1Password migrants thread

[svenmany]

Sadly, people will find anything complain about.

I'm never sure what someone means when they say that.

- There is a person who will find something to complain about in every situation.

- Given a sufficiently large group of people and a particular situation, you can always find a person who will find something to complain about.

I think some people feel anger towards an imagined person satisfying the first condition. But, in reality, the thing triggering the anger is most often the second. And usually, for any situation, there is some person negatively impacted by it. It's OK that they speak up and present their issue.

Certainly, the Electron aspect is a non-issue for me. I run a number of highly regarded Electron apps. But, I do understand that the memory load is reputed to be high for Electron apps. I suppose having a number of them running on an 8 GB computer could be a disadvantage. But, knowing there's a problem is not as simple as looking at usually misunderstood numbers in Activity Monitor.

Some have complained about security vulnerabilities that have been reported in Electron. However, a lot of people insist that open source is safer because it can be reviewed. Electron is one of the big open source projects that is definitely heavily reviewed. Known security vulnerabilities get patched with plenty of visibility. A closed source, native app might be better or worse with respect to security; it really depends on the sophistication of the developers.

I find 1Password's Electron app to be particularly well done and have no complaints about their choice. And remember, it's only the user interface that uses Electron. The core guts of their app that is responsible for safeguarding the data does not use Electron.

 

[bradl]

To me the two crimes committed by the 1Password people are: subscription model and making the WIMP interface an Electron app on the Mac. The latter is truly shameful.

You missed the third crime: Forcing all users to store their vaults on their servers, leaving the user without any physical control of their vaults, or wherever they want to store their vaults. Only 1Password 7 now has that support, which anyone using 1Password 6 or lower has no viable upgrade path to it, as they took down their license provisioning servers. Additionally when trying to get to 1Password 7, it leaves your vault in a read-only state, with no way to reopen it as read/write if trying to revert back to what works.

BL.

 

[MacBH928]

For Bitwarden that's still true of the Mac desktop app, but it's not accurate for the iOS app. They recently replaced the iOS version with a native one.

they even updated the chrome extension but not the macos app.

Still being used, and yet people complain about it used on 1Password, that was my only point. I honestly couldn’t care less what’s used, as long as it worlds and it’s secured. Sadly, people will find anything complain about.

All electron apps feel heavy on my machine but they say 1PW incorporate only part of it and does not affect the user experience.

I suppose having a number of them running on an 8 GB computer could be a disadvantage.

thats my machine and if you need 16GB RAM minimum to run password manager, am not sure what to say. Electron apps run fine but feel heavy specially on launch. But if Electron means multi-platform apps, i will take that over native. I rather have the app that a "Windows only" version.

 

[Corefile]

You missed the third crime: Forcing all users to store their vaults on their servers, leaving the user without any physical control of their vaults, or wherever they want to store their vaults. Only 1Password 7 now has that support, which anyone using 1Password 6 or lower has no viable upgrade path to it, as they took down their license provisioning servers. Additionally when trying to get to 1Password 7, it leaves your vault in a read-only state, with no way to reopen it as read/write if trying to revert back to what works.

BL.

I was curious if my 1Password serial from 2008 would work but I wasn't able to download 1Password v2.x. Looks like I won't ever buy it again.

Curious. I also bought a license in 2010 for the version from around then too but couldn't find it to download.

 

[svenmany]

thats my machine and if you need 16GB RAM minimum to run password manager, am not sure what to say.

That’s certainly not the case. That would be an extremely bizarre world.

 

[bradl]

I was curious if my 1Password serial from 2008 would work but I wasn't able to download 1Password v2.x. Looks like I won't ever buy it again.

Curious. I also bought a license in 2010 for the version from around then too but couldn't find it to download.

In my case, I had bought 1Password 6 from the App Store, and had the license for that. When it came time to upgrade to 1Password 7, I would either have to re-buy it from the App Store, while if you bought 1Password 6 from AgileBit's site, the upgrade was free (IIRC). There was no upgrade path to 1Passwrd 7 or higher from 1Password 6 via the App Store, so when 1Password 8 came out, they announced 3 things:

1. no more local vaults. All vaults would have to be stored on their servers.
2. Subscription only. no more standalone versions.
3. If you upgrade, no downgrade path to previous versions. Your standalone vault would be locked in read only mode.

