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[MacBH928]

ByteHaven: "The Quiet Renovation at Bitwarden" https://blog.ppb1701.com/the-quiet-renovation-at-bitwarden

"Watching your password manager get swallowed by a company you switched away from would kick them off properly."

This is something I did not put into consideration. Selling to different owners might change Bitwarden's direction. Heck if I was the average joe and build something like Bitwarden and a corporate comes by willing to pay me $2B , i'd sell. like @svenmany said in post #3388 , in this case, yes i will do what the people we are complaining about are doing.

I can't blame the founder, as he sold the company as is. Whatever the new owner does is not his problem. This happened to me before with TunnelBear where it was a very simple, humorous, easy, with free tier VPN service. Then they got bought out by McAfee. Needless to say many jumped ship. Thanks to mullvad and protonVPN.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

"Watching your password manager get swallowed by a company you switched away from would kick them off properly."

This is something I did not put into consideration. Selling to different owners might change Bitwarden's direction. Heck if I was the average joe and build something like Bitwarden and a corporate comes by willing to pay me $2B , i'd sell. like @svenmany said in post #3388 , in this case, yes i will do what the people we are complaining about are doing.

I can't blame the founder, as he sold the company as is. Whatever the new owner does is not his problem. This happened to me before with TunnelBear where it was a very simple, humorous, easy, with free tier VPN service. Then they got bought out by McAfee. Needless to say many jumped ship. Thanks to mullvad and protonVPN.

That. Is really not good. At all.

 

[seek3r]

I do not mind paying for foss. as a matter of fact i think every should pay something for it. The problem is that since is open source, you cant force people to pay for it. Its literally out there for you to compile, reproduce, and redistribute without control. So, it goes back to consumer behavior , and unfortunately, most people think "free software"is done by magic elfs. They do not consider dropping just 1 buck for it. Meanwhile the developer was enough to give it free to those who can't afford/unable to do an online payment but those who can should to fund the project and reward the developer.

in an ironic situation, I indeed wanted to donate to open source projects but they were not accepting donations! Ublock Origin and Handbrake comes to mind.

I think you maybe missed the philosophical underpinnings of Open Source Software. The whole point is to be free, open to collaboration, and publicly auditable. There is no moral conundrum to using OSS free, that’s explicitly why it exists. That’s why the GPL and its derivatives exist. It’s socialized software. It’s “information wants to be free”. It’s rooted in the academic origins of computing and software, think about how scientific data is shared. Think about the philosophical underpinnings of things like open access journals.

Now, I agree with you that if you find a project useful you should contribute back in some way, either in code or docs or toss a few bucks towards the devs (or purchase the product if you can, I pay for Crossover for example, I love the work they do with WINE. Same with many other things) if you can, but not only is there no obligation to but there is an explicit social contract that the code being open is to allow and encourage free use. It’s for the benefit of all, a societal good.

I think in particular a lot of folks who either arent academics or werent marinated in hacking culture and the early internet at least somewhat at some point between the ‘70s and at the latest early aughts miss a lot of that.

FOSS is more than a goodwill gesture, it represents an underlying philosophy in software as a field.

 

[svenmany]

That’s *literally* how opensource works, yes… the whole point is it’s open and free…

you can go download the code and run it, right now.

Looks like they’re using the AGPL for most of their code, which is literally a copyleft license that requires release of derivative code used in products/SaaS services as well. And while their license for some commercial modules is more restrictive it’s not most of what’s there

BW’s repos are on gh, here: https://github.com/bitwarden

I guess I wasn't referring to legal entitlement. I was thinking more along the lines of ethical entitlement. Pretty vague, I know.

A code base that is open source does not have to provide the tools necessary to create a runnable product. The only requirement is that the source code be freely available with no restrictions on its use. Oftentimes, a lot of technical competence is required to make use of the code to create the final product.

There is a growing awareness that people who benefit from open source should contribute in some way. Here's something long those lines at the enterprise level that's quite recent:

Open Infrastructure is Not Free: A Joint Statement on Sustainable Stewardship – Open Source Security Foundation

openssf.org

with the great line:

Billion-dollar ecosystems cannot stand on foundations built of goodwill and unpaid weekends.

