Please let us know!Interesting! I have a dev license and can try it soon.
Please let us know!Interesting! I have a dev license and can try it soon.
Installing nowThanks for reporting this here ?
Let's hope someone has access to Beta builds here.
Can't wait to see if you feel there's an improvement. Thanks!Installing now
UPDATE:
I installed the 10.15.2 Beta 4 update.
1) Can confirm that it fixes the youtube audio pop. I tried Safari and Edge and tried all the actions that caused pops in the past; all those are gone now.
2) Ghosting - it is still there. May be a little bit less? But it is far from "fixed".
2) Ghosting - it is still there. May be a little bit less? But it is far from "fixed".
I dont think so, but the lighting conditions changed in my room as I was installing the update and I also wasnt paying attention to that...Is the screen any brighter? I saw someone on reddit claiming it's brighter now.
I dont think so, but the lighting conditions changed in my room as I was installing the update and I also wasnt paying attention to that...
Thanks for the fast update.
Not too surprised tbh, response time shouldn't be software related. Is the screen any brighter? I saw someone on reddit claiming it's brighter now.
What would be great is for someone with a BTO Macbook (so a fairly late manufacturing date) to check at an Apple store if the demo models (which are probably base models straight from the release batch) have worse ghosting.
I posted the response times of the 16" and the 2018 15.4" and there is a difference. Post #133.
I have been chasing that hypothesis already. See https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...g-panel-lottery-ghosting-replacement.2214469/ for some details.Thank you but that was not my question, I know some 16" panels are slower than the 15", I want to know if all of them are. Notebookcheck's model is a base model so potentially from an early batch. What I want to know is if there are differences between screen batches, and a way to do that would be to compare the earliest models (like a demo unit from an apple store) to one of the latest ones, so a BTO received recently.
My hope is that only early units got ghosty screens, that way the people affected could just return their current unit and most importantly it would mean we won't have to deal with basically defective panels for this entire product cycle. If it turns out all panels have severe ghosting, I'll have to once again give up on the Macbook Pro like I've been doing for the past 4 years and get another Windows machine.
I have been chasing that hypothesis already. See https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...g-panel-lottery-ghosting-replacement.2214469/ for some details.
Folks with panels as new as 11/11 and 11/14 have shown same ghosting issues. I think at this point, it is likely a "by design" feature of this panel.
I have been chasing that hypothesis already. See https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...g-panel-lottery-ghosting-replacement.2214469/ for some details.
Folks with panels as new as 11/11 and 11/14 have shown same ghosting issues. I think at this point, it is likely a "by design" feature of this panel.
I have an 11/11 and I think I can see it, though I don't know if it's any better or worse than the October production models.I have been chasing that hypothesis already. See https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...g-panel-lottery-ghosting-replacement.2214469/ for some details.
Folks with panels as new as 11/11 and 11/14 have shown same ghosting issues. I think at this point, it is likely a "by design" feature of this panel.
What is your manufacturer date? You can find it in coconutBattery app. Thanks!Hi, after reading this thread I checked my Macbook Pro 16" and noticed what is described here, as ghosting, too. But it does not really bother me. It is more noticeable when you switch to Dark Mode on Catalina.
It is a light "smear" effect while soft scrolling a page in Safari for example. But my Macbook Pro 2016 showed the same behaviour, I cannot see a difference there. It does not really bother me or maybe my "ghosting" is not as strong as others may experience, I don't know. But I personally don't have any problem with this display, it is great
Any way you can also quote the values for the previous generation - pre-2016?For context, here are Notebook Check's measures of response times for recent 15" or 16" MBPs, gray to gray and black to white:
2019 16": 52.4 (23.9, 28.5), 34.9 (17.8, 17.1)
2018: 43.2 (20.4, 22.8), 31.2 (16.4, 14.8)
2017: 48 (23.6, 24.4), 33.8 (19.6, 14.2)
2016: 47.3 (22.1, 25.2), 31.2 (16.7, 14.5)
2016: 46.4 (18.8, 27.6), 39.2 (7.6, 31.6)
2016: 46 (18, 28), 56 (11, 45)
So their 16" measured 13.5% slower gray to gray than the previous average of 46.18, and 9% faster black to black than the previous average of 38.28, or 3% slower than the average of 33.85 if the 56ms outlier is excluded.
I'd guess the black to black is usually more relevant for reading scrolling text, both for video.
Not huge differences, in any case.
For context, here are Notebook Check's measures of response times for recent 15" or 16" MBPs, gray to gray and black to white:
2019 16": 52.4 (23.9, 28.5), 34.9 (17.8, 17.1)
2018: 43.2 (20.4, 22.8), 31.2 (16.4, 14.8)
2017: 48 (23.6, 24.4), 33.8 (19.6, 14.2)
2016: 47.3 (22.1, 25.2), 31.2 (16.7, 14.5)
2016: 46.4 (18.8, 27.6), 39.2 (7.6, 31.6)
2016: 46 (18, 28), 56 (11, 45)
So their 16" measured 13.5% slower gray to gray than the previous average of 46.18, and 9% faster black to black than the previous average of 38.28, or 3% slower than the average of 33.85 if the 56ms outlier is excluded.
I'd guess the black to black is usually more relevant for reading scrolling text, both for video.
Not huge differences, in any case.