14.2 car volume turns down

[960design]

12 Pro
14.2
USA
English

I literally have 100s of iPhones around me right now and have checked over 50 and none have duplicated the issue you are seeing. I will keep looking to see if I can 'replicate' your issue for a solution. Please do as mentioned above and call apple support.

 

[doolar]

I literally have 100s of iPhones around me right now and have checked over 50 and none have duplicated the issue you are seeing. I will keep looking to see if I can 'replicate' your issue for a solution. Please do as mentioned above and call apple support.

It wont trigger right away. You need to listen to music via headphones for a time (usually for me it takes about a day or two) since it measures and keeps track over a week.

Try this:

* Connect a bluetooth headset to an iPhone with 14.2 installed
* Play music on loud volume for several hours
* The notification should appear

I don´t know if this is only EU or other parts of the world aswell. It will probably not affect that many, unless people use full volume all the time on their headphones. But for me that connects to a helmet headset, I have to keep the volume on max.

I have logged a ticket with Cardo, the manufacturer of my motorcycle bluetooth headset. Since they've labelled the BT connection type as "headphones", my helmet speakers count against the headphone volume limit per week.

 

[m4rkw]

I literally have 100s of iPhones around me right now and have checked over 50 and none have duplicated the issue you are seeing. I will keep looking to see if I can 'replicate' your issue for a solution. Please do as mentioned above and call apple support.

How are you testing them? What bluetooth receiver? Since the bug is apparently miscategorisation of car bluetooth receivers as headphones it may only affect certain units.

 

[Ryebreadg]

I literally have 100s of iPhones around me right now and have checked over 50 and none have duplicated the issue you are seeing. I will keep looking to see if I can 'replicate' your issue for a solution. Please do as mentioned above and call apple support.

My 12 Pro on the left, my wife’s on the right. Both on 14.2

 

[MaxSto]

Same left screen you got on my 12 pro.

 

[_Refurbished_]

Called Apple Support, gave me a link to email my “experience”. This is horse dung.

 

[doolar]

And here's mine, in Swedish, but the toggle on @Ryebreadg s right image is missing.

Todays ride to work had two notifications. I've started keeping my phone in my jeans pocket so I can turn the volume up while on my motorcycle. How's that for safety Apple?

 

[Lee_Mac]

I've found, and it's a bit obvious really, that keeping the phones volume slider at around 3/4 and just turn the whatever bluetooth device you are connected up. Certainly with car system this seems to work. My 2 hour drive into work this morning didn't trigger the notification but the audio was at it's normal level while rattling along at motorway speeds.

 

[doolar]

I've found, and it's a bit obvious really, that keeping the phones volume slider at around 3/4 and just turn the whatever bluetooth device you are connected up. Certainly with car system this seems to work. My 2 hour drive into work this morning didn't trigger the notification but the audio was at it's normal level while rattling along at motorway speeds.

I'll give that a try - unfortunately I sometimes need full volume on both phone and helmet speakers to hear, especially incoming calls. I use earplugs that remove wind noise, but filters through speech, but on the highway at 70 - 80 MPH I really need full volume.

 

[Lee_Mac]

I'll give that a try - unfortunately I sometimes need full volume on both phone and helmet speakers to hear, especially incoming calls. I use earplugs that remove wind noise, but filters through speech, but on the highway at 70 - 80 MPH I really need full volume.

I was more on about car systems being recognised as headphones. Or the fact Apple have just labelled any bluetooth audio device as headphones and are applying this nanny state implementation of audio limiting.

 

[Psyko]

My 12 Pro on the left, my wife’s on the right. Both on 14.2

Beautiful stuff! My phone, when they were at 14.2, lacked the toggles on the right. Are both phones purchased in the same region/country? Are they set to the same region currently?

I've found, and it's a bit obvious really, that keeping the phones volume slider at around 3/4 and just turn the whatever bluetooth device you are connected up. Certainly with car system this seems to work. My 2 hour drive into work this morning didn't trigger the notification but the audio was at it's normal level while rattling along at motorway speeds.

Feels more predictable to be able to set it at full though. I often play music from my own library and some older albums that aren't "remastered" to absolute garbage need listening at higher volumes. If you add that I can only play at 75% volume, then the gap to the volume I'll hear in the car will be larger, meaning that if I switch from iPod to e.g CD or radio it'll be very loud. Also a stupid side-effect of this nanny of Apples.

But it's a good idea for a workaround, although I'd prefer not to have to do any workaround at all. Thanks for the idea though!

And here's mine, in Swedish, but the toggle on @Ryebreadg s right image is missing.

Todays ride to work had two notifications. I've started keeping my phone in my jeans pocket so I can turn the volume up while on my motorcycle. How's that for safety Apple?

Swedes unite! I emailed the maker of my car bluetooth adapter (Bovee tune2air) and their phone seems to be set Taiwan and not experiencing this "feature". A bit hard to communicate what the issue is but since my phone is not at 14.2 anymore, maybe try set your phone to that and see if it's possible to toggle off this thing?

