1Password migrants thread

[cubbie5150]

I'm also a former 1Password user. I've been using BitWarden for about 9 months, I think, no real complaints. I am, however, not a user with complex needs. I actually am fine with how Bitwarden extensions integrate with box Firefox and Safari, too.

 

[macintoshmac]

I'm also a former 1Password user. I've been using BitWarden for about 9 months, I think, no real complaints. I am, however, not a user with complex needs. I actually am fine with how Bitwarden extensions integrate with box Firefox and Safari, too.

What made you move to Bitwarden?

 

[MisterSavage]

I'm also a former 1Password user. I've been using BitWarden for about 9 months, I think, no real complaints. I am, however, not a user with complex needs. I actually am fine with how Bitwarden extensions integrate with box Firefox and Safari, too.

Same for me although I have been getting some use out of their newer features, such as send. FYI, they released a roadmap of what's coming.

 

[bsmr]

So nothing special within Bitwarden roadmap...

 

[hajime]

I don't remember how I got 1Password on my devices. Either paid for a perceptual license or if it was available for free, got it for free on my computers and iOS devices. If I recall correctly, few years ago they changed to subscription model but announced that those who already had 1Password could continue to use it. 2-3 years ago they also allowed downloading and installation of 'old' version of 1Password for their 'old' devices. I have 1Password installed on my iPad Pro 2017 but I gave the iPad to a family member. I got a new one last week but when I when to the app store in an attempt to get the same non-subscription 1Password, the latest version was installed instead. I asked 1Password where I could download the 'old' version which does not require subscription. They told me that for security reason, I should always use the latest version.

Is it really true that if I continue to use the old 1Password version, I will raise the security risk?
Is there any way to install the old 1Password version which I have on my iPad Pro 2017 and iPhone?

 

[LV426]

I don't remember how I got 1Password on my devices. Either paid for a perceptual license or if it was available for free, got it for free on my computers and iOS devices. If I recall correctly, few years ago they changed to subscription model but announced that those who already had 1Password could continue to use it. 2-3 years ago they also allowed downloading and installation of 'old' version of 1Password for their 'old' devices. I have 1Password installed on my iPad Pro 2017 but I gave the iPad to a family member. I got a new one last week but when I when to the app store in an attempt to get the same non-subscription 1Password, the latest version was installed instead. I asked 1Password where I could download the 'old' version which does not require subscription. They told me that for security reason, I should always use the latest version.

Is it really true that if I continue to use the old 1Password version, I will raise the security risk?
Is there any way to install the old 1Password version which I have on my iPad Pro 2017 and iPhone?

Do you have access to an iCloud backup for your old iPad Pro? If so, you could try erasing your new iPad and restoring it from the iCloud backup. That would resurrect your 1Password on the new iPad. I don't believe they are under any obligation to host old iOS installers on the App Store.

BTW, I purchased 1Password several years ago before the days of subscription, and it still gets updated regularly, now at version 7.9.3. I have upgraded my phones and iPads several times, each time from an iCