10.3.x deliberate slow down

[C DM]

Introducing new features whilst at the same time making the phones so slow that they wont be able to use them anyway is planned obsolescence. I just spent so,e time yesterday navigating my iPhone 6 and was horrified at the slowdown. Opening settings is starting to take 3 seconds similar to the iPad Mini. Boot up takes more than a minute. What on earth did Apple do in the code so it slowed down this much

Reminds me of NVIDIA game works. Introduce new settings in games but enabling them takes a huge hit on performance unless you use the newest GPU on the market . Those same GPUs struggle on the same settings on newer games when the next gen architecture drops
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Why introduce features the device cant run?

Hyperbole can certainly have those effects, as we've established too many times by now.

 

[bodonnell202]

Why introduce features the device cant run?

I somewhat agree, but as I mentioned in an earlier post, it's a balancing act and there are people that will complain no matter what.

I agree. It is without a doubt that over the years some iOS devices were pushed to the limit of usability with iOS updates (iPhone 3G with iOS 4, iPhone 4 with iOS 7 and iPhone 4s with iOS 8 & 9 are notable examples) and because of that every few weeks people get out their tin foil hats and pitchforks and claim that Apple is intentionally crippling their devices. While I would agree that Apple maybe could have done a better job of stripping out features on the devices mentioned above to keep overall performance high but then the tinfoil crowd would have been touting that Apple was intentionally withholding features from their phones..

 

[Radon87000]

That's your iPhone 6 not my iPhone 6. Unfortunately you seem to have more issues with you devices, which is anecdotal.

So your iPhone 6 hasn't slowed down even a little bit since iOS 8?

 

[I7guy]

So your iPhone 6 hasn't slowed down even a little bit since iOS 8?

iOS 10.3 is an overall good release.

 

[Radon87000]

iOS 10.3 is an overall good release.

That doesnt answer the question. If it has slowed down, thats planned obsolescence.iPhone 6 doesnt run anywhere close to the speed it used to run on iOS 8. Its going the way of the iPad Mini. I can tell just by looking at the indicators. iOS 11 will have the iPhone 6 waving the white flag. I can almost guarantee it.

And its not just iPhone 6,it happens on all iOS devices. My Tab S2 on Android Marshmallow is operating at the same speed as the Air 2 when the Air 2 was light years faster on iOS 8

 

[I7guy]

That doesnt answer the question. If it has slowed down, thats planned obsolescence.iPhone 6 doesnt run anywhere close to the speed it used to run on iOS 8. Its going the way of the iPad Mini. I can tell just by looking at the indicators. iOS 11 will have the iPhone 6 waving the white flag. I can almost guarantee it.

And its not just iPhone 6,it happens on all iOS devices. My Tab S2 on Android Marshmallow is operating at the same speed as the Air 2 when the Air 2 was light years faster on iOS 8

Yes, it does answer the question. There is no way to "prove" anything otherwise. And you can't "prove" planned obsolescence. Having a "misguided opinion" about it, is not the same "proving" it.

All my ios devices capable of updating to ios 10 are running just fine.

And the comments about ios 11, purely hyperbole. Maybe they'll save you from yourself and disallow iphone 6 from ios 11, but keep supplying updates to ios 10. That wouldn't be the end of the world.

 

[Suckfest 9001]

That doesnt answer the question. If it has slowed down, thats planned obsolescence.iPhone 6 doesnt run anywhere close to the speed it used to run on iOS 8. Its going the way of the iPad Mini. I can tell just by looking at the indicators. iOS 11 will have the iPhone 6 waving the white flag. I can almost guarantee it.

And its not just iPhone 6,it happens on all iOS devices. My Tab S2 on Android Marshmallow is operating at the same speed as the Air 2 when the Air 2 was light years faster on iOS 8

That's not how that works at all. They either add new features, which slows down the OS (it does, don't argue this point), or they don't release those new features and get called out for screwing over last generation customers.

By the way, you're completely untrustworthy, and have been known to lie on several occasions. The latest occasion is when you claimed your iPhone 6 takes over a minute to boot.

No it doesn't.

I can't wait until you reply telling me how "oh it's because I have more apps," despite the fact that that's not how iOS works at all.
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Yes, it does answer the question. There is no way to "prove" anything otherwise. And you can't "prove" planned obsolescence. Having a "misguided opinion" about it, is not the same "proving" it.

All my ios devices capable of updating to ios 10 are running just fine.

