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10.11 is...wow.
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I am not saying that they should disappear. I am saying they should be optional. Check boxes at install whether you want to add them. Or allow me to uninstall them at the very least. And focus on the main part: system itself. A yearly update cycle isn't necessary if all the fanfare is about new Notes. Make it a free Notes app available during install and in App Store.
As for iPhoto, I was very happy with it. The only reason I migrated to Photos is that I have no idea how long are Apple going to support iPhoto and I am terrified that one day I will try to open it and see "This application is not supported by current version of Mac OS X", or, worse, it will just disappear from my applications and Time Machine will refuse to restore it. (There's a precedent for it, I saw someone posting today about having a Work '09 document that wouldn't open in Pages, and Work '09 has disappeared from their Applications folder.)
This is what my calendar for tomorrow looks like in Notification Centre:
This is the very definition of useless. (Do you know the joke about people in a balloon asking a mathematician where they are and getting the completely correct response "in the air"?) I can't click anything to find out what the events are. "Calendar" above tells me "No events" and that's it. Nothing I can click either. My Android phone does a better job. But there's Fantastical 2 for only €39.99!
I'd love to use Notification Centre everyday, if only it did anything useful. If you don't mind, can you tell me what do you use it for exactly? Did you buy any paid widgets?
I don't pay for Evernote, free version is good enough. And "lots of people use Notes" isn't really a valid argument. Lots of people use World of Warcraft, but we don't expect it to appear in El Capitan
I may have already posted this... Ive meant to. Its too bad theyve changed the notes app. The beauty was its simplicity.
Maybe ill get used to it.
Maybe ill get used to it.
My iMac 5k never felt as fast as with EL Capitan!
Here is a SunSpider benchmark i ran on it Before and After installing the Public Beta of El Capitan.
I know that people think that if there is no new interface of features then it's not NEW, but don't forget that all you getting buying new computers is SPEED and that's about it.
Now, what can be better than getting a FREE OS and having your Mac performing MUCH faster than before?
If thats not innovation so what is?
Here is a SunSpider benchmark i ran on it Before and After installing the Public Beta of El Capitan.
I know that people think that if there is no new interface of features then it's not NEW, but don't forget that all you getting buying new computers is SPEED and that's about it.
Now, what can be better than getting a FREE OS and having your Mac performing MUCH faster than before?
If thats not innovation so what is?
Check if the vital apps you depend on works for others. I'm following the El Cap forums and decided I'll wait for at least another release.
When Yosemite first came as PB I installed it immediately and I think all the apps I depended on then worked fine.
I'm looking forward to install El Cap though, seems to be an awesome release.
I use 10.10.4 and it works absolutely good for me, no complaints at all.
Apps I use a lot are: LittleSnitch, DNSCrypt, Viscosity, GPGTools, SuperDuper, Safari, Office 2001, Parallels 9, TheBrain, Merlin, TraktorPro, MixedInKey, Platinum Notes, Transmission, EiskaltDC++, Colloquy
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Your'e joking. Sunspider is a test that stresses certain things in your browser, it has almost nothing to do with the overall OS performance. Safari 9 is available as a beta for Yosemite, I'd suggest downloading it and see how much faster it is on Yosemite as well.
Please provide a download link (i couldn't find it online) and i will test your assumption.
Thanx.
Ok, i could't downgrade my iMac to Yosemite, but downloaded and installed on my Macbook late 2009 with nVidia graphics.
Results: using Safari 8: 346.1ms
using Safari 9: 335.0ms
The point is that 1.YES the new safari IS faster, but percentage wise not as faster as on El Capitan.
2. Looking at 3d section of the benchmark (the part Metal will have the most influence), there was NO change in Yosemite, but in El Capitan it is much faster.
Please correct me if i'm wrong.
The gui feels faster and more responsive in El Capitan as well.
Thanx.
I installed El Capitan over the weekend on an external drive and found it very stable and ran all the apps I use.
