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Zdnet makes a suggestion for Adobe, quit mac environment altogether

jaw04005

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NT1440 said:
Why anyone thinks this whole flash squabble will spill into other areas is beyond me, both companies know they depend upon each other outside the realm of flash.
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Exactly. It's all politics.

At the executive level, I don't think there's any denying that Jobs doesn't care for Adobe's current management. Bruce Chizen, the guy who previously ran Adobe, seemed to have a cordial relationship with Jobs. I'm sure the fact that he was former Claris executive and served on the board of Oracle, Larry Ellison's company, helped.

But I would imagine Apple and Adobe's actual relationship between the people that matter (product teams, etc) is very good.

Here's an interesting nostalgic keynote where Jobs addresses Apple's need to rebuild its relationship with Adobe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEHNrqPkefI#t=18m48s

Interesting that Mac market share was hovering around 7 percent there too.
 
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djellison said:
I find that utterly extraordinary - but if true, renders the Zdnet suggestion nonsensical.
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Photoshop and AfterEffects, for example, were first released for Macintosh. Photoshop for Macintosh in 1990. A Windows version came in 1992.

AfterEffects released for Macintosh in 1993. First Windows version finally came in 1997.
 
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Aeolius

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Apple could buy out the remains of Freehand and GoLive from Adobe and have the basis for Mac versions of Illustrator and Dreamweaver. iLife Pro?
 
clevin

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jaw04005 said:
And Adobe shareholders are glad you don’t run Adobe.

According to Adobe’s John Nack, Mac users account for closer to 50 percent of Photoshop’s marketshare. Similar comments have been made about the Mac platform in the past by other top ranking Adobe executives including former CEO Bruce Chizen.

"I just can't see the hoopla over Mac OS that only has 3-7% of market. Use your resources on something more people use. Get with the 64 bit and release a Vista 64 version of Photoshop CS3. We need it NOW!

[The Mac is closer to 50% of our (Photoshop's) market share. --J.]”

http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/04/photoshop_lr_64.html
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adobe doesn't need apple more than apple needs adobe, if apple would blatantly attack and quit adobe, adobe sure can do the same, photoshop is only one of adobe's card. and adobe sure understand which is more important: endure a short pain in quitting apple, or endure a long last damage in encouraging a bad behavior from apple.

Its adobe's problem if they don't have a backbone, but they are rich enough to swallow that short-term pain if they so choose. They have a 95% computer market to chew, and there is no other products on par with their offering. Their future is not dark at all.

an adobe with windows only products.
or
an apple with no adobe products.

who win, who lose? I say the answer is obvious.
 
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clevin said:
adobe doesn't need apple more than apple needs adobe, if apple would blatantly attack and quit adobe, adobe sure can do the same, photoshop is only one of adobe's card. and adobe sure understand which is more important: endure a short pain in quitting apple, or endure a long last damage in encouraging a bad behavior from apple.

Its adobe's problem if they don't have a backbone, but they are rich enough to swallow that short-term pain if they so choose. They have a 95% computer market to chew, and there is no other products on par with their offering. Their future is not dark at all.

an adobe with windows only products.
or
an apple with no adobe products.

who win, who lose? I say the answer is obvious.
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yeah the answer is obvious. ADOBE would lose. BIG.
 
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Apple history has been one long continuous march away from Adobe, going as far back as TrueType. It can depend on which side you look at it from, but it appears to me that Adobe has brought it on themselves by putting the Mac platform on the back burner since the very day they committed to Windows and not responding to Apple's demands (i.e. missing Cocoa, crappy CS5 beta, Adobe software activation, increasing CS prices, and the piece of crap that Flash is and apparently is to remain).

If Apple is that important to Adobe, they have a funny way of showing it, and I don't blame Apple for their impatience. Flash is going down. I suspect Dreamweaver is next.
 
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surferfromuk

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I think we need to keep the anti-flash debate in perspective. Apple users don't hate Adobe, the don't hate Adobe products en masse - they just hate Flash.

PC apologists are using this moment to try and escalate a divide that simply doesn't exist.
 