And the comments about ios 11, purely hyperbole. Maybe they'll save you from yourself and disallow iphone 6 from ios 11, but keep supplying updates to ios 10. That wouldn't be the end of the world.

Or better yet, maybe they should stop wasting stock on people who "buy" them just to post on forums on how much they hate them (not that I actually believe he has one, but whatever).

Food for thought: I think all these Android guys think updates are planned obsolescence because they basically never get updates.

 

[CTHarrryH]

Why do people expect old devices to run as well as new devices? Why do people think that their experience is the same as everyone's?

 

[Cigsm]

If they wanted forced obsolescence they wouldn't give software upgrades to five year old devices.

If you have a decent, intelligent, response like Mlrollin91, I will respond. But you make yourselves sound like cult members when you can't accept the fact that a multinational company wants to make money.

 

[Kalloud]

Why do people expect old devices to run as well as new devices? Why do people think that their experience is the same as everyone's?

I am wondering why is the galaxy s7, for example, even faster on nougat 7.0 than on marshmallow 6.0, at least according to users' posts on forums, even though 7.0 has a lot more features?

 

[Mlrollin91]

I am wondering why is the galaxy s7, for example, even faster on nougat 7.0 than on marshmallow 6.0, at least according to users' posts on forums, even though 7.0 has a lot more features?

Comparing iOS and Android couldn't be more unscientific. Android's optimization is horrible in comparison to iOS, so its possible the new version optimizes properly and could result in a slight speed up. But you are also talking about a few people with anecdotal evidence and nothing concrete. So its not really relevant to the topic at hand. I gave a very thorough explanation of why devices slow down with new OS' and its not because of planned obsolescence.

 

[Kalloud]

Comparing iOS and Android couldn't be more unscientific. Android's optimization is horrible in comparison to iOS, so its possible the new version optimizes properly and could result in a slight speed up. But you are also talking about a few people with anecdotal evidence and nothing concrete. So its not really relevant to the topic at hand. I gave a very thorough explanation of why devices slow down with new OS' and its not because of planned obsolescence.

Okay I've just found this video comparison of nougat 7.0 vs marshmallow 6.0 on a 2-year-old galaxy s6 (s6 and s6 edge have the exact same soc)
The 7.0-running s6 is at least as fast if not faster than its 6.0-running sibling.
I am not claiming this is a scientific test but it does say something, at least for me.

 

[Mlrollin91]

Okay I've just found this video comparison of nougat 7.0 vs marshmallow 6.0 on a 2-year-old galaxy s6 (s6 and s6 edge have the exact same soc)
The 7.0-running s6 is at least as fast if not faster than its 6.0-running sibling.
I am not claiming this is a scientific test but it does say something, at least for me.

And I already gave a very plausible explanation if this is actually the case. If Android is able to tone down the resources needed for background, then it frees them up for foreground.

 

[Kalloud]

And I already gave a very plausible explanation if this is actually the case. If Android is able to tone down the resources needed for background, then it frees them up for foreground.

You might be correct.
But I am feeling that android is getting more and more optimized with every iteration (except for lollipop 5.0) whereas iOS is heading in the opposite direction.
I have no evidence or "proof" though.

 

[calibru_2good_4u]

You might be correct.
But I am feeling that android is getting more and more optimized with every iteration (except for lollipop 5.0) whereas iOS is heading in the opposite direction.
I have no evidence or "proof" though.

My iPhone 6s is even slower with 10.3.1 .. c'mon Apple...

 

[bodonnell202]

My iPhone 6s is even slower with 10.3.1 .. c'mon Apple...

Really? My 6s has felt about the same with every version of iOS 10, which was definitely a bit faster than iOS 9 from my perspective.

 

[Mlrollin91]

My iPhone 6s is even slower with 10.3.1 .. c'mon Apple...

I use a 6s on a regular basis in addition to my 7Plus. 10.3.1 did not slow down a 6s. Your phone probably just needs to be cleaned.

 

[Corgirat]

I don't know why this doesn't get covered more. Apple inserts a deliberate slow down into every update, but I never see them taken to task for it (maybe I miss it?).

I'm a programmer and I recognize what they're doing (inserting pauses into the UI transitions). By doing this they make the phone feel a tiny bit slower without affecting any benchmarks that reviewers run (benchmarks don't interact with the UI). It's pretty clever in its simplicity, but also very obvious once you notice it, and it annoys me when it happens. This last one (10.3.x) is especially blatant on my SE because they didn't patch it through for screen taps like they usually do (presumably an oversight).

