Whether a user uses something or not doesn't change that the OS itself goes through a change to accommodate those features within in and in the process being optimized for the newer generation of devices and hardware. The changes are there and change the OS, whether or not someone makes actual explicit use of them.
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10.3.x deliberate slow down
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And yet despite the Geekbench score being over double the iPhone 4, it's still slower in general day to day use. I think this speaks for itself. It's a lack of optimisation, whether intentional or simply out of carelessness.
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I'm well aware. That's why I said:
"There will always be under-the-hood changes, but if those changes provide little to no benefit for the user, that could be perceived as "planned obsolescence" or "intentional crippling". Similarly, I'd argue that updating older devices with unoptimised code, knowing that it will slow them down, also has the same end result. "Planned obsolescence" doesn't necessarily have to be an intentional "delay" placed into the code."
Because some people might not find some features useful doesn't make them "planned obsolescence" or "intentional crippling".
My opinion if safari is faster on the 4s vs 4 than ios is faster. As safari is a use case of general day to day usage. As you said, this speaks for itself. Not to mention you are focused on opening apps, while I'm focused on actually using the phone. Nobody's use case is opening and closing apps without an interaction somewhere.
If those useless features make your phone run slower than a phone with half the CPU performance, I think you'll find that it is.
Something like "useless" is a subjective measure different for different people.
Well, if you plan on running "heavily JavaScript loaded sites" in Safari all day, go right ahead and use an iPhone 4S.
Right, and that's the point. Your "definition" of slow is different from mine. Your point is "proved" using a Youtube video essentially showing app navigation. In real world usage that is never a valid use case.
If you want the latest location tracking, a Wallet app, and Notification Center widgets on your iPhone 4S, and don't mind it running slower than an iPhone 4, you're free to update to whatever you want. I think this discussion has come to an end.
Well look at you, you completely oversimplified what those features do and dismissed them outright. You've clearly already made up your mind and just came here to argue. I bet you're fun at parties.
We are talking about the performance of iOS, if you hadn't realised. If the iPhone 4S is twice as powerful as an iPhone 4, and is so much better at displaying "heavily JavaScript loaded sites", how come it can't even load the home screen without stuttering?
Let's turn this around, if iOS 7 on an iPhone 4 is faster how come it chokes in safari on "heavily JavaScript loaded sites"?
No, I came here to share my opinion, since this is a forum. But if you're telling me that widgets, location tracking, and a couple more small tweaks justify an iPhone 4S running iOS slower than an iPhone 4, I will dispute that point of view.
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Because its CPU is half as powerful? Yet iOS 7 runs better on it than iOS 9 does on the 4S, because iOS 7 was actually decently optimised.
Okay, so the phone isn't really faster on iOS 7 is it? It might be the difference is the way animations are on the two versions. But as far as useful work getting the 4s on iOS 9 will get work done faster.
You don't need to state the obvious. If the CPU is only half as powerful, it will obviously perform worse in benchmarks and heavy rendering. But if it can render iOS relatively smoothly, the iPhone 4S with 2x the raw performance should at least match it. How many times do I have to repeat myself?
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Same thing here. You don't need to state the obvious. Obviously a 4S with twice the CPU performance will perform certain tasks better. In reality, it should be performing all tasks better.
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Being pejorative isnt making your point and stating the obvious seems to be necessary.
App opening is not the same as actually running apps. For me I could care less if an app opens .1 second slower as long as end to end what I want to do is faster. You're focusing on one aspect of it all.
Right, so you don't care that the UI performance on your iPhone 4S is worse than the iPhone 4. Cool.
That's correct, I don't care, because as a whole the iPhone 4 is half the speed of the 4s.
Again, thanks for stating the obvious. Based on your post history, you have a tendency to be argumentative, so I'll leave it at that.
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Pot kettle thing in play, funny how that works. However to state the obvious again, there could be legitimate reasons for the animation difference in iOS 9 vs iOS 7 beyond the YouTube video. But to me this type of comparison is not useful.
Introducing new features whilst at the same time making the phones so slow that they wont be able to use them anyway is planned obsolescence. I just spent so,e time yesterday navigating my iPhone 6 and was horrified at the slowdown. Opening settings is starting to take 3 seconds similar to the iPad Mini. Boot up takes more than a minute. What on earth did Apple do in the code so it slowed down this much
Reminds me of NVIDIA game works. Introduce new settings in games but enabling them takes a huge hit on performance unless you use the newest GPU on the market . Those same GPUs struggle on the same settings on newer games when the next gen architecture drops
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Why introduce features the device cant run?
What's funny is when so called "conspiracy theories" actually become truth.
I wouldn't be surprised to see this as a scheme that Apple is using to force obsolescence, but I don't think this fully proves it yet. Apple is smart enough to cover its tracks should they be trying to obsolete one of their products.
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Speculation on my part, but if they don't include those features, people whine about their products being abandoned too early. So it's a balancing act between introduction of new CPU-taxing features and abandoning the platform too early.
"Sorry users of previous hardware, these features aren't available to you until you buy a new device". People whine.
"Here are the new features, they won't run spectacularly well on older hardware, but they work." People whine.
[do nothing]. People whine.
Why introduce features the device cant run?[/QUOTE]
Speculation on my part, but if they don't include those features, people whine about their products being abandoned too early. So it's a balancing act between introduction of new CPU-taxing features and abandoning the platform too early.
"Sorry users of previous hardware, these features aren't available to you until you buy a new device". People whine.
"Here are the new features, they won't run spectacularly well on older hardware, but they work." People whine.
[do nothing]. People whine.
That's your iPhone 6 not my iPhone 6. Unfortunately you seem to have more issues with you devices, which is anecdotal.