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VitoBotta said:
I might try it, I guess you are as I don't happen to add or update passwords etc often. the Passwords app doesn't seem to support secure notes though. Do you use encrypted Apple Notes for that?
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Apple's current Keychain allows for notes and Keychain is encrypted so, there is no need to encrypt notes inside of Keychain. It is my understanding that the current beta of the Passwords app doesn't include a Notes section. I have no proof but, I am inclined to believe that will change as the beta cycles progress. If not, one can use Apple Notes if needed.

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So I haven't messed with it that much yet, I did import my 800 bitwarden passwords into it. Yes you can import from a .csv file, you can export too. Yes, there is a notes section for EACH password you want to add - different from a notes section entirely like there is in lastpass for example...
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Apple_Robert said:
If you believe in Apple enough to be totally in the ecosystem, (as you are) it makes more sense to use the new Passwords App when it is released, and keep Bitwarden updated in case there was a problem and you couldn't access Keychain for some reason. Always have a backup, whether it be passwords or email.
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That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm using Apple Passwords (keychain) since 2 or 3 years now. It just works so flawlessly and there are noch hickups or anything else. It just works. Yes, has few features. But most of the features I was missing I found elsewhere. Like secret notes. You can password protect Apple notes.
I still use Bitwarden, but just as a backup and for my gaming PC. I don't enter every password two times. I just export Apple passwords every month or so or when I'm missing something on the PC and import the whole list to Bitwarden.
 
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Apple_Robert said:
Apple's current Keychain allows for notes and Keychain is encrypted so, there is no need to encrypt notes inside of Keychain. It is my understanding that the current beta of the Passwords app doesn't include a Notes section. I have no proof but, I am inclined to believe that will change as the beta cycles progress. If not, one can use Apple Notes if needed.

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So I haven't messed with it that much yet, I did import my 800 bitwarden passwords into it. Yes you can import from a .csv file, you can export too. Yes, there is a notes section for EACH password you want to add - different from a notes section entirely like there is in lastpass for example...
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Yeah it's likely they will add notes to the Passwords app. I am just surprised they introduced it without it because it's one thing I bet many people use with password managers.
 
I'm not completely sure why there is the need for a notes app within a password manager. I mean, I understand the need for password protected notes, but I prefer to have my notes in my notes app that already can password protect notes.
I mean, every notes app does notes better than a password manager. I have the feeling that password protected notes in password managers became one of the features developers implement to shill the next version of their software.

Nowadays we tend to have super apps that try to do everything but can't do anything perfect. I guess I'm more basic and I try to have a perfect app for every need I have.
All those guys complaining about Apple being too basic and lacking features in its apps? How often do we need every tool on a Swiss army knife? Most of the time I just use the bigger blade.
 
johnkree said:
I'm not completely sure why there is the need for a notes app within a password manager. I mean, I understand the need for password protected notes, but I prefer to have my notes in my notes app that already can password protect notes.
I mean, every notes app does notes better than a password manager. I have the feeling that password protected notes in password managers became one of the features developers implement to shill the next version of their software.

Nowadays we tend to have super apps that try to do everything but can't do anything perfect. I guess I'm more basic and I try to have a perfect app for every need I have.
All those guys complaining about Apple being too basic and lacking features in its apps? How often do we need every tool on a Swiss army knife? Most of the time I just use the bigger blade.
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For me, a notes app has become a place for me to store ideas in life and work. If I want to store credit card, passport and license in case of looking up in need, yes it is where original kind of notes, so that's why Apple Notes has its role. I think many people may accept the evolution of notes while we don't want to mess up these two kinds of notes.
 
johnkree said:
I'm not completely sure why there is the need for a notes app within a password manager. I mean, I understand the need for password protected notes, but I prefer to have my notes in my notes app that already can password protect notes.
I mean, every notes app does notes better than a password manager. I have the feeling that password protected notes in password managers became one of the features developers implement to shill the next version of their software.
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I keep security related information in 1Password notes. Some of the notes have long keys or other confidential information. Because that information is kept in 1Password, it's far easier to find wherever I am: iPhone, Mac, windows. Navigating the Files app on my iPhone would be quite tedious when I'm in the middle of trying to sort out a security thing.

1Password has many categories of items it supports. Mostly, that's just the choice of starting fields they make available when creating a new item. All of the categories include a notes field. Also, you can add and remove fields from an item in any category. There is no "notes app" in 1Password and they aren't shilling a feature by allowing any item to have a notes field. When you create a "Secure Note" in 1Password you just start with an item having a single field to hold a note. In 1Password notes are not formatted; they are plain text.