E-Mail is kind of buggy but Safari is very fast. I'm looking forward to installing on my SSD drive when its close to release.
E-Mail is kind of buggy but Safari is very fast. I'm looking forward to installing on my SSD drive when its close to release.
So are large, heavily edited (highlighting, text boxes, etc.) PDFs in Preview finally smooth to scroll and use?
I use Preview a ton for med school textbook pdfs and am considering trying the beta but not sure if its worth the risk of lost time if I end up with issues.
I use Preview a ton for med school textbook pdfs and am considering trying the beta but not sure if its worth the risk of lost time if I end up with issues.
The iMac 5K is night and day more responsive with El Cap than it was with Yosemite.
False, your '09 Macbook cannot use Metal rendering pipeline. Only 2012 and later models have drivers available that will use Metal, all Macs before remains with OpenGL. So, Metal is not the pure reason for this. Apple changed a lot of things under the hood for El Cap to make the system more responsive, it is not because of Metal by itself. Metal helps a bit but not by a huge factor.
What was the performance of Safari 9 in El Cap on Macbook?
I'm not disagreeing with your feedback that El Cap is faster, I agree with that. I just think Sunspider is not the right benchmark because it benches the Safari's rendering engine and generally does not determine the performance of the OS. Safari 9 is faster on both OSes. It is true Safari 9 on El Cap with proper GPU support is now using Metal to accelerate graphics further but I don't think Sunspider does anything with graphics related, it has 3D math calc it does, which isn't the same thing. It's just a pure math-based Javascript benchmark.
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Why false? I didn't install El Capitan on my Macbook. I just installed Safari 9.0 on it to see the improvement over Safari 8 on Yosemite. I only installed Yosemite on my iMac 5K as before it worked, but not even nearly as fast as now. Only El Capitan does justice to your hardware. Metal is HUGE. For now it is all over Apple built in system and safari. Soon, once all the apps will be Metal compatible - WOW.
People don't know how big Metal is.
Most PC users use regular Graphics cards, but there are Professional Graphic cards that cost instead of $500-$700 something like $2000-$5000 and ARE using the same exactly graphics processor. Most of the difference is that they are optimized driver wise to professional Software and thats why they perform much faster (yes, they have other improvements, but i'm talking about performance). Now, Metal will do kind of the same performance jump, but for a Regular hardware.
That's Huge.
Pure speculation, Apple often sit way below Windows and Linux for performance on the same hardware. Apple are infamous for poor, slow, buggy drivers — it won't surprise me they end up with metal to be as only as fast as OpenGL on other systems! Apple still can't implement support for 10bit output, demanded by graphics professionals for years and available on all other major platforms. Metal will enable ports of iOS games to OS X more easily, and hopefully get Apple to hobble to the middle of the OS pack GPU wise. This isn't big, this is simply sorely overdue, and once Vulkan and DX12 hit we'll probably be back with OS X sat at the back of the graphics performance pack yet again...
I think thats not true.
Most of creative professionals use osx. Video editors and graphic designers. It is faster (rendering times) than PC using the same hardware and Metal will improve and increase the gap. Even NASA are using Macs (If you seen the latest Pluto mission images).
https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/aa...orus_asset/file/3871524/CJ30ibNWgAAkhz3.0.jpg
Even ADOBE said that they will compile ALL their software for mac using Metal as they seen few times faster rendering. so?
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You shared your benchmarks on the Macbook because the iMac 5k issue with Safari 9 beta on Yosemite but then you said this:
2. Looking at 3d section of the benchmark (the part Metal will have the most influence), there was NO change in Yosemite, but in El Capitan it is much faster.
Please correct me if i'm wrong.
That's what I'm saying false to because your Macbook will not support Metal pipeline, so your benchmark is not reflective of Metal's improvements. So, now you said your Macbook didn't have El Cap, so what are you trying to say, it's not very clear from your posts in what was faster.
