1Password Launches Recovery Codes and Simplified Sign-In Process

[carl76tr]

I dropped upgrades when they got too greedy and have been limping along with my old perpetual license ever since. Looking forward to dumping them completely when osx includes proper password management this fall.

 

[psxp]

Bitwarden

 

[Corefile]

So I assume Adobe is going out of business soon too then?

Whit? Is Adobe writing their apps in Electron now???

 

[interessiert]

I've noticed a much improved Safari extension experience lately as well. 1Password is going to remain king for advanced users, but of course anyone who feels that the built-in Passwords.app is enough, good for them!

Better alternatives are KeyPassXC or ENPASS (with a fair one time purchase).

Nobody needs to pay more for 1Password...

 

[interessiert]

Who are you replacing them with?

I already replaced with ENPASS
(fair price for one time purchase in iOS and for free in macOS, easy export from 1Password to ENPASS)
Don't forget to delete the transfer file 😉

 

[Mr. Heckles]

I don't understand why anybody would pay for a password manager when Keychain is built into macOS, and KeePassXC is free.

Makes zero sense.

Keychain is garbage I also posted why it’s a bad idea:

Here is my issue with Apple Keychain and now their password app. Someone tried to get into my oldest daughter’s iCloud account. They didn’t get in, but Apple locked her account for security reasons and it took 4 days for her to prove it’s her, and to get in.

Her Apple stuff was useless at this time. When she unlocked her iPhone, she get getting pop ups and couldn’t use it. She had to use an old iPhone and just made a new Apple ID to use temporary. She downloaded her 3rd party password manager, logged in, and she was back in business under a different Apple ID.

If she didn’t use a 3rd party password manager, she would have been screwed. 4 days without accessing your password and your accounts can be very bad, especially if you needed to pay stuff.

as for KeepassXC, it’s not user friendly at all. I don’t mind it, but it’s not easy to use for an 80-something old parent. It also doesn’t offer features that are a must for me.

I hate Macrumors post this, all it end up is being a b@#ching contest wheee people don’t understand other users needs and wants. I probably do know why they post it, MacRumors gets a kickback.

Better alternatives are KeyPassXC or ENPASS (with a fair one time purchase).

Nobody needs to pay more for 1Password...

Again, nether of them offers features that 1Password does. Why do people care what others use?

 

[collide007]

It's $3 a month for a very useful and frequently updated product. Sure, I wish we didn't have so many subscriptions to things but it's the new way of doing business on so many things. To have this level of anger at just this company for this is really odd. Adobe did this and profits have never been higher. And people still use their software.

Only getting a big cash infusion when a major version is released has to make planning and running a software company much harder. If $3 leads to better software and releases then I'm fine with that. If $3 a month is too expensive for you, can always just write it down on a post it note or use some of the free software options out there.

I pay for a family account annually. Works out to the equivalent of $1.22 per month per user. Bargain for peace of mind, good cross-platform apps (I agree that they could be improved though, I did prefer the native coded versions) that store much more than just passwords with easy and secure sharing between users and even non-users if the need arises.

 

[.wojtek]

How about making a functional MacOS Safari plugin that doesn't fail daily instead? Constantly reloading it for six months has become annoying. At least the native Password integration is working flawlessly since exporting from 1Password and importing via Safari.

I'd say it's a Safari issue? I tried to use it but as a heavy extensions user after a while I just gave up - there were constant issues that something was broken or plugin just vanished... honestly, Safari may be nice and fast but it's just plain annoying to use in certain uses...

 

[TriBruin]

I'd say it's a Safari issue? I tried to use it but as a heavy extensions user after a while I just gave up - there were constant issues that something was broken or plugin just vanished... honestly, Safari may be nice and fast but it's just plain annoying to use in certain uses...

I suspect that the 1Password developers are pushing the limits of what can be done with Extensions in Safari. The chrome based extensions work great, just the Safari extension. We know Apple tends to neuter their APIs and force vendors to live with certain limitations. Probably the case here.

 

[collide007]

I think what you're witnessing amongst those like me who are upset about subscription models is WE ARE AGAINST NORMALIZING THIS KIND OF EXPERIENCE. I absolutely do NOT normalize this kind of process and let it co-opt what we think is fine. It isn't.

I agree that app subscriptions shouldn’t be the norm, it needs to make sense for me to accept it (or work out the same as buying a licence ever year). However 1Password is as much a service as it’s an app now. Before their subscription model, I synced 1Password with another service (first Dropbox then iCloud). As 1Password is so security focused, I trust their cloud solution more than a 3rd party. That in itself is worth the subscription for me.

