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Radon87000

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This, a crystal clear differentiator between iOS and Android.
What's the point of security if the device is too slow to run the OS? My iPhone 6 was way faster than a Nexus 5 when I got it. It's got too much lag now. Opening settings takes time. The list of apps in settings at the bottom don't load before I scroll there and once the delay finishes then the icons load. Opening messages and tapping on the type bar has a delay before the keyboard pops up. Pressing home after exiting an app has stutter as the icon placed itself back on the screen. Uber takes at least 5 seconds to launch when it was instant before. Safari reloads tabs every now and then.

Honestly it's either 10.3.1 which slowed this down or my 7 Plus has me too used to speed coz I don't recall the 6 being this slow on iOS 10.0
 
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Mlrollin91

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Nov 20, 2008
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Honestly it's either 10.3.1 which slowed this down or my 7 Plus has me too used to speed coz I don't recall the 6 being this slow on iOS 10.0

Its the speed of the 7Plus that makes everything feel slower. When I got my Air 2, it ran circles around my iPhone 6. Then I got the 6s and it made the Air 2 feel slow. Nothing changed on the Air 2. Its all how things are perceived.
 

NT1440

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May 18, 2008
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What's the point of security if the device is too slow to run the OS? My iPhone 6 was way faster than a Nexus 5 when I got it. It's got too much lag now. Opening settings takes time. The list of apps in settings at the bottom don't load before I scroll there and once the delay finishes then the icons load. Opening messages and tapping on the type bar has a delay before the keyboard pops up. Pressing home after exiting an app has stutter as the icon placed itself back on the screen. Uber takes at least 5 seconds to launch when it was instant before. Safari reloads tabs every now and then.

Honestly it's either 10.3.1 which slowed this down or my 7 Plus has me too used to speed coz I don't recall the 6 being this slow on iOS 10.0
....What is the point of security if an update causes a fraction of a second delay in response times? Are you serious?

"Too slow to run the OS", ********. I don't know why in your mind a bit of lag equates to nonfunctional but it's a ridiculous notion.
 
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Daniel80

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Excuse me but you make my laugh. Security in 2017 when Donald Trump want acces to all your data?
All things is marketing its all about selling.
Only my opinion.
 

NT1440

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May 18, 2008
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Excuse me but you make my laugh. Security in 2017 when Donald Trump want acces to all your data?
All things is marketing its all about selling.
Only my opinion.

....you clearly don't know anything about computer security.
 
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CTHarrryH

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My 6s is the fastest iPhone I've had and it has gotten faster and faster with each IOS release.
I suspect that users that have speed issues have always been pushing the limits of the hardware and as software adds more functions they get pushed over the memory limits and the delay is happening as things get swapped out and in again. Not necessarily these posters but I hear about people who have dozens of tabs open and 50 applications running - each takes some memory to keep track of and there are limits.

But I'd trade some speed for security.
 

Shirasaki

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May 16, 2015
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Pretty much what I said before, there will always be under-the-hood changes, but if those changes provide little to no benefit for the user, that could still be perceived as "planned obsolescence" or "intentional crippling".
How do you define "little to no benefit for the user"? Because you did not need that feature? What about Apple enabling everything new in the background and does not give you an option to disable?

The feature you don't want may be the feature someone else want. Apple needs to cover as much user base as possible and try to appease the majority or several largest user groups. This is why Apple always introduce lots of new features when a single individual may never touch some of them.
So why does Apple not let us return to a lower version of software?
I think because they want to force you to buy a newer model.
And so they sell and you become dependent on their product.
This is happening to all companies.But in last years at Apple has become obvious.
You can return to a lower version of software but only in a limited time frame, and only occurs on the immediate last version of iOS.

There are tons of reasons why Apple wishes user to always buy the latest and the greatest but then customer wishes their product could last more than just merely one year or two years. Despite all of them, apple chooses to provide software update on several recent generations of devices while forcing user to unable to downgrade to whatever version they like easily. A compromise, I would say.
What's the point of security if the device is too slow to run the OS? My iPhone 6 was way faster than a Nexus 5 when I got it. It's got too much lag now. Opening settings takes time. The list of apps in settings at the bottom don't load before I scroll there and once the delay finishes then the icons load. Opening messages and tapping on the type bar has a delay before the keyboard pops up. Pressing home after exiting an app has stutter as the icon placed itself back on the screen. Uber takes at least 5 seconds to launch when it was instant before. Safari reloads tabs every now and then.

Honestly it's either 10.3.1 which slowed this down or my 7 Plus has me too used to speed coz I don't recall the 6 being this slow on iOS 10.0
I didn't have an iPhone 6 on iOS 10 but my iPhone 6s Plus run iOS 9 and 10 equally fast. I don't care about those OCD UI slowdown unless it is significant (like, 5+s delay or long term serious lag in app). If your experience is bad, I am sorry to hear this. And wishes you could return to an older version of iOS.
 

