10.8.3 (and 10.8.4b?) Still slow shutdown

[Krazy Bill]

Why shut down at all?

I sometimes travel 300 miles per day with up to a dozen different stops. Sleeping my machine through the day costs me about 7%-10% power.

Shutting down between those stops makes all the difference. And with an SSD the few seconds it used to take under SL worked just fine (Not to mention the extra battery life I got under SL to begin with).

Amazingly, I'm starting to shift into Windows 8 now using bootcamp during my travels. What a difference.

Get over it.

Wow. Just wow. A console log riddled with blatant errors and I'm supposed to just "get over it"?

Just "get over" this thread son and exit.

 

[trustever]

Combo updates are those that can bring you to the latest version of the OS without the need to install intermediate version so you can pass from 10.8.0 to 10.8.3 with combo opposite to the delta update that will do 10.8.0-10.8.1-10.8.2-10.8.3

Kernel Panic is when you start up your mac and you will have a black screen with some white writings dettailing why the OS can not start properly but I assume from your questions that you

use the combo
did not have any KP

Which is great!

 

[Krazy Bill]

Well, "F" it...

I'm back to the infamous terminal dance... the Apple Two-Second Two-Step:


sudo launchctl unload /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.coreservices.appleevents.plist

sudo defaults write /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.coreservices.appleevents ExitTimeOut -int 2

sudo launchctl load /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.coreservices.appleevents.plist


This gives a relatively quick shutdown but it pisses me off I have to use it. (Also, I'll have to do it again any time permissions are repaired).

Thirteen betas - plenty of feedback. Amazing. And to all you people who don't care about shutdowns and the other problems a few us in the minority do care about... well, what does this tell you about the OSX coders? These are the same people that keep your mac secure. Honestly, I'm surprised my machine actually boots with each freaking update these days and I'm beginning to think OSX is what the new coders practice on before they move on to more important things. (iOS)

Holy crap.

 

[Tubamajuba]

I'm back to the infamous terminal dance... the Apple Two-Second Two-Step:


sudo launchctl unload /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.coreservices.appleevents.plist

sudo defaults write /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.coreservices.appleevents ExitTimeOut -int 2

sudo launchctl load /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.coreservices.appleevents.plist


This gives a relatively quick shutdown but it pisses me off I have to use it. (Also, I'll have to do it again any time permissions are repaired).

Thirteen betas - plenty of feedback. Amazing. And to all you people who don't care about shutdowns and the other problems a few us in the minority do care about... well, what does this tell you about the OSX coders? These are the same people that keep your mac secure. Honestly, I'm surprised my machine actually boots with each freaking update these days and I'm beginning to think OSX is what the new coders practice on before they move on to more important things. (iOS)

Holy crap.

I've seen your posts quite a bit around here, and I'll say this- I really wish that Apple's coders had the same attention to detail that you do. OSX would be much better! Thing is, OSX is already plenty good, if not near-perfect, for some of us. I spent all of my computing life up until last August on Windows, and though I still view Windows in a positive light, I can't imagine going back on a daily basis. OSX is that awesome to me. So I think that's why people come across as unsympathetic when they respond to you- they're looking at the big picture whereas you see the smaller details.

So yeah, keep fighting the good fight, Krazy Bill. If it weren't for people like you, the development of OSX would be much more stagnant.

 

[cooky560]

same problem here, also, whats with the pointless (and timewasting) new animation before the login screen?

 

[bkends35]

I am truly curious ... why does this matter in the slightest?

My sisters MBP on 10.6.8 shuts down in 3 seconds with a 5400 rpm HDD, the SSD should take no time at all.

 

[kensic]

Why shut down at all?

why do people like to smoke? while others don't. it's all preference.

it's kind of annoying now that there's still people that just sleep their macs, trying to convince people that shut down their macs is wrong and it will have a negative impact on the computer.

stop with that nonsense. just let them do what ever they want. don't question it. when it is a perfectly legit method of what to do when the computer isn't in use.