 

[ThrawnTHX]

Man, there’s some 1password bitterness here. I mean, it has grown from an app using either dropbox or iCloud to a multi-platform service using their own backend. I can see the justification for a subscription. They’re also solid, good customer service, and unbreached. Apple’s service won’t really matter. Plenty of users still need 1password on Windows and I use it on Linux.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I don't understand the "greedy" comments
I'm spending $35.88 per year for it ($3/month)

Even if they did a "new" version every two years, I guarantee it would cost basically the same ($70-ish)

It's an indispensable tool and incredible value


What's poor value?

The $10/month I have to fork over to Apple for 2TB of storage (of which I need about 1/3), because they purposely designed their iCloud tiers for one level to not be enough, and the next one up to be way too much ...

Apple has absolutely mastered the art of screwing their customers

The "Ops Guy CEO" is really good at "OPS-ing" all of our wallets

 

[dave070]

I don't understand the "greedy" comments
I'm spending $35.88 per year for it ($3/month)

Even if they did a "new" version every two years, I guarantee it would cost basically the same ($70-ish)

It's an indispensable tool and incredible value


What's poor value?

The $10/month I have to fork over to Apple for 2TB of storage (of which I need about 1/3), because they purposely designed their iCloud tiers for one level to not be enough, and the next one up to be way too much ...

Apple has absolutely mastered the art of screwing their customers

The "Ops Guy CEO" is really good at "OPS-ing" all of our wallets

Exactly. It is easily the best program I've used over the last decade on the Mac (most useful I should say and one I use daily). The developers reply to support questions and seem responsive on feature updates.

I'm sure it could be improved like every program can too.

 

[einsteinbqat]

I don’t like what Agilebits/1Password has become, and I’ll use 1P7 until it won’t work anymore, but Agilebits/1Password IS NOT going to go dead just because Apple made a separate, standalone, password app. 1Password has already moved on. Their business and their clients are now the corporate world. They don’t care for the end users like when they first started. 1Password is not going to go belly up any time soon.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I don’t like what Agilebits/1Password has become

What have they "become"?

 

[Mr. Heckles]

I don’t like what Agilebits/1Password has become,

a successful company that puts out a great product?

and I’ll use 1P7 until it won’t work anymore, but Agilebits/1Password IS NOT going to go dead just because Apple made a separate, standalone, password app. 1Password has already moved on.

there are so many other standalone ones too, and they will all be fine.

Their business and their clients are now the corporate world. They don’t care for the end users like when they first started. 1Password is not going to go belly up any time soon.

Speak for yourself, I’ve been using it since the day of licenses and they are constantly adding new features to make things easier… hence this thread.

 

[ThrawnTHX]

Yes, we all admire Apple for product integration, but if we want to talk about corporate greed, Agilebits is not the star of the show. What ruffles my feathers worse than a subscription is a desktop computer with soldered RAM and NVME. That’s in a desktop with room to spare. That’s greed.

 

[einsteinbqat]

What have they "become"?

a successful company that puts out a great product?

There is a whole discussion thread about this on here.

there are so many other standalone ones too, and they will all be fine.

Yes, there are. Apple Password app won't change much for them.

Speak for yourself, I’ve been using it since the day of licenses and they are constantly adding new features to make things easier… hence this thread.

And? I have been using 1P since v4. Yet, what I wrote is not mutually exclusive. The fact that 1P has turn its sight on corporate does not mean that 1P8 and beyond will not satisfy end users like you and others. This is not a case of either or, but rather a point that people saying that 1P is going to be sherlocked or going the way of the dodo is just nearsighted.

This sums it up: https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/15/if-you-think-apple-sherlocked-1password-you-arent-paying-attention/

 

[svenmany]

They don’t care for the end users like when they first started.

I think that's wrong. They supported me full-steam with my recent request. They really did care. Just because they've expanded into the enterprise, doesn't mean they've abandoned the end users. I have some hard evidence showing how much they care.

Timeline:

2024-06-16 12:56 - I submitted a support request
2024-06-16 14:33 - They responded asking a few questions and finished with "Thank you for your help with this and I look forward to hearing from you."

I got busy and didn't follow through till:

2024-06-19 15:19 - I wrote back that the problem was gone
2024-06-20 02:10 - They responded that the recent update addressed my concern
2024-06-20 08:30 - I asked for a bit of clarification
2024-06-20 10:06 - They responded with some information and asked a question
2024-06-20 10:46 - I responded
2024-06-20 11:24 - They responded with a question
2024-06-20 11:34 - I responded
2024-06-20 11:52 - They responded with instructions, assuming all was good - They ever so slightly misunderstood my question
2024-06-20 12:12 - I answered saying I was confused
2024-06-20 13:15 - They escalated to a senior service representative. They gave detailed information and instructions

I got busy and didn't follow through till:

2024-06-22 08:00 - I wrote to report I followed the instructions and all was good
2024-06-22 08.07 - The senior rep responded with well wishes.