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Hmac

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If you look at the deteriorating relationship between Adobe and Apple since about 1991 with the whole TrueType font imbroglio, I think it's reasonable for Apple users to be put out with Adobe. And within the context of corporate relationships (which are often not as bad as they seem on the surface), I suspect some sort of divide actually does exist, and probably with some justification. Their decreasing Mac support and increasingly crappy software IMHO makes an ultimate break likely. Someday.
 
mysterytramp

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surferfromuk said:
I think we need to keep the anti-flash debate in perspective. Apple users don't hate Adobe, the don't hate Adobe products en masse - they just hate Flash.

PC apologists are using this moment to try and escalate a divide that simply doesn't exist.
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Agreed. Too many people refuse to believe that Flash is dying. It will be a long, drawn out, painful death, but the condition is terminal.

mt
 
Eraserhead

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FrankieTDouglas said:
Actually, it's not. Only Apple-centric people opposed to Flash, actually think it's dying out.
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I think that's not really true. The reason Apple 'hates' Flash with regards to their mobile devices is that Flash doesn't perform very well on them. No other platform has good flash support yet.

Once Flash performs well I'm sure Jobs will allow it.
 
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The last time a company threatened to do this (Avid) it resulted in Apple buying a nascent video-editing program and turning it into a serious Avid competitor. Adobe quitting the Mac platform would probably end up in a beefed-up Apple "Pixelmator" Suite, complete with web development tools, vector graphics support and integrated HTML5 authoring for multimedia.

Even if it took Apple several years to get it right as it did with Final Cut Pro they would keep a sizeable chunk of the userbase. Certainly enough to affect Adobe's profits.
 
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Hmac

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FrankieTDouglas said:
Actually, it's not. Only Apple-centric people opposed to Flash, actually think it's dying out.
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Heh. With the introduction of the iMac, only Apple-centric people thought the floppy disk drive was dying out too.


Eraserhead said:
I think that's not really true. The reason Apple 'hates' Flash with regards to their mobile devices is that Flash doesn't perform very well on them. No other platform has good flash support yet.

Once Flash performs well I'm sure Jobs will allow it.
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I doubt it. Adobe has a long history of refusing or being unable to meet the needs of Apple and Apple users. I think we're getting to the end game. Mobile computing is getting really big, and Flash is just not suitable for mobile computing.
 
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The only thing that would happen if Adobe did quit the Mac marketplace is that wed end up with some form of Apple suite - Id expect it to be integrated with Final Cut Pro as well so that wed end up with "Final Cut Studio 4, now with HTML 5 Integration" as well as integrating seamlessly with the OS, it would superseed Photoshop in some key areas, and of course would work seamlessly with the OS and probably involve Apple purchasing an app just Like Final Cut Pro was originally, maybe some up-and-coming innovative picture editor and add a load of really impressive shiny features too it. Also, as an example, take the "creative environment" at my college - every creative class is Mac only, Macs are used for Photoshop etc, in fact I dont believe they even have a Photoshop Liscence for Windows anymore.
 
chaosbunny

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This would be great for Steves Apple. They could stop making pro machines and focus entirely on shiny iGimmicks.

chrismacguy said:
The only thing that would happen if Adobe did quit the Mac marketplace is that wed end up with some form of Apple suite - Id expect it to be integrated with Final Cut Pro as well so that wed end up with "Final Cut Studio 4, now with HTML 5 Integration" as well as integrating seamlessly with the OS, it would superseed Photoshop in some key areas, and of course would work seamlessly with the OS and probably involve Apple purchasing an app just Like Final Cut Pro was originally, maybe some up-and-coming innovative picture editor and add a load of really impressive shiny features too it. Also, as an example, take the "creative environment" at my college - every creative class is Mac only, Macs are used for Photoshop etc, in fact I dont believe they even have a Photoshop Liscence for Windows anymore.
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Yet it would take years for such an Apple suite to become as widely accepted by the industry. Maybe the only way of doing this would be if it was much cheaper than the Adobe suite.

But apart from that, Apple doesn't care about that makret anymore, so why would they make such a suite again? You don't need a productivity suite to update your iGimmick.
 
Eraserhead

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Hmac said:
I doubt it. Adobe has a long history of refusing or being unable to meet the needs of Apple and Apple users. I think we're getting to the end game. Mobile computing is getting really big, and Flash is just not suitable for mobile computing.
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I don't think Adobe really cares about Flash. If they did it wouldn't suck that much, or they'd let people make third party readers - like Preview on Mac OS X for PDF's.

Even Acrobat Reader has improved significantly over the past few generations and that really became a dog.
 
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