 

[madsci954]

I tried shutting done my 2011 MBA (which I rarely do) and timed it. Once with some apps running and once with no apps running. 22 seconds both times from confirming Shut Down to totally off. Then 15 seconds from pressing the Power button to the Login Screen.

Edit: ML on 10.8.3, the machine originally came with Lion.

Update: I booted into Safe Mode, shut down, then booted normally. I did 2 more shut downs, the first took 4 seconds, the second 10. I didn't open any apps in between.

 

[maxosx]

Anybody remember when Apple said they were going to have fast O/S switching ?

I do.

However the problem may be all the time consuming law suits and other negative energy that's being wasted.

It's hard to be both positive and negative at the same time.

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I sometimes travel 300 miles per day with up to a dozen different stops. Sleeping my machine through the day costs me about 7%-10% power.

Shutting down between those stops makes all the difference. And with an SSD the few seconds it used to take under SL worked just fine (Not to mention the extra battery life I got under SL to begin with).

Amazingly, I'm starting to shift into Windows 8 now using bootcamp during my travels. What a difference.

Your points are well taken. However apparently Apple simply doesn't care

 

[Badagri]

Thirteen betas - plenty of feedback. Amazing. And to all you people who don't care about shutdowns and the other problems a few us in the minority do care about... well, what does this tell you about the OSX coders? These are the same people that keep your mac secure. Honestly, I'm surprised my machine actually boots with each freaking update these days and I'm beginning to think OSX is what the new coders practice on before they move on to more important things. (iOS)

Holy crap.

Also, this issue never happened with Lion. Ever. You can remind them on that.

My shutdowns vary with ML on an SSD, from 20 - 30 seconds, 8 - 12 hours in using OS X. Up to 50 seconds - 1 minute to shutdown. Upon a restart it can shutdown within 4 seconds but what good is that. But only takes 3 - 4 seconds to boot.

Even Windows 7 shuts down faster on a mechanical. Like 5 - 6 seconds.

Amazingly, I'm starting to shift into Windows 8 now using bootcamp during my travels. What a difference.

It shuts down within 1 - 3 seconds.

 

[Saturn1217]

Sigh...

Sad to see this didn't get fixed.

To those who say it doesn't matter:

I too hardly ever shut down my mac. You know when I do shut down my mac? When it freezes or something goes horribly wrong. There are some problems that require a restart and of course those problems only happen when you are say preparing for a presentation, or trying to show your boss something etc.

The point is that the really fast shut down time we used to have was really convenient in those situations where yes a few seconds do matter.

I still see videos all the time on youtube of people timing how fast their Macs start up from when you press the power button. All the people with SSDs loved to brag about this. But why does it matter if things take a few seconds longer?

...Because it is a computer and whenever it can be faster at doing a task without compromising batterylife or heat that is a good thing!

 

[maxosx]

Sigh...

Sad to see this didn't get fixed.

To those who say it doesn't matter:

I too hardly ever shut down my mac. You know when I do shut down my mac? When it freezes or something goes horribly wrong. There are some problems that require a restart and of course those problems only happen when you are say preparing for a presentation, or trying to show your boss something etc.

The point is that the really fast shut down time we used to have was really convenient in those situations where yes a few seconds do matter.

I still see videos all the time on youtube of people timing how fast their Macs start up from when you press the power button. All the people with SSDs loved to brag about this. But why does it matter if things take a few seconds longer?

...Because it is a computer and whenever it can be faster at doing a task without compromising batterylife or heat that is a good thing!

Kudos' for an excellent post.

For a company with the technical expertise of Apple, slow shut down times are unacceptable. It's as simple as that.

 

[Badagri]

Considering Microsoft can get it right. Start up 4 seconds, shutdown 2 seconds. Never thought I'd see the days of OS X in decline.