Top that with Apple's move to Silicon, that put any version of 1Password 6 and lower on borrowed time for no longer having any support at the OS level, because Apple would be dropping Rosetta 2 support with future MacOS releases, as well as when Apple truly drops Intel support. That ticked off a lot of users because AgileBits had stated that nothing would essentially change with their application or their support after their influx of capital. That's what sparked this thread and the uptick of equivalent applications to 1Password.

BL.

 

[sppunk]

Well StrongBox sold out to a horrific company - Applause. Time to decide where to move to now. Excel doc > 1Password > Stringbox > ??? Ugh.

Strongbox Joins Applause - Strongbox

Dear Strongbox Community, Today, we are thrilled to announce a significant milestone in the journey of Strongbox, the password management application trusted by tens of thousands of users across iOS and macOS. After years of working on Strongbox independently, Mark McGuill has made the decision...

strongboxsafe.com

 

[Janichsan]

Well StrongBox sold out to a horrific company - Applause. Time to decide where to move to now. Excel doc > 1Password > Stringbox > ??? Ugh.

Strongbox Joins Applause - Strongbox

Dear Strongbox Community, Today, we are thrilled to announce a significant milestone in the journey of Strongbox, the password management application trusted by tens of thousands of users across iOS and macOS. After years of working on Strongbox independently, Mark McGuill has made the decision...

strongboxsafe.com

Give Enpass a try. I'm very content with it.

 

[guymauve]

The proton suite or apple password ?

 

[MindMike]

Well StrongBox sold out to a horrific company - Applause. Time to decide where to move to now. Excel doc > 1Password > Stringbox > ??? Ugh.

Strongbox Joins Applause - Strongbox

Dear Strongbox Community, Today, we are thrilled to announce a significant milestone in the journey of Strongbox, the password management application trusted by tens of thousands of users across iOS and macOS. After years of working on Strongbox independently, Mark McGuill has made the decision...

strongboxsafe.com

Keepassium?

 

[MacBH928]

Well StrongBox sold out to a horrific company - Applause. Time to decide where to move to now. Excel doc > 1Password > Stringbox > ??? Ugh.

Strongbox Joins Applause - Strongbox

Dear Strongbox Community, Today, we are thrilled to announce a significant milestone in the journey of Strongbox, the password management application trusted by tens of thousands of users across iOS and macOS. After years of working on Strongbox independently, Mark McGuill has made the decision...

strongboxsafe.com

This is why I do not like to use small time apps. Of course if I was the developer I would sell too for the $$$ but I feel like its betrayal to the users who trusted me. That being said, why is Applause bad?

Give Enpass a try. I'm very content with it.

I got Enpass and as much as I tried to cheer for them to take over 1password the development team is so lazy and there are hardly any advancement or updates. Its not that it does not work, they just do not seem to care about it and are probably just keeping it alive for whatever subscription money they make.

The enthusiasm behind Bitwarden, 1password, Proton Pass seems way better. Unfortuantely , enpass is one of the very rare password manager that uses local backup+license based and is backed by a business.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Well StrongBox sold out to a horrific company - Applause. Time to decide where to move to now. Excel doc > 1Password > Stringbox > ??? Ugh.

Strongbox Joins Applause - Strongbox

Dear Strongbox Community, Today, we are thrilled to announce a significant milestone in the journey of Strongbox, the password management application trusted by tens of thousands of users across iOS and macOS. After years of working on Strongbox independently, Mark McGuill has made the decision...

strongboxsafe.com

I hate to see this. I have really liked Strongbox over the years. I also have a lifetime license with Minimalist.

 

[sppunk]

The proton suite or apple password ?

I don’t trust Apple to not screw up syncing. They can’t resolve tab syncing!

 

[sppunk]

Keepassium?

This seems like the logical solution since I can use the existing database. Thank you for this.

 

[svenmany]

That being said, why is Applause bad?

I'd like to know that too.

 

[Mr. Heckles]

I'd like to know that too.

On Reddit it’s explained. I guess they bought another app and made people who bought lift time licenses, they Applause removed features and made them pay again.

 

[svenmany]

On Reddit it’s explained. I guess they bought another app and made people who bought lift time licenses, they Applause removed features and made them pay again.

OK thanks.

So I see they tried to take one app they acquired, Voice Dream, to a subscription model. After some backlash they reversed the decision. They reversed the decision one week after they had announced it and three weeks before the subscription model was to become effective.