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All those guys complaining about Apple being too basic and lacking features in its apps? How often do we need every tool on a Swiss army knife?
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You are in Apple's target audience for their applications - the basic user. You struggle to see beyond your own simpler requirements and the way you work. I don't need every feature offered by any of my applications, but I always want more than what Apple offers. In fact, I always want more than what every app offers, but in Apple's case, the lack is extreme.
 
svenmany said:
Navigating the Files app on my iPhone would be quite tedious when I'm in the middle of trying to sort out a security thing.
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I don't have to navigate the files app. I open Notes.app on my iPhone. Because I know that in the Notes.app there are all my notes. There is one thing I despise and that's fragmentation. I prefer having notes in the Notes.app and passwords in my keychain. I don't want a calendar app trying to be a todo app and I don't need a mail app trying to be a calendar. Because that's how people get stressed, having 3 calendars, notes everywhere and having open a hundred apps at once and scrolling through 5 screens till they find what they need.
As I stated, I like to have apps that do what they are supposed to do.

svenmany said:
There is no "notes app" in 1Password and they aren't shilling a feature by allowing any item to have a notes field.
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I don't want to be rude or anything, sorry if English being my second language results in something not nice but... App developers want to sell. And to justify people having version 6 buying version 7 they usually add features. You don't sell software by selling simple updates. And since all the fancy software companies decided to go full subscription they are even more under pressure to deliver features to justify subs.
And to justify their sub models they add a ton of features to their software, sometimes good features but often for the worse. The software gets clunky and bloated and yadda yadda.

svenmany said:
You are in Apple's target audience for their applications - the basic user. You struggle to see beyond your own simpler requirements and the way you work. I don't need every feature offered by any of my applications, but I always want more than what Apple offers. In fact, I always want more than what every app offers, but in Apple's case, the lack is extreme.
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I'm no basic user by any means. I'm old school, yes. But I'm not basic. First of all, I love how Apple works cross platform. I like to start a note on my phone and finish it on my Macbook. I like to unlock passwords with my fingerprint or by just looking at my phone. I like how flawless and fast everything works. Oh how often was I furious about 1Password not saving the entered password or the generated password.
I'm not basic. My approach is different. I take a scandi knife for woodwork, I take a pocket knife for carrying, I take a kitchen knife for cutting tomatoes.
And I have the same approach with software. I sometimes end up writing my own python scripts because I don't like the apps available. I use Keyboard Maestro to automate stuff. I do a lot of stuff via terminal because it's simple and effective. My requirements aren't simple, either. I just work different. And I don't like bloated Electron stuff that uses 250 MB of RAM when it simply has to fill in passwords. When I order Pizza, I don't need a drone to deliver it. It is delivered by bike. Fast and reliable. Old school.
 
johnkree said:
I don't have to navigate the files app. I open Notes.app on my iPhone. Because I know that in the Notes.app there are all my notes. There is one thing I despise and that's fragmentation. I prefer having notes in the Notes.app and passwords in my keychain. I don't want a calendar app trying to be a todo app and I don't need a mail app trying to be a calendar. Because that's how people get stressed, having 3 calendars, notes everywhere and having open a hundred apps at once and scrolling through 5 screens till they find what they need.
As I stated, I like to have apps that do what they are supposed to do.


I don't want to be rude or anything, sorry if English being my second language results in something not nice but... App developers want to sell. And to justify people having version 6 buying version 7 they usually add features. You don't sell software by selling simple updates. And since all the fancy software companies decided to go full subscription they are even more under pressure to deliver features to justify subs.
And to justify their sub models they add a ton of features to their software, sometimes good features but often for the worse. The software gets clunky and bloated and yadda yadda.


I'm no basic user by any means. I'm old school, yes. But I'm not basic. First of all, I love how Apple works cross platform. I like to start a note on my phone and finish it on my Macbook. I like to unlock passwords with my fingerprint or by just looking at my phone. I like how flawless and fast everything works. Oh how often was I furious about 1Password not saving the entered password or the generated password.
I'm not basic. My approach is different. I take a scandi knife for woodwork, I take a pocket knife for carrying, I take a kitchen knife for cutting tomatoes.
And I have the same approach with software. I sometimes end up writing my own python scripts because I don't like the apps available. I use Keyboard Maestro to automate stuff. I do a lot of stuff via terminal because it's simple and effective. My requirements aren't simple, either. I just work different. And I don't like bloated Electron stuff that uses 250 MB of RAM when it simply has to fill in passwords. When I order Pizza, I don't need a drone to deliver it. It is delivered by bike. Fast and reliable. Old school.
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I use Obsidian for my notes app. I don't have it on my iPhone since it is a paid offering on that platform (I think). Obsidian keeps notes in free-standing markdown files, accessible on disk. For me to get at them on the iPhone would require the Files app. On that common theme, the Notes app is too simplistic for my requirements. It would be pretty outrageous to have to switch to Notes just because my password program failed to provide such basic functionality.

