Sorry, that was the battery date. I do not want to install another tool on my MacBook.
I was indeed comparing the 16" with my 2014 MBP - the latter is very similar to the 2015 in terms of panel. The "text smearing" is more pronounced on the 16" compared to the 2014 MBP. The smoother the scrolling is and the text being white(r) on black(er), the more pronounced this effect happens to be.Can anyone comment how is the ghosting compared to a 2015 MacBook Pro?
Any way you can also quote the values for the previous generation - pre-2016?
I ask for that because I think there was a marked change (in the negative direction) in response times from the 2014/2015 models to 2016+ models.
I also believe that the folks that are complaining here (myself included) are coming from the pre-2016 models and are noticing the biggest change, whereas the folks that came from the 2016+ are fine - either because
1) they got adjusted a while back [1-3 years is a long time ] when they got the 2016+ laptops OR
2) they have never owned the pre-2016 models (i.e. "new" users).
I'm not aware of any measurements for the earlier models, so it's possible they were faster, though I don't recall this being a major complaint about the 2016 15" when it came out. Maybe the keyboard kept people from focusing on it as much.Any way you can also quote the values for the previous generation - pre-2016?
I ask for that because I think there was a marked change (in the negative direction) in response times from the 2014/2015 models to 2016+ models.
I also believe that the folks that are complaining here (myself included) are coming from the pre-2016 models and are noticing the biggest change, whereas the folks that came from the 2016+ are fine - either because
1) they got adjusted a while back [1-3 years is a long time ] when they got the 2016+ laptops OR
2) they have never owned the pre-2016 models (i.e. "new" users).
This is very likely a software issue that can be fixed....
What drives me crazy is that Safari does only smooth scroll via the touchpad. When you scroll a page up or down with the cursor key the scrolling is very jerky. Chrome on Mac OS too.
Maybe I am weird, too ;-)
Janni
This is very likely a software issue that can be fixed.
What's the manufacturing date on the newer one?Now have two 2019 16" MBP. First one was made 11-11, new one just arrived. Think new one has worse ghosting...
What's the manufacturing date on the newer one?
396/5000Hi all,
Received my 16" yesterday. After some playing around last night and today I've noticed a potential issue I'd like to compare. When using the launch pad and moving between apps, the display seems to have ghosting - its not smoothly transitioning between each page of apps. Ive noticed the same thing for stuff like text when scrolling, its blurry until you stop still. Has anyone else noticed this at all?
I'm using the 16" MBP as is.
I do have a 165hz monitor that I am used to, however I use an older 15" 2012 at work and this doesn't display the same thing I've noticed here :/
Cheers.
I was in a German Apple Store today and tested two MacBook Pro 16s both had ghosting, stronger than my old 2017 model. the ghosting was not that extreme but for me to recognize.
is it really that it can be fixed by software or is it a hardware problem? did you test with Intel graphics card or with the AMD GPU?
396/5000
I was just about to order an MBP 16 "then I read about the pop sound and ghost screen. I took my bike and visited the local Apple retailer. To my surprise, I had a very hard time distinguishing my MBP 15" mid 2015 and MBP 16 " The ghost problem is either very exaggerated or it is a problem with a certain batch. I raised the volume at high volume and it was absolutely no pop sound.
I don't doubt those who think they have problems but it seems to vary between different individuals.
I will postpone my order and follow this thread.
Stephan
Norway
Are you saying you can see the ghosting effect in videos? I have been unable to. Been watching 4K60 videos and they are butter smooth (to my eyes). The only place this text ghosting bothers me is with white text on black background - which unfortunately are becoming all too common with dark mode for apps and websites.Funny, I was annoyed by ghosting on a XPS13, switched to a MBP15 a while ago, and now with the 16 I was not even thinking about ghosting when I read the news about it. Suddenly I can see it
Enough joking though, I have sever ghosting too, while trying to see it in videos, it appears to be more annoying when scrolling or going through launchpad :/
Are you saying you can see the ghosting effect in videos? I have been unable to. Been watching 4K60 videos and they are butter smooth (to my eyes). The only place this text ghosting bothers me is with white text on black background - which unfortunately are becoming all too common with dark mode for apps and websites.
And like someone said, one really weird thing is that this effect seems to come and go - I swear I can so easily reproduce it at times, and other times I struggle to see this effect even when trying explicitly. Ugh.
It may be some kind of energy saving thing, like there is e.g. overdrive for some displays to have faster response times a.s.o.
Also, somebody somewhere wrote that the ghosting stops when setting the refresh rate to 47,95hz - this causes the display refresh rate to be less obviously, so it gets sluggish and the ghosting less seeable due not that much pixels during "a move", that's what I think at least.
It's most noticeable in launchpad though, because one cannot change the scrolling speed of the icons when swiping, when you scroll text you sometimes scroll slower a.s.o.
Anyway, maybe there is some power saving functionality, something like safe mode or so with only a terminal and no drivers would be interesting. Or windows
Edit: Just tested against a MBP13 2016 with an iPhone 11 Pro with Slo - Mo, it seems its worse on the 13. Interesting.
Edit: According to Notebookcheck the MBP 13 2016 has a 48% slower black to white response time.
That's an interesting point. I wonder how many people complaining about ghosting are using dark mode. I generally don't, and I do think I see the effect a bit more when it is enabled. Still not that big of a deal IMO.The only place this text ghosting bothers me is with white text on black background - which unfortunately are becoming all too common with dark mode for apps and websites.
looks like you aren't Mac user, because there is a safe mode in MacOS
Are you saying you can see the ghosting effect in videos? I have been unable to. Been watching 4K60 videos and they are butter smooth (to my eyes). The only place this text ghosting bothers me is with white text on black background - which unfortunately are becoming all too common with dark mode for apps and websites.
And like someone said, one really weird thing is that this effect seems to come and go - I swear I can so easily reproduce it at times, and other times I struggle to see this effect even when trying explicitly. Ugh.
Somewhere in a German forum a member posted with the latest Catalina Dev Beta the ghosting should be gone!?
I don’t know cam anyone test it maybe ? I’m unsure to buy the 16 MacBook Pro. If ghosting is like it is and seems so far it’s absolutely a no go compared even to the 2017 Model.