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1Password Launches Recovery Codes and Simplified Sign-In Process

I have never trusted password managers and the only reason I use Apple's is the same reason I only hire people with a valid contractor's license, if your house burns down because of their work, there is still a modicum of a chance that I can sue and recover something. If a small password manager company gets hacked what then? There is no recourse. You just suck it up as they file for bankruptcy. When it comes to Apple, at least you know that everyone is coming after them and the money they have stashed in their refrigerator.
The same goes for "anti-virus" software.
 
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breenmask said:
who cares? I'm glad 1Password will be out of business soon. blood sucking leeches...
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I understand the feeling. I kinda feel the same way too, but I also admit it's a bit unfair.

Nevertheless, I am a little pissy that they did not offer a standalone upgrade from v7 to v8. I've been a LONG time paying customer, paying for every upgrade from v3 onwards until v8. I just don't like the subscription model and truly, we are now seeing MANY MANY people -- not just in the tech world -- complain about the endless subscriptions. It's never ending money leech.
 
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dave070 said:
It's $3 a month for a very useful and frequently updated product. Sure, I wish we didn't have so many subscriptions to things but it's the new way of doing business on so many things. To have this level of anger at just this company for this is really odd. Adobe did this and profits have never been higher. And people still use their software.
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I think what you're witnessing amongst those like me who are upset about subscription models is WE ARE AGAINST NORMALIZING THIS KIND OF EXPERIENCE. I absolutely do NOT normalize this kind of process and let it co-opt what we think is fine. It isn't.
 
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TriBruin said:
Hi, you must be new here. :D

Arguing for the point of arguing is required. Why do you think that MR posts so many articles about 1Password?
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Point taken
It just gets so tiring sometimes

I see no need to trash a great company & product

Even if one doesn't use or like 1P, they should be happy it exists to push the offerings from others, including Apple
 
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Lioness~ said:
I’ll stick with 1Password too. It’s a too important tool to mess with imo.

For the price it’s sooo worth what I get for it now.
I can think of plenty of less important ways to save money, if their price is the factor.
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Ditto. Frequent updates with bug fixes and added features, and amazing support keeps me a loyal customer.

My experience with 1Password support has been amazingly good, something that Apple has never matched. I am working through an issue now. They responded to my initial support request in 1.5 hours. During the following email chain they responded 5 times yesterday, explaining things and walking me through the fix. I've never experienced better support over the years from what I have with 1Password.
 
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Everyone mentions that they dislike 1Password for the subscription. For me, it wasn’t an issue that they changed their business model. In fact I was willing to pay more for what I had to support them. Honestly for an app that maintains your most sensitive data, I‘d prefer a reasonable subscription to ensure their continuity.

The issue for me was that they eliminated all of the features I really liked. For instance, I preferred iCloud sync method to their service. When thinking about where I wanted my most trusted data to go, I preferred encrypted by me on an apple server. The electron app, while not close to the best one I’ve used, still didn’t have the fit and finish of the last one. Many cite the safari extension and that’s a pain point for me too.

I’ve been maintaining my passwords in iCloud Keychain simultaneously. Sucks because when it was good, 1Password was the best. I’d maybe argue it is still the best, but there’s definitely a trend I’ve detected and I suspect it’s a VC push toward the enterprise. Love to see a change, but I fear it’s not looking good—At least for my needs.
 
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reyesmac said:
How many accounts can be hosted off one computer with a few terabytes of data on it? Im sure it's pretty cheap so if they don't lower their prices drastically over the next 5 years they wont be around much longer than that. They lost me when that went to the cloud, I still use their older version because my passwords do not go through the internet to get saved who knows where and I don't have to pay every month for it. Hopefully more local and encrypted password managers will start being made as an alternative to the cloud strategy.
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KeePassXC does exactly what you want, and it's open source.
 
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I'm firmly in the "don't keep all my eggs in one basket" camp. As good as Apple's updated Keychain app is promising to be, I am extremely leery of iCloud containing all my logins and passkeys. It was only this spring that I (along with tons of other people) got randomly booted out of iCloud on every Apple device I owned, requiring a password reset. I was lucky enough to be able to recover within an hour, but there were reports here and elsewhere of people getting stuck in terrible authentication loops and Apple letting them wait a week or more to reset. I know Apple isn't the only one who can experience issues like this, but they never did share any details about this incident, or even publically acknowledge it. iCloud already contains pretty much every piece of digital data I own, so getting locked out of it for whatever reason would be bad enough without it also holding the login to every online service I use.