I'd encourage you to imagine that others have different needs than you do. Having notes in a password app is important to me. You'll never get me to consider that adding such a simple feature is adding bloat and just done to make money. Even free Bitwarden supports secure notes.
 
svenmany said:
I'd encourage you to imagine that others have different needs than you do. Having notes in a password app is important to me. You'll never get me to consider that adding such a simple feature is adding bloat and just done to make money. Even free Bitwarden supports secure notes.
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I never said otherwise. Everyone should do as they like. I was just giving you a reply to your statement calling me a basic user.
Almost every commercial software has feature driven development. Why would someone pay 50$ for the next version or 50$ subscription when the software stays the same all the time.
If I remember correctly, 1Password added secure notes in version 3. And they kept adding features to it. Like adding tables. IMHO it's bloat. :)
 
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svenmany said:
Just plain text, unless I'm missing something.
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Just checked - Both Bitwarden and Apple's Keychain also have just plain text secure notes. I have a feeling you're referring to something completely different. You did say "notes app". If you are considering a full blown editor with styling, tables, etc, then I would consider that out of scope for a password manager. So, maybe we aren't disagreeing.
 
johannnn said:
It’s crazy that in 2024, the main competitor is subscription-based and written in Electron. From a company with +1000 employees.

I hope this news forces more innovation from their side. Last years all I’ve seen is a slow death by corporate investing
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I doubt it. Once the private equity guys come in, they want to see one thing and that is revenue and sales growth. Product becomes soul-less. I have seen it too many times.

johnkree said:
They won't because their main target now is corporate stuff. And corporates don't want their employees to save local. That's it.
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They could always have a local option, but that gives them a 1 less reason to justify the subscription.

VitoBotta said:
Do you mean like adding new passwords and making changes to both the Passwords app and Bitwarden? Sounds like a bit of a hassle.
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It is. I already forget to update on both sides.

johnkree said:
I'm not completely sure why there is the need for a notes app within a password manager. I mean, I understand the need for password protected notes, but I prefer to have my notes in my notes app that already can password protect notes.
I mean, every notes app does notes better than a password manager. I have the feeling that password protected notes in password managers became one of the features developers implement to shill the next version of their software.

Nowadays we tend to have super apps that try to do everything but can't do anything perfect. I guess I'm more basic and I try to have a perfect app for every need I have.
All those guys complaining about Apple being too basic and lacking features in its apps? How often do we need every tool on a Swiss army knife? Most of the time I just use the bigger blade.
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Its not a notes app. Its a place to secure a piece of text. I use it to keep important information like IP addresses, pin codes, some terminal commands, reminders, etc.

johnkree said:
Why would someone pay 50$ for the next version or 50$ subscription when the software stays the same all the time.
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To make it work with the OS updates😬 I had to pay for software just because the older version is not compatible with the new OS update or browser update.

Honestly its fair, original vendor sold me an app to work on current OS not future OS. I still expect 5 years of free updates though even if there is a new OS out.
 
Since I purchased a lifetime license of EnPass a couple of years ago and I also use Nextcloud, which is supported by EnPass for syncing the vaults, I am trying it again to see if I like it better than Bitwarden. EnPass seems more similar to 1Password and I like the availability of more categories to better organize my stuff.

However the browser extension for Safari doesn't seem to be working and nothing happens when I click on it. Does anyone have it working? I am wondering if it's a problem with the version of Safari in Sequoia beta?
 
johnkree said:
I'm not completely sure why there is the need for a notes app within a password manager.
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Some things I keep in notes:

picture of microphone serial number and code from registration card

email from software vendor with serial number and download link

screenshot of web purchase page

etc.
 
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VitoBotta said:
Since I purchased a lifetime license of EnPass a couple of years ago and I also use Nextcloud, which is supported by EnPass for syncing the vaults, I am trying it again to see if I like it better than Bitwarden. EnPass seems more similar to 1Password and I like the availability of more categories to better organize my stuff.

