Refuses to fix for the first beta sure. We have more betas to go. It'll get fixed with time. Or replaced.
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10.11 is...wow.
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Refuses to fix for the first beta sure. We have more betas to go. It'll get fixed with time. Or replaced.
Hum... Slow Finder in Mavericks? You mean time it takes to load contents within Folder/complete tasks, or animation smoothness?
The former...
You won't feel any difference when working with Mavericks alone or if you've accustomed to post Mountain Lion OS X, but if you put Snow Leopard side by side, you will definitely see how sluggish Finder has become...
Content loading is slightly slower despite all those .plist and terminal fixes highlighted online everywhere. Opening multiple Finder window using the Cmd+N key is instantaneous on SL, but laggy on Mavericks onwards. When copying huge file(s) via mouse drag, the time it takes from the releasing of mouse click to the appearance of the copy progress bar sometimes takes a second or two compared to SL's fraction of a second...
Finder on Yosemite was worse, El Cap had just returned finder to Mavericks level, but nothing stellar...
PS: Actually, now that you've mentioned animation smoothness, yes Mavericks was **** when it comes to opening multiple Get Info windows, though that may have been alleviated on El Cap. Still, nothing beats SL in terms of animation fluidity...
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I use Snow Leopard on an alternative partition from time to time, and Finder on SL feels really great. I wonder if someone can port the SL Finder onto modern versions of OS X. Relinking a few frameworks shouldn't be that hard.
I also just tried virtualized Finder in Parallels Desktop and compared it to the native one on Mavericks.
You're right. Even the emulated one is noticeably faster.
Curious about how Finder is in Lion though. I remember it to be quite poor as well.
Not so. If you have the chance, one of these days try Exposé on Tiger. It's buttery smooth (as I remember it being on Panther as well) and much much smoother than the equivalent on SL once you get to dozens of windows. Exposé animations have only gotten worse from then on. I'll see if I can manage to capture it on video later today.
While I do concur with you on Tiger, unfortunately my MBP is not old enough to run Tiger... So the only benchmark machine I've got is SL...
Those times when I had my 2007 MP (yes it came with Tiger), Apple knew how much they screwed up the bloated Leopard and that was enough for me to skip 10.5 altogether. Load all 8-cores, and there goes the graphics fps.
All in all it took 4 years for Apple to develop and perfect Leopard features and animation to give us SL at its best.
However like most who would imply EL Cap being the "SL-version" of Yosemite, with only 2 years to perfect it, I wouldn't call El Cap the SL of Yosemite.
That's because exposé before 10.6 doesn't show the window shadows.
Other than that, I concur that the Finder in 10.6 is faster. The delay before showing a folder's content was introduced in 10.8 I think, when they started to use the "icon server".
Quit Safari, then in Finder, go to ~/Library/Safari/Databases and delete the indexedDB folder. Reopen Safari, and Facebook should load perfectly.
(It seems to have something to do with Netflix's integration with Facebook, if you use them together.)
Apple might be out of gas with OS X? What does that even mean??? #lovingtherandomcommentsonmacrumors #manylolz
Doubtful. They probably have new developments for future OS's that are not ready for mass release. If Apple's smart, they'll use a tik-tok model similar to what they do with iPhone releases for software. That way, every performance enhancement release will be exactly what Apple wants.
Just wanted throw my opinion of 10.11 in the mix. I installed it on my late 2009 27" iMac (2.8ghz i7, 32GB ram, 256MB dGPU and Samsung 850 SSD) and 30" Cinema Display. It's much faster than Yosemite, in normal tasks. Even Mission Control is faster pushing two monitors, which was dog slow on Yosemite. Not sure what magical unicorn dust they put in it, but I like it.
Installed the DP2. Running really smooth at the moment, there is noticeable improvement in terms of overall speed. Very nice.
Tiger was amazing, so smooth and just worked for me. SL was pretty decent too... I tried El Capitan the other day and it's probably the best feeling so far since Tiger!