I'm not suggesting that you don't contribute. I know that I, for the most part, don't. Though I'm legally entitled to the free use of the software, I don't feel ethically entitled to it. I don't resent companies who charge for their software, whether they provide it open source or not.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

So what do people think of Proton Pass Plus? At $36 a year for 10 users and 50 vaults, it's a good deal. Does anyone use it in this thread?

Proton Pass: Free password manager with identity protection | Proton

Store, share and sync passwords, passkeys, email aliases, and more, on any device, with our open-source, free password manager. No trials, just free forever.

proton.me

 

[MacBH928]

That. Is really not good. At all.

its how the tech industry works. all the popular software vendors ,Including not limited to, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Take2...

I think you maybe missed the philosophical underpinnings of Open Source Software. The whole point is to be free, open to collaboration, and publicly auditable. There is no moral conundrum to using OSS free, that’s explicitly why it exists. That’s why the GPL and its derivatives exist. It’s socialized software. It’s “information wants to be free”. It’s rooted in the academic origins of computing and software, think about how scientific data is shared. Think about the philosophical underpinnings of things like open access journals.

Now, I agree with you that if you find a project useful you should contribute back in some way, either in code or docs or toss a few bucks towards the devs (or purchase the product if you can, I pay for Crossover for example, I love the work they do with WINE. Same with many other things) if you can, but not only is there no obligation to but there is an explicit social contract that the code being open is to allow and encourage free use. It’s for the benefit of all, a societal good.

I think in particular a lot of folks who either arent academics or werent marinated in hacking culture and the early internet at least somewhat at some point between the ‘70s and at the latest early aughts miss a lot of that.

FOSS is more than a goodwill gesture, it represents an underlying philosophy in software as a field.

You are speaking of pure FOSS. I am speaking about creating software for profit. Some nice guys found a middle ground for foss to be funded and profitable providing it as a service like Proton, Bitwarden, Odoo, NextCloud

 

[MacBH928]

So what do people think of Proton Pass Plus? At $36 a year for 10 users and 50 vaults, it's a good deal. Does anyone use it in this thread?

Proton Pass: Free password manager with identity protection | Proton

Store, share and sync passwords, passkeys, email aliases, and more, on any device, with our open-source, free password manager. No trials, just free forever.

proton.me

I tested when it first launched and was limited with no custom fields. As with all other proton products, it starts small then hyper develop. I highly appreciate Proton is creating a Google Suite alternative, but i rather not keep all my eggs in one basket. At least the password part.

other people might have different opinion.

 

[bradl]

Right post, wrong thread.. sorry about that, all!

 

[MisterSavage]

After seeing them perform at Caesar's Palace a few months ago, I have been back on a Def Leppard kick.

I wish I could have gone to that.

 

[bradl]

I wish I could have gone to that.

well crap.. right post, wrong thread!

Let me move that over to the other thread! My bad, all!

BL.

 

[MacBH928]

So what do people think of Proton Pass Plus? At $36 a year for 10 users and 50 vaults, it's a good deal. Does anyone use it in this thread?

Proton Pass: Free password manager with identity protection | Proton

Store, share and sync passwords, passkeys, email aliases, and more, on any device, with our open-source, free password manager. No trials, just free forever.

proton.me

I tested. It has like everything now and I believe unlimited anonymous e-mails (if you are protonmail subscriber i think). Drop in replacement for others like Bitwarden and 1PW. In fact I like the way they do things more than Bitwarden since Bitwarden seem t be created with enterprise first mindset and ProtonPass is more of a consumer app.

 

[SalisburySam]

My 1Password 7 subscription expired and I’m now fully using Passwords for our iPhones, iPads, and Mac mini. Seems to work very, very well among these devices. After her recent retirement, Mrs. Sam no longer needs her Microsoft Surface Book so cross-platform passwording is no longer a household requirement.

I do miss the secure notes and other-than-password features of 1Password, but have created a protected ninox database with these items so no net loss.