Radon87000

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Nov 29, 2013
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....What is the point of security if an update causes a fraction of a second delay in response times? Are you serious?

"Too slow to run the OS", ********. I don't know why in your mind a bit of lag equates to nonfunctional but it's a ridiculous notion.

Yes. No point to security if its unusable. I sold off my iPad Mini because its unusable compared to how its supposed to be on iOS 6 and 7. And if I didn't own the 7 the 6 would be sold off by now. Paying $1K for a phone only to have it slow down under the garb of security is ridiculous. I would rather use a PC running a Windows XP from 2010 than an iPad Mini on iOS 9. My Air 2 is now slower than a Galaxy Tab S2 running a Snapdragon 652. Try opening any game or app on it and its slower than on the Galaxy which is running an "outdated" version of Android.

My Tab S2 is not fully secure because its still on the December patch. However its usable which is my top priority.
 

Shirasaki

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May 16, 2015
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My Tab S2 is not fully secure because its still on the December patch. However its usable which is my top priority.
So you value usability over security while the guy you reply value security over usability. This is the fundamental difference. :)
 

NT1440

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May 18, 2008
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Yes. No point to security if its unusable. I sold off my iPad Mini because its unusable compared to how its supposed to be on iOS 6 and 7. And if I didn't own the 7 the 6 would be sold off by now. Paying $1K for a phone only to have it slow down under the garb of security is ridiculous. I would rather use a PC running a Windows XP from 2010 than an iPad Mini on iOS 9. My Air 2 is now slower than a Galaxy Tab S2 running a Snapdragon 652. Try opening any game or app on it and its slower than on the Galaxy which is running an "outdated" version of Android.

My Tab S2 is not fully secure because its still on the December patch. However its usable which is my top priority.
Your definition of "usability" is absurd. Your entire stance this thread is unless it's 100% as fast as it was, it's simply nonfunctional anymore. That's just beyond reasonable.
 

I7guy

macrumors Nehalem
Nov 30, 2013
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Gotta be in it to win it
My 6s is the fastest iPhone I've had and it has gotten faster and faster with each IOS release.
I suspect that users that have speed issues have always been pushing the limits of the hardware and as software adds more functions they get pushed over the memory limits and the delay is happening as things get swapped out and in again. Not necessarily these posters but I hear about people who have dozens of tabs open and 50 applications running - each takes some memory to keep track of and there are limits.

But I'd trade some speed for security.
A lot is perception. One could buy a Porsche turbo Carrera S and say in posts such as these the car is not fast enough for me or it slowed down over time etc. Basically anyone can say anything; and "it" doesn't have to be "reasonable".
 
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ThunderMasterMind

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Apr 29, 2016
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I think it's safe to say that modern versions of iOS do a lot more in the background than legacy versions (iOS 7 included). Remember when Windows Vista came out and people's Pentium 3, 512MB RAM machines couldn't handle it? This is the same situation. Windows Vista and even Windows 7 do a lot in the background. Windows NT 6.0 on Vista introduced a new way of "being ready for anything", by running tedious processes and readying it's self for what you were going to do next. Run Vista on a system with good specs, and it flies.
It seems iOS has been sucked into this same situation that plagued Vista in the beginning, only it's not as bad because iOS and the devices are so popular. Apple seriously does need to take one version of iOS as a sacrifice to optimization, instead of relying on the power of the device to handle it. it would make the experience better. Also for the love, please get rid of spring animations, that's one of the biggest issues I have with iOS now. Linear animations are and always will be superior for speed and fluidity. Spring animations tend to look like they are finished when they aren't and it frustrates me so much, especially when I double tap the home button to activate Reach, which I use all the time.

In concerns to the Home button, iOS has always had a delay with the button ever since iOS 4 introduced the App switcher. My iOS 6 devices have that delay, but it really isn't noticeable; this applies to my iPhone 4S, iPad 4, and iPod Touch 4G. Furthermore, If you are going to make a fuss over a delay string added in iOS's code base, then how about you actually search into it and show us the proof that such thing exists instead of screaming "I'm a programmer" and not having anything as proof that you are, or that you actually made a big discovery in iOS that no one else has ever seen.
 

Kalloud

macrumors regular
Oct 23, 2016
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Guys I found this interesting video:
I think what happened to computers 10-20 years ago is happening to smartphones in the recent years.
Your thoughts?
 

Shirasaki

macrumors P6
May 16, 2015
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Guys I found this interesting video:
I think what happened to computers 10-20 years ago is happening to smartphones in the recent years.
Your thoughts?
This is one of my favorite channels. Pretty informative.
And yeah. Smartphone is just another form of computer after all. What PC experienced will happen on smartphone eventually, and in a similar way.
 
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