In addition, El Capitan is not solely faster because of Metal. You're overestimating how much impact Metal has. The fact that everyone saw a lot of improvements on Macs before 2012 proves this. Metal is not solely responsible for the major improvements in El Cap, simple fact.
iOS 9 is using Metal as well but it is not much faster than iOS 8 like the way El Capitan is faster than Yosemite.
Metal reduces the CPU usage by removing CPU calls overhead as much as possible, which then pushes the GPU harder because of simplified workflow that includes more GPU calls than CPU, that's basically what it does. It also simplify the development of drivers.
Yes, Metal is far more efficent at rendering graphics because of its simplified workflow but Apple's graphic drivers were known to be horrible. So, it is like saying "it went from horrible to good, rather from good to better".
Does everyone suggest a fresh instal to the public beta? Im not sure how to even go about that. Can I just overwrite Yosemite? I already upgraded the iPad Air 2 and iPhone 6 to IOS9 and my iMac seems jealous. Ive had nightmares in the past NOT performing clean installs like Leopard to Snow Leopard for instance but had no real issues not going the clean route to Yosemite.
I updated my main iMac 5k from Yosemite to El Capitan using App Store update. It's my main machine and it works even better than it was before. No crashes here yet. I mainly use Safari for everything (it is much faster) and OneNote app that works perfectly (it's 32bit, but apple released 32bit update).
I actually afraid updating my iPhone and iPad because those 2 MUST be stable with no Battery eating weird bugs.
Any report on ios9 stability/improvements? (have iphone 6 plus and ipad air).
Really not true (from the excellent David Girard Ars Technica review of the Mac Pro using Cinebench):
Quotes from that review:
And from Phoronix:
The Phoronix benchmarks shows OS X fails spectacularly in disk (HFS+ is a curse on OS X) and CPU benchmarks too. OS X is not and never has been performant against other OSes. It just happens to have a far superior UI and much much better software integration and features.
El Capitan is much faster for me than Yosemite too, and I do welcome Metal as a long overdue update. But this is nothing revolutionary. And it won't take long for Vulkan and DX12 to outpace OS X. Apple really needs to simply invest some of its huge financial resources in low-level work of competitive GPU drivers, and keep that running...
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If you have any important information on your Mac or if you use it for work installing 10.11 Beta over Yosemite is a very bad idea. Apple recommends installing it on a external hard drive or secondary Mac. I recommend reading Apples FAQ questions.
I am not saying that you will certainly have problems but Beta is not meant for everyday use. Installing it over Yosemite is risky. Better be safe than sorry and install it into external hard drive!
The problem is that Apple doesn't write the drivers and I doubt spending more money on 'fixing the drivers' will address the larger more fundamental problem with OpenGL on OS X that it tries to fix the fundamental problems of OpenGL by the net result is that the OpenGL stack is based on the 'lowest common denominator' which makes writing OpenGL applications a whole lot easier but you'll never get the sort of hardcore optimisation that you can observe with vendor supplied OpenGL. I'm banking on Metal having been built from the ground up will hopefully avoid all those inefficiencies so even as they add more higher level functionality in Metal Kit that those improvements will continue because right now I believe that even if Apple were to expend resources on OpenGL the amount of money and time spent on a legacy technology would be better spent nurturing Metal.
I agree with you. I have a Late-2010 MBA and I notice no lag issues at all. I never had any of the WiFi issues that a lot people have. There are a lot people with much more powerful machines than what I have that have these issues (talking more the lag/performance issues etc...) and I really just do not understand it.
Do not get me wrong, I am glad that I do not have these issues but it is just strange.
I cannot wait for El Capitan! I am in the developer preview program but I am not going to pull the trigger quite yet. Definitely exciting to hear how fast and streamlined El Cap is!
Yes It is very strange..
Hello,
I'am on Apple for about 10 years after a large period on Win.