Never thought of it like that before, but that's a pretty good analogy. Looking back in time, after Snow Leopard (the last "no new features - performance & under the hood improvements only") we got Lion which had plenty of deeper changes. So I'm optimistic for the next one.
I'm glad people are getting back on topic, I'd like to see some video comparison on a 2012 rmbp as that machine seemed to be the laggiest.
Actually I think I know what Crunch means. It's an operating system. What it should do is serve as a platform for other programs. Finder should be super-quick and have more options. Animations should be improved, bugs squashed. Wifi should be stable 100% of the time. That's really it. Adding Siri would be nice, but as we can see it's not going to happen for some reason. At this point Mac OS X is where Adobe Photoshop is – a new version every year, but the additions are hardly essential, just look at how many people declare they are still on Snow Leopard. Yes, Yosemite made things transparent, made icons ugly and added Photos application where there was perfectly good iPhoto. New features, yay. But what does an operating system really do? Is the operating system for manipulating photos? Is the operating system for streaming music? Is it for reading mails? Making notes?
I'd like to see a slim, blazingly fast release, call it El Capitan Obvious, which is a stripped to the bone operating system, doing what it needs to do extremely well. Move all other apps, like Mail, Safari, iMessage, Photos to App Store and allow people to download them if they feel like it. I never used Mail once. I used iMessage about twice. But I use Finder every single day. I also use Dashboard (yes, I'm old), Mission Control, wi-fi, Bluetooth. Those things all belong in Mac OS X. Stop changing them to more transparent or adding extra widgets that are useless (looking at you, Notification Center), take the core of the system and make it work. I don't need innovation in Dashboard or discoveryd. I could definitely do with a revamp of Finder. But the Notes app? Who cares? (Those who do should check Evernote.)
would you guys say dp3 is stable enough to run on a everyday machine? Don't really want to try it just to downgrade again.
Snow Leopard performed terribly on all of my Macs up until 10.6.8. Boot up was slow, freezing occurred on older hardware, user account data loss. It was a complete disaster.
Really dude. Apps like Mail, Safari, and iPhoto (before it started to suck and got replaced) are what make Mac OS X great. You completely killed to purpose of it. An OS should come with all the necessary apps that just work right out of the box and a large library of great third party apps. Just because you don't have use in them doesn't mean anyone else won't.
I use notification center everyday and it basically kill Dashboard for me. If nobody wants to develop great widgets for it then it a overhaul.
Lots of people use notes (mostly on iOS though). I shouldn't have to pay money to get some basic features that Evernote has and be limited. Apple should have updated Notes a long time ago.
I would like it if Apple got rid of Dashboard altogether and ported all those widgets over to the Notification Center.
Yep, totally agreed, El Capitan is nearly perfection.
They also finally fixed the bug that the login screen at startup was in a much lower resolution than the desktop it self.
Causing flashes by changing the resolution when I logged in.
Reported that many times, but they never fixed it.
Mission Control and the notification center are much smoother as well.
They also finally fixed the bug that the login screen at startup was in a much lower resolution than the desktop it self.
Causing flashes by changing the resolution when I logged in.
Reported that many times, but they never fixed it.
Mission Control and the notification center are much smoother as well.
You are right... It is pointless to compare an early beta of El Cap to SL 10.6.8... But let me ask you this... Can you really compare 10.6.8 to say, 10.11.5...? Or 10.10.5, 10.9.5, 10.8.5 for all that matter...? That is my contention when I lamented about OS X's yearly cycle...
Why would you want your widgets to sit on a narrow black strip of a claustrophobic NC when you can just utilise the entire screen of widgets on Dashboard..? With Dashboard, I can set it to overlay and still can peek thru to some of the elements I'm working on the Desktop as opposed to having NC partially blocking my view.
With Dashboard, I can just trigger it with a click of a middle mouse as oppose to moving my mouse over to the top right and click to access NC.