PROOF:

1. Just open a Folder and then press the Home button. Notice the tiny delay that's been inserted between you pressing Home button and the Folder closing animation beginning. That wasn't there before.

2. To see what it was like before the 10.3.x patch, just open the same Folder and tap anywhere on the homescreen instead of pressing Home. You'll see there's no delay at all.

Tested on: iPhone SE, 2 x iPhone 6. Both 10.3 and 10.3.1.

Confirmed by readers below on 6S.

The delay when you press the Home button isn't a limitation of the hardware, it's purely artificial, programmed into the software. I've noticed it many times over the years. Why don't reviewers talk about this?

I hardly ever press the button because I have assistive touch on for multitask also. I only use it for touchid.

 

[Paddle1]

It is true that iOS updates slow down older iPhones.

And I understand why "new features" could be to blame, but the thing is, what new features have been introduced between iOS 7 and iOS 9 that justifies the significant slowdown on the iPhone 4S?
The Wallet app? The new system font?

The iPhone 4S on iOS 9 is slower than the iPhone 4 on iOS 7.

Part of this (maybe all?) is because you're comparing the initial version of iOS 9.0 with 7.1, iOS 7 was so bad on the 4 at launch that they specifically optimized 7.1 for the iPhone 4. iOS 9 received some optimizations later as well.

 

[Jayderek]

Why do people expect old devices to run as well as new devices? Why do people think that their experience is the same as everyone's?

the big problem here is that you have people that have spent a good couple years on this forum that analyze the speed down to microseconds SO much - in that it's really the only thing they think about. It's their little personal obsession. You can tell them "actually this isn't a wide problem as my 'xx model iPhone' is running just fine." - only to be met with them not believing you.

The problem isn't Apple's software, it's people that are legitimately on an OCD spectrum that will never be able to drop this.

 

[Tech198]

I've tested this on three 10.3.x devices so far, all exhibit the same behaviour. It's absolutely true. Please just see for yourselves.

As an aside: I have studied this extensively in the past when that hack was discovered that allowed you to "turn off" the animations - ie. break them. I compared a 5S and a 4S and saw that they were near identical in loading applications that were already in memory when the animations were "turned off", but the 4S had a pause inserted on the animation when they were re-enabled.

I then saw it with updates to my 5S (before I upgraded to my SE) and I've been watching out for it with each iOS 10 update. 10.3 was when it was introduced for this generation -- and luckily they missed the screen tap, so anyone can see it for themselves.

Try it on an iPhone 6S Plus.

I don't buy into any of this until users do a clean restore...

U can't expect a top 10.3x iOS to work just as smooth on older devices that will work on new devices... That's just not gonna happen, since processor and performance is difference... Perhaps it u could disable all the transitions effects and glue Apple junked up iOS to make it "better" then maybie u could get some performance increase there, but most users would say,, upgrade your handset because its easier than touting software.

 

[Daniel80]

It is 100% natural for older hardware to run new software poorly. There are not enough resources to power the new software

So why does Apple not let us return to a lower version of software?
I think because they want to force you to buy a newer model.
And so they sell and you become dependent on their product.
This is happening to all companies.But in last years at Apple has become obvious.

 

[Kalloud]

So why does Apple not let us return to a lower version of software?
I think because they want to force you to buy a newer model.
And so they sell and you become dependent on their product.
This is happening to all companies.But in last years at Apple has become obvious.

Apple doesn't allow us to downgrade to an older version of iOS also because it likes to brag about the percentage of iDevices running the latest iOS version and compare that to android.

 

[GreyOS]

By the way, you're completely untrustworthy, and have been known to lie on several occasions. The latest occasion is when you claimed your iPhone 6 takes over a minute to boot.

No it doesn't.

I can't wait until you reply telling me how "oh it's because I have more apps," despite the fact that that's not how iOS works at all.

So in that video it takes about 25 seconds to boot. I just timed my iPhone 6 on latest beta and it took 47 seconds. So there are definitely differences between individual iPhone 6.

Edit: I note the devices in the video aren't Touch ID or passcode protected, which might mean they do not have encryption, which would make them faster.

 

[Mlrollin91]

So why does Apple not let us return to a lower version of software?
I think because they want to force you to buy a newer model.
And so they sell and you become dependent on their product.
This is happening to all companies.But in last years at Apple has become obvious.

One word. Security. Plain and simple as that.

They don't let you downgrade because your device is no longer up to date secure.