However the browser extension for Safari doesn't seem to be working and nothing happens when I click on it. Does anyone have it working? I am wondering if it's a problem with the version of Safari in Sequoia beta?
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enpass is most similar to 1password but support and developers are slow. I think they are an extremely small team. Bitwarden is way superior in auto-fill. The best I have tested so far.
 
bsmr said:
Some people say, that Bitwarden is the worst with Autofill - others say it is the best...
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none sense. I have yet had to see a problem. I am speaking desktop not iOS.

VitoBotta said:
I also have always found the autofill in Bitwarden to be its weakest trait and I very often had to create or update entries manually in the app because of this.
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Where and how? So far I found Bitwarden the only password manager that you can name the fields to correlate with the exact "id" field in the page.

I can fill any type of form because of this.
 
MacBH928 said:
none sense. I have yet had to see a problem. I am speaking desktop not iOS.



Where and how? So far I found Bitwarden the only password manager that you can name the fields to correlate with the exact "id" field in the page.

I can fill any type of form because of this.
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Just because we have had a different experience with it it doesn't mean that this is nonsense...

I love Bitwarden but it has failed quite often to detect login forms to either autofill or save credentials and often I've had to create/update them manually.
 
VitoBotta said:
Just because we have had a different experience with it it doesn't mean that this is nonsense...

I love Bitwarden but it has failed quite often to detect login forms to either autofill or save credentials and often I've had to create/update them manually.
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yeah but once you set it up it works flawless. for example in one field it had ID "credit_card_no". Bitwarden might not have detected it but I can set it up manually then it always works. You can do it from the contextual menu.

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I never heard other password managers have this option but maybe in the recent updates as I have not used 1password in a long time.
 
1Password users: Do you use the browser extension? If so, what browser are you using?
Also, given that the extension has a lot of privileges, do you have any security concerns?
 
MacBH928 said:
So as you know 1Password is forcing you to the subscription model which is something I refuse to pay for a simple piece of software that is basically a glorified password protected spreadsheet file browser. I am fed up of subscription model and greedy companies that abuses it. I have already paid license which I believe was $60 twice for an upgrade making the total $120.

Please share your experiences with trustworthy password managers. I have already tried Bitwarden, its an option but the GUI is ugly that could use real work and the browser plugin is just too much imo. I also didn't had an issue where if you have multiple accounts it will only auto fill the top one meanwhile 1password gives you the option to choose which one to use. Another thing is I want to store my password locally and not in the cloud, not sure why everyone is forcing a cloud account.

I could be wrong but LastPass seems untrust worthy, I heard a lot of shady issues with them.


---TL;DR---

After much research, these are the better options out there.
AgileBits is officially evil for me with dark pattern business behaviour.

The following are suggestions but not recommendations

--Multiplatform--

EnPass: near 1:1 replica of 1password, has license but I am scared they abandon it and turn evil in the future. But they just reintroduced it. ($40 on StackSocial over the regular $80)

Codebook: Autofills only in the Safari browser (LINK)

StickyPassword: looks promising but never tried it and don't know much about it.

SafeInCloud : Developed by 1 guy but seems popular

--FOSS--

ّ-Bitwarden : best FOSS imo but uses their cloud storage. You can use your own storage but complicated to setup.
( Bitwarden Mini Review )

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All apps based on KeePass use same database file format (KDBX) and can sync with each other. Extensions, desktop, and smartphone apps:

-KeePass: Windows only (KDBX)

-KeePassXC Uglist and most unintuitive password manager I saw but works, desktop only (KDBX)

-Keeweb.info desktop only (KDBX)

-MacPass: mac desktop only (KDBX)

-Keepassium: Apple only (KDBX)

-KeePassDX : Android only (KDBX)


--If you don't mind subscription but don't want to deal with 1PW/Agilebits any more---

ProtonPass :- Free

Roboform:- $23/year (has local storage option, no Cloud sync needed)

Dashlane:- $60/year

PasswordBoss: $30/year

EnPass:- has subscription option for $24/year

Keeper:- $35/year

--If you are on Apple only devices---

-Strongbox (KDBX)
-Minimalist
-Secrets

all made by smaller teams nearly only 1 developer
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There is an open-source QtPass
Works even on macOS PowerPC (somewhat older version, but MacPorts will handle it).

Perhaps a better one would be https://github.com/FalkAlexander/PasswordSafe but it needs to be added.
 
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