I've found 1Password a very capable product, and it's especially good at enabling me to use shared vaults with other family members. I'm no fan of subscription pricing, but at the same time if I'm putting every banking password I own into a system, I need that system to be robust, secure, flexible and updated frequently to counter threats and work smoothly with websites I use. 1Password has ticked all those boxes, and to me it's well worth the $5/month I pay. (Hell, there are astrology or tape measure apps that charge this much or more.) Small price to pay for redundancy and security, as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Apple_Robert said:
How does Apple "dabble" in the area of account security?
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It dabbles in the area of providing a password app which is a massively critical part of your digital life. They can’t even release an iOS patch without some bug like restoring deleted photos etc. Apple is great with security, not sure I’d trust them with my passwords.
 
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I don't understand this at all. If you can lose your secret key and password, you can certainly lose your recovery key. You already have something you should presumably be keeping protected so you never get locked out, how is this any different? I'm not understanding the logic of it.
 
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Was a big fan of 1Password for quite some time. It became too convoluted and confusing between integration, what purchase had this and that license, and the entire service simply went awry. I slowly let Apple Passwords take over these responsibilities and it works flawlessly.
 
breenmask said:
1Password
- Paid software
- Doesn't control the hardware
- Doesn't control the operating system/ecosystem

Sorry, but it's not going to last, especially when the people who are thinking about switching over to passkeys are reevaluating where to store their passkeys for the future.
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Apple
- "Free" software
- Controls the hardware
- Controls the operation system/ecosystem
- Offers no support

My iMac has been unable to log into iCloud for nine months. I enter my ID and password, it churns, and then ignores it. I wasted two months with Apple support and learned they have no idea how to support it. They just had me try random things to see if anything worked. One rep moaned, "iCloud has gotten very complex." They had me delete a lot of stuff from my iMac, like my VPN app. Seriously. None of that helped, and I've had to add some of it back.

I am not alone. Others have reported iCloud problems in various forums that Apple is unable to fix.

I would never, ever trust passwords to an unsupported (unsupportable?) cloud service.
 
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applefanboysince93 said:
Nah the switch to 1Password 8 has been rough. The Electron app is garbage. Mac heads hate 1Password because they were a Mac first product and now it’s a platform less Electron app that has the feel of Windows Vista.
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I've been on Mac since 1988 1987 and have been using 1Password for years.

1Password 8 is not perfect. There are places I think it needs a little more polish, and places I think need a bit more attention to be more Mac like. (Not having a Manage Accounts menu command in the top bar is damn near unforgivable.) But it is also cleaner, more complete and more stable than 1Password 7 and earlier ever managed to be. While I don't think I ever managed to crash classic 1Password, I managed to get it into unrecoverable states and had to force quit it at least weekly (things like views being stuck or empty, and only restarting the app would fix them).

I wanted to hate it. I generally despise Electron apps, and the places Electron still shows through are my least favorite parts of the app. It would be better native. But it's already better than 1Password 7 was. Native is not the only thing that can make a great app.
 
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DocMultimedia said:
Other products let you store additional info such as photos, text files, PDFs, etc.

In any case, I'm hoping the "notes" feature in Password will let me deal with such things since I've avoided the subscription on 1PW (loved single purchase).

No matter what you think of one product there are always other opinions for a variety of reasons. GUI, platforms, integration, keyboard usage, etc. Different things make sense to different people.
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I too haven't seen any mention in the info about the Apple Passwords app and things like secure notes. Are those currently in the beta?

If not, that would certainly hold me back from moving from 1P to Apple Passwords. I really hope they add the ability for notes and attachments.

I'm still using 1P 7, never going to touch that v8 Electron nightmare and am really hoping Apple's Passwords app is more robust than a super simple quick Apple intern-made 2-day hobby project like some of the stuff they put out there.
 
jmpo said:
Exactly. This is what many don't understand about Apple's version.
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I keep hearing that there's an official Keychain plugin for Chrome now? I have seen it in the Chrome store but it always looks not-so-official so I don't trust it, maybe I should?

But if that is a real true Apple official plugin for Chrome that they have now, I would hope that they'd do the same and make a Chromium plugin to cover all Chrome browsers for the new Passwords app as well. I hope they also make a Firefox one too.

Anyone have experience using the current Chrome extension and how well it works?
 
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