 

[z06gal]

Considering Microsoft can get it right. Start up 4 seconds, shutdown 2 seconds. Never thought I'd see the days of OS X in decline.

I have a 2 yr old desktop with Windows 7 on it that takes 45 secs to boot to the desktop. I have done everything I know but it doesn't change. Shutdown is about 10 secs but boot up is asinine

 

[Simplicated]

same problem here, also, whats with the pointless (and timewasting) new animation before the login screen?

It's been there since Lion.

I have a 2 yr old desktop with Windows 7 on it that takes 45 secs to boot to the desktop. I have done everything I know but it doesn't change. Shutdown is about 10 secs but boot up is asinine

Probably he's talking about Windows 8.

 

[SR45]

I sent another bug report on this, but I'm sure it will get nowhere fast as the last bug report did when 10.8.2 with the slow shut down was submitted.


Apple FeedBack Link

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

 

[twintin]

I sometimes travel 300 miles per day with up to a dozen different stops. Sleeping my machine through the day costs me about 7%-10% power.

Really ? 7-10% at sleep ?

When I put my MBA 2012 to sleep and wake it up like 8-9h later, the battery is still 100%.

 

[th-gates9345]

I've seen your posts quite a bit around here, and I'll say this- I really wish that Apple's coders had the same attention to detail that you do. OSX would be much better! Thing is, OSX is already plenty good, if not near-perfect, for some of us. I spent all of my computing life up until last August on Windows, and though I still view Windows in a positive light, I can't imagine going back on a daily basis. OSX is that awesome to me. So I think that's why people come across as unsympathetic when they respond to you- they're looking at the big picture whereas you see the smaller details.

So yeah, keep fighting the good fight, Krazy Bill. If it weren't for people like you, the development of OSX would be much more stagnant.

Agree.
Those Apple's extreme fanatics don't tolerate minimal critics to their "God Apple".
It's a kind of people that doesn't help to improve things.
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[mactoday]

No. I paid $2.5k for a device with buggy software. Apple's fit and finish seems to be waning.

Welcome back to the new Apple, the old Microsoft style. btw: Safari now part of the OS X, you can't remove it without super tricks and super user rights.

 

[FoolMeOnce]

Welcome back to the new Apple, the old Microsoft style. btw: Safari now part of the OS X, you can't remove it without super tricks and super user rights.

Wow. Admin password is super rights?

 

[Krazy Bill]

I sent another bug report on this, but I'm sure it will get nowhere fast as the last bug report did when 10.8.2 with the slow shut down was submitted.

Apple FeedBack Link

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

Already submitted. With system logs just like the dozen times before. I think my submissions are getting caught in Apple's SPAM filters by now. This will be the last time I deal with this and I seriously doubt 10.8.4 will address it. The only hope is that the coders working on 10.9 will not recycle these same anomalies and do a bit more "from the ground up" coding. LOL!

Really ? 7-10% at sleep ?

When I put my MBA 2012 to sleep and wake it up like 8-9h later, the battery is still 100%.

I'm not as fortunate. Early 2011 MBP here. Overall, I'm lucky to get 4 hours of casual use under ML. (Snow Leopard gives me a tad over 5 hours).

As of now, I am entertaining the idea of actually going back to SL (again). I'll sit out OSX 10.9 and by the time 10.10 (ten?) comes out I'm ready for a another machine. A lot depends on how long software developers will keep supporting 10.6. Right now, it's pretty good.

 

[macrem]

I think it's an ugly bug & shameful to leave unfixed for so long.

 

[Puevlo]

How sad. The hardware gets thinner but the software keeps getting fatter.

 

[kensic]

i have done 5 shutdowns, with each shutdown with various usage time (1-6 hours of usage) and it shuts down at 2 secs every time

*crosses fingers* that it will be like this forever

 

[Apple_Robert]

I installed the update, and have not seen any difference in what I consider to be a long shutdown (17- 20 seconds). 13" MBP late 2011