and not the entire app as a whole.

This is with 122 Safari tabs open along with Files, Mail, Messages, Marvin, Marvin SxS and of course the Usage stats app. The lion share of the usage below is bound to be Safari.

 

[HerbertDerb]

I think Safari may be an exception. It seems to me iOS deals with Safari on a per tab basis and not the entire app as a whole.

This is with 122 Safari tabs open along with Files, Mail, Messages, Marvin, Marvin SxS and of course the Usage stats app. The lion share of the usage below is bound to be Safari.

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Sure, if you regularly use more than 100+ active tabs and need quick access to them. It's worth it.

If you don't need quick access, iOS caches them in normal memory. (To my understanding). And then just reloads the page.

You may have more than one app in use though, right?

Yes, +1 App side by side in multitasking.

Personally, if your needs/work need are that you ABSOLUTELY know you need more than 8gb+ ram. (Multiple tabs open for quick access, 4 apps side by side etc.)
Then you should look seriously into Mac's

 

[pdoherty]

Also, other apps stay running too. I routinely leave Termius connected to my Linux server and minutes/hours later the connection is still up. I expect more such background processes staying running in iPadOS 15 and later with 16GB of RAM.

 

[rui no onna]

Personally, if your needs/work need are that you ABSOLUTELY know you need more than 8gb+ ram. (Multiple tabs open for quick access, 4 apps side by side etc.)
Then you should look seriously into Mac's

I already have the M1 MacBook Air. It's been sitting unused since February while I went back to using my (occasionally frustrating) 2017 iPad Pros. I'm just not a fan of the clamshell form factor which is why I got an iPad 10 years ago in the first place.

I don't see why the automatic recommendation is "get a Mac". I mean, if I needed to use virtualization or run server daemons or apps that are only available on a different platform, then yes, an iPad won't work.

Personally, I know I'll use the 1TB/16GB iPP far more than I would a similarly configured, slightly cheaper MacBook. When I need to do other stuff beyond the iPad's capabilities, then I've got a couple of Windows 10 desktops, a couple of ThinkPads and the aforementioned MBA (in order of preference).

 

[Ludatyk]

How? Is there any proof of this?

You do realise that Safari only is allowed to use MAX 5gb ram? And in "normal" use it's nowhere near that

I haven’t done any testing or anything of that nature. I don’t carry that many tabs open nor have that many shelf windows on iPadOS 15. But I’m aware that @rui no onna is a heavy Safari user, who keep 99+ safari tabs open.. regardress if 5GB RAM limit is placed on apps. Having extra RAM helps…. It’s not a hinderance.

 

[rui no onna]

I haven’t done any testing or anything of that nature. I don’t carry that many tabs open nor have that many shelf windows on iPadOS 15. But I’m aware that @rui no onna is a heavy Safari user, who keep 99+ safari tabs open.. regardress if 5GB RAM limit is placed on apps. Having extra RAM helps…. It’s not a hinderance.

I used to do the same thing on Firefox and Chrome. On Windows, it wasn't uncommon for those two apps to be using 6GB physical memory each (across multiple instances) plus additional virtual memory.

 

[ericwn]

This! And people not realizing how much that 16GB RAM will play a part in future version of iPadOS. We are living in this microwave society not looking down the road. I’m on iPadOS 15 and not trying to justify my purchase, but the new multitasking improvements (primarily the shelf) is beneficially to 16GB RAM users.

New Safari not only gives you shelves for new windows… but snap shots of tabs in use, RAM plays a part in that. I’ll be lying if I said I would of done the same thing (selling my 2018 iPP and favor of this years models), but I would of gave it some serious thought after using iPadOS 15.

Term of the day is now “microwave society “. What is that?

 

[Ludatyk]

Term of the day is now “microwave society “. What is that?

Well, in the context I was referring to... with all the noise surrounding the M1 iPP and how we are demanding (which I fall prey to) the results of why it's beneficial to iPadOS now.

From Urban Dictionary:

The mindset of wanting (and nearly getting) everything "RIGHT NOW". Technology has made gathering or sending information extremely fast and we've begun to think that everything in life should be available on demand.

The postal service is struggling because everyone wants their information right now. Letters are out, emails are in. We want our information NOW. Microwaves cook foods faster, our society wants everything faster. We are a Microwave Society.

 

[sparksd]

Well, in the context I was referring to... with all the noise surrounding the M1 iPP and how we are demanding (which I fall prey to) the results of why it's beneficial to iPadOS now.

From Urban Dictionary:

And we do mean right now - you can't take the time to verify or validate, it doesn't need to be right, it just has to get out now.

 

[StumpyBloke]

And we do mean right now - you can't take the time to verify or validate, it doesn't need to be right, it just has to get out now.

#TrueStory



Unfortunately

 

[blkjedi954]

Apple set themselves up for this one. The M1 (A14X) is an iPad chip that they put on desktop computers. iPad Pros have been stronger than Intel Macs for quite some time already. So they didn’t magically put a desktop chip on an iPad. They first put an iPad chip to the desktop and then they put the same iPad chip to the iPad.

Agreed

 

[blkjedi954]

Even iMovie is not as full featured on iOS.

I agree. But that’s the point of placing the M1 into the iPad as Apple Pro apps have been updated to run natively on M1 chips. Never mind the up to 16GB of ram. No mobile app requires that amount of RAM so expecting Pro apps IS within reason IMO.