I haven't found anything about them removing features from Voice Dream. When Voice Dream announced their reversal of the subscription decision, they also announced that all existing features would continue to work but new features would only be available to subscribers. Did they change that and remove features?

https://www.voicedream.com/subscription-pricing-update/

The other criticism is an assertion that Applause adds analytics to their apps. That's what I remember being told when they acquired Bartender. Anonymous analytics don't bother me and can serve a useful function, but maybe they weren't anonymous.

Anything else? So far, nothing is bothering me about them.

 

[MacBH928]

On Reddit it’s explained. I guess they bought another app and made people who bought lift time licenses, they Applause removed features and made them pay again.

OK thanks.

So I see they tried to take one app they acquired, Voice Dream, to a subscription model. After some backlash they reversed the decision. They reversed the decision one week after they had announced it and three weeks before the subscription model was to become effective.

I haven't found anything about them removing features from Voice Dream. When Voice Dream announced their reversal of the subscription decision, they also announced that all existing features would continue to work but new features would only be available to subscribers. Did they change that and remove features?

https://www.voicedream.com/subscription-pricing-update/

isn't this what 1password did? make a license app to subscription?

The other criticism is an assertion that Applause adds analytics to their apps. That's what I remember being told when they acquired Bartender. Anonymous analytics don't bother me and can serve a useful function, but maybe they weren't anonymous.

Anything else? So far, nothing is bothering me about them.

I like to give anonymous non-intrusive analytics to FOSS apps, but you never know what goes behind the scenes with closed software apps

 

[Mr. Heckles]

isn't this what 1password did? make a license app to subscription?

The other company supposedly removed features that people actually paid for, and then charged them again for people get them again.

I’m going off what I am reading, I don’t know from personal experience.

1Password made a whole new app, and made it subscription…. They didn’t used a current app, remove features, and charge you again to get them (if I am reading the resort post right).

 

[svenmany]

isn't this what 1password did? make a license app to subscription?

No. Voice Dream backed off the decision and didn't change to the subscription model. They listened to their customers.

The other company supposedly removed features that people actually paid for, and then charged them again for people get them again.

I’m going off what I am reading, I don’t know from personal experience.

Are you reading that in the redit link you provided? I can't find any evidence of that. Maybe I didn't look far enough back in the thread.

I'm genuinely interested in this topic because I have a license to Bartender that I've stopped using because of that company's acquisition by Applause. Now I'm wondering if it's all just innuendo.

 

[MacHeritage]

Regarding Strongbox: Judging from everything I have read about Applause and also how many apps they now have that are/were the best in their field, they must have learned something. I can't see Applause destroying apps and staying in business very long.

Plus, the founder is using the app, taking a backseat and advising if necessary, so it isn't like he just sold it and disappeared from any connection to it. That gives me way more confidence in this acquisition compared to others we have witnessed in the past.

 

[bsmr]

Plus, the founder is using the app, taking a backseat and advising if necessary, so it isn't like he just sold it and disappeared from any connection to it. That gives me way more confidence in this acquisition compared to others we have witnessed in the past.

I think he has to say it this way, as he got a 'lot' of money for sure.

And from my standpoint it is really crazy that someone developed an app that long and from one day to the next he is gone and 'maybe' will help if problems occur.

 

[Jordan Klein]

One thing 1Password did was remove the ability to download the browser plugin for 7.x. If you have it, you are probably ok. If not, too bad. It's copy & paste for you.

 

[gregmac19]

Regarding Strongbox: It is always disheartening when an application founder sells out. However, I think password applications that are exclusively for Apple operating systems, will have a tough time staying in business with the advent of Apple’s Passwords app. Thus, I think that the developer was wise to get out when he could.

 

[lostPod]

Well StrongBox sold out to a horrific company - Applause. Time to decide where to move to now. Excel doc > 1Password > Stringbox > ??? Ugh.

Strongbox Joins Applause - Strongbox

Dear Strongbox Community, Today, we are thrilled to announce a significant milestone in the journey of Strongbox, the password management application trusted by tens of thousands of users across iOS and macOS. After years of working on Strongbox independently, Mark McGuill has made the decision...

strongboxsafe.com

I switched over to Enpass because I had almost every device with a lifetime license for 1Password EXCEPT my Windows machine. I couldn't stand it. So i switched to Enpass, it's pretty much a clone.