 

[_Refurbished_]

I've found, and it's a bit obvious really, that keeping the phones volume slider at around 3/4 and just turn the whatever bluetooth device you are connected up. Certainly with car system this seems to work. My 2 hour drive into work this morning didn't trigger the notification but the audio was at it's normal level while rattling along at motorway speeds.

You’ll changing the quality of the audio significantly in some cases (not all). If I do this in my car, I get almost no bass response and tinny highs.

Unfortunately this isn’t a solution for everyone and I recommend people test the audio quality with sliders set in their respective positions.

 

[Ryebreadg]

Beautiful stuff! My phone, when they were at 14.2, lacked the toggles on the right. Are both phones purchased in the same region/country? Are they set to the same region currently?

Yep. Both preordered the same day, shipped the same day, and delivered the same day.

 

[960design]

My 12 Pro on the left, my wife’s on the right. Both on 14.2

Awesome. One last thing to try:
Settings > Privacy > Health > Headphone Audio Levels > Measure Levels = OFF

You can get here a couple of ways ( directly through the Health App, for example ).

 

[Ryebreadg]

No go.

 

[960design]

No go.

Does not look like 14.1 or 14.2 on my test devices.
Do not see a bluetooth connection.

Your image duplicates the XCode sim.
Are you signed into iCloud ( I only ask because I'm not signed in on my XCode sims, and curious if that could be the 'thing' )?

 

[VSMacOne]

This is one of the most boneheaded moves by Apple in a long time. Not to mention underhanded. There was no notification that this was coming and no warning to customers about this setting.
I spent an hour on the phone with Apple Support and the dude just told me they have an internal document telling them that this is the new default for new devices going forward starting with iPhone 12 and there is no way to disable it. (My iPhone 11PM running 14.2 is still giving me the option to turn OFF the notifications).
This is so unlike Apple (but then again just like them to pull) to not think through the use cases and how it would impact people with Bluetooth adapters and motorcycles.
I was told me the support guy to submit feedback to Apple and complain about it. As of a couple of days ago he was unaware of any plans to change this setting. I can confirm the same thing is happening on 14.3 beta 2.
As a side note, I’m alarmed at how quickly some of our basic rights are being trampled in plain sight.

 

[doolar]

This is one of the most boneheaded moves by Apple in a long time. Not to mention underhanded. There was no notification that this was coming and no warning to customers about this setting.
I spent an hour on the phone with Apple Support and the dude just told me they have an internal document telling them that this is the new default for new devices going forward starting with iPhone 12 and there is no way to disable it. (My iPhone 11PM running 14.2 is still giving me the option to turn OFF the notifications).
This is so unlike Apple (but then again just like them to pull) to not think through the use cases and how it would impact people with Bluetooth adapters and motorcycles.
I was told me the support guy to submit feedback to Apple and complain about it. As of a couple of days ago he was unaware of any plans to change this setting. I can confirm the same thing is happening on 14.3 beta 2.
As a side note, I’m alarmed at how quickly some of our basic rights are being trampled in plain sight.

I have a XS and got this change with 14.2, so atleast for us Europeans it is introduced to earlier phones too.

 

[BriceApp]

My understanding is that any older phone restored on 14.2 or higher will have this turned on and be unable to turn it off then. Luckily I still have it off on my XSM.

I feel this is asking for a class action lawsuit, similar to the throttling situation. There isn’t a law or regulation in the US that limits device volume like the EU. Just because WHO and the UN want people to turn the volume down doesn’t override the laws on the books in the US. I have no problem with notifications saying the volume is too loud, but automatically turning the volume down is a bit too far.

 

[Ryebreadg]

My understanding is that any older phone restored on 14.2 or higher will have this turned on and be unable to turn it off then. Luckily I still have it off on my XSM.

I feel this is asking for a class action lawsuit, similar to the throttling situation. There isn’t a law or regulation in the US that limits device volume like the EU. Just because WHO and the UN want people to turn the volume down doesn’t override the laws on the books in the US. I have no problem with notifications saying the volume is too loud, but automatically turning the volume down is a bit too far.

Exactly.

I paid for the whole volume bar, so I’m gonna use the whole volume bar! 😬

 

[Lee_Mac]

They need to address the issue where the phone is seeing every audio bluetooth connection as a headset. I'm pretty sure it didn't prior to iOS 14.

 

[DukeSilver79]

Same problem with me. I had an android phone do it years ago. It was annoying then, and it’s annoying now.

 

[Psyko]

FWIW I submitted a report thing to Apple on the link provided earlier in the thread. I don't expect anything to come out of it, but if you have two minutes to spare then fill one out yourself.

Feedback Assistant

feedbackassistant.apple.com

 

[BriceApp]

FWIW I submitted a report thing to Apple on the link provided earlier in the thread. I don't expect anything to come out of it, but if you have two minutes to spare then fill one out yourself.

Feedback Assistant

feedbackassistant.apple.com

I have submitted feedback via the website as well as the app in the iOS beta.

 

[marklemac]

I've filled in the feedback form too.

The only 'help' at the moment is to go into the health app / browse / hearing / headphone audio levels / show all data / EDIT / DELETE ALL.

this gives a reprieve ....