Five different support people contacted me during this, all maintaining a clear understanding of the state of the discussion. All were very intelligent, friendly, and clear. They were more responsive than I was during this exchange.

They care very much about the end user.

 

[msackey]

I agree that app subscriptions shouldn’t be the norm, it needs to make sense for me to accept it (or work out the same as buying a licence ever year). However 1Password is as much a service as it’s an app now. Before their subscription model, I synced 1Password with another service (first Dropbox then iCloud). As 1Password is so security focused, I trust their cloud solution more than a 3rd party. That in itself is worth the subscription for me.

As you know 1P was not a subscription service until v7 and at v7, we had the option to not use their subscription and only use local drive or other cloud services to sync the local vault. At v8, they made a business decision to not support local vault. It wasn’t a technological reason.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I always get a bit concerned when I see convenience in context of security. So this is another key to put in a safe incase your first key is lost from the safe. I don’t get it.

Saying that I love 1Password. First app and plug in I install be it on MacOs, iOS, Windows, Android, Linux. You name it. Love how it even works on the command line, been able to store passkeys and totp for a long time now.

As long as they don’t default this I’m happy with it.

 

[Tanax]

Honestly this comment section is a bit hilarious.

I cannot imagine that too many people will switch from 1P to Apple Passwords. People that use a product like 1P are generally very conscious about their security/privacy. And the first thing such a person thinks about is not to put everything in one basket.

Sure we heard about a lot of people here that plan to switch, but this is also a very niched forum of Apple users. I don't even think all of the people who have commented "bye 1P" even use 1P.

And about subscription services.. I agree that they can get a bit too much sometimes, but 1P is one of the services I've been happy to pay a subscription for for many years to keep my passwords safe.

Just like I'm paying for my email (Proton and HEY) and not using a free alternative.
Just like I'm paying for my search provider (Kagi) and not using a free alternative.
Just like I'm paying for my email alias service (SimpleLogin) and not using a free alternative.
Just like I'm paying for my VPN (Proton) and not using a free alternative.

In a world where we are increasingly being more and more monitored, paying for services that don't sell you is something I'm happy to do.

 

[turbineseaplane]

...And about subscription services.. I agree that they can get a bit too much sometimes, but 1P is one of the services I've been happy to pay a subscription for for many years to keep my passwords safe.

Just like I'm paying for my email (Proton and HEY) and not using a free alternative.
Just like I'm paying for my search provider (Kagi) and not using a free alternative.
Just like I'm paying for my email alias service (SimpleLogin) and not using a free alternative.
Just like I'm paying for my VPN (Proton) and not using a free alternative.

In a world where we are increasingly being more and more monitored, paying for services that don't sell you is something I'm happy to do.

This is the way folks! ^^

(insert your own prefs for the various services of course -- I'm a Fastmail person for instance)

If you care deeply about a type of service, content and what it offers, pay for it!

 

[Mr. Heckles]

Honestly this comment section is a bit hilarious.

I cannot imagine that too many people will switch from 1P to Apple Passwords. People that use a product like 1P are generally very conscious about their security/privacy. And the first thing such a person thinks about is not to put everything in one basket.

Sure we heard about a lot of people here that plan to switch, but this is also a very niched forum of Apple users. I don't even think all of the people who have commented "bye 1P" even use 1P.

And about subscription services.. I agree that they can get a bit too much sometimes, but 1P is one of the services I've been happy to pay a subscription for for many years to keep my passwords safe.

Just like I'm paying for my email (Proton and HEY) and not using a free alternative.
Just like I'm paying for my search provider (Kagi) and not using a free alternative.
Just like I'm paying for my email alias service (SimpleLogin) and not using a free alternative.
Just like I'm paying for my VPN (Proton) and not using a free alternative.

In a world where we are increasingly being more and more monitored, paying for services that don't sell you is something I'm happy to do.

I couldn’t agree more. I also like not having too many services tired to my Apple ID. I use Linux, Windows, and Android also and using these services make it so easy. One day I might drop Apple, and I can do it with a drop of a hat.

This is the way folks! ^^

(insert your own prefs for the various services of course -- I'm a Fastmail person for instance)

If you care deeply about a type of service, content and what it offers, pay for it!

Same here. I use Fastmail and it’s well worth the money.

I also pay for Carrot, and I love it.

 

[svenmany]

I couldn’t agree more. I also like not having too many services tired to my Apple ID. I use Linux, Windows, and Android also and using these services make it so easy. One day I might drop Apple, and I can do it with a drop of a hat.

Same here. I use Fastmail and it’s well worth the money.

I also pay for Carrot, and I love it.

Ditto on Fastmail. I pay $100/year for my wife and myself.

There is a difference between a software subscription and a service subscription. Both Fastmail and 1Password are service subscriptions. I use both, all day long and constantly. I count on 100% uptime and reliability; they've never failed me. iCloud has failed me a number of times.