At Home, I've 3 Apple's computers.( iMac17" - MacBook 13" - iMac 21.5" )
I've bought my new iMac ( 21.5" with 16Go Ram ) in 2014, thinking that I will be quiet with a device like this.
Before, I had a 20" which was good, with any problem, but I wanted to change it.
From the beginning, with my 21.5", I had many issues.
I had to reinstall Yosemite 3 times with the help of Apple's team ( I've got an Applecare ) after clean install.
At each time many problems with Bluetooth, Wifi, black screen, freezed screen,lags, internet very slow, crashes, etc...
My computer hardware have been tested and all was OK. I'm OK also with it, very care of my device.
But all was wrong during 1 year ( and I wasn't alone in this case ).
One year with daily issues, one , two and more per day.
All was done ( for me )....
One week ago, I decided to test El Capitan after making a saving of my documents on an DDE.
I've partitioned my HDD ( 1Go in 2 x 0.5Go). On the first part, Yosemite is staying, on the second, I've install El Capitan always after a clean install.
And then...What a miracle... All is wonderful, speed for all my applications, no lags, Wifi and bluetooth marvelous... For me it's like a dream! And it is only a beta!!!
My computer is open 24h/24h and it runs beautifully.
It is really very Strange ... Why, I don't know.
GGERARD
Hello,
I'am on Apple for about 10 years after a large period on Win.
At Home, I've 3 Apple's computers.( iMac17" - MacBook 13" - iMac 21.5" )
I've bought my new iMac ( 21.5" with 16Go Ram ) in 2014, thinking that I will be quiet with a device like this.
Before, I had a 20" which was good, with any problem, but I wanted to change it.
From the beginning, with my 21.5", I had many issues.
I had to reinstall Yosemite 3 times with the help of Apple's team ( I've got an Applecare ) after clean install.
At each time many problems with Bluetooth, Wifi, black screen, freezed screen,lags, internet very slow, crashes, etc...
My computer hardware have been tested and all was OK. I'm OK also with it, very care of my device.
But all was wrong during 1 year ( and I wasn't alone in this case ).
One year with daily issues, one , two and more per day.
All was done ( for me )....
One week ago, I decided to test El Capitan after making a saving of my documents on an DDE.
I've partitioned my HDD ( 1Go in 2 x 0.5Go). On the first part, Yosemite is staying, on the second, I've install El Capitan always after a clean install.
And then...What a miracle... All is wonderful, speed for all my applications, no lags, Wifi and bluetooth marvelous... For me it's like a dream! And it is only a beta!!!
My computer is open 24h/24h and it runs beautifully.
It is really very Strange ... Why, I don't know.
GGERARD
I should note that the Linux benchmarks were done on Mesa, an open-source clone of OpenGL programmed by volunteers — I can't wrap my head round how they can get better performance from the same hardware than Apple if Apple truly bothers to optimise its GPU code; I think the parsimonious answer is Apple didn't care...
Yes, probably OpenGL is dead going forward on OS X, if they were incapable of keeping up with volunteer programmers before doubt they will going forwards. My problem is Apple is great on bluster and "vision" (aka Marketing), but then technology it implements is just left to languish as it moves onto the next big thing. That was the case for OpenGL, then OpenCL and now we have Metal, and I just worry that Apple will do the same to Metal as it did to the preceding graphics tools.
And let's not forget: not every app can implement the low-level optimisation Metal requires. I use an open source psychophysics toolbox for scientific research on vision, and they can't and won't move to Metal as it provides no benefits[1] only a huge amount of work for scientists who are trying to do research not keep up with apple's latest...
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[1] performance is secondary to reliable timing and accurate flip logging, and we're still desperately waiting for 10bit support. Apple has left/added so many bugs in the OpenGL stack that is simply forcing vision researchers to have to move to Linux and even Windows!!! OS X was once the best OS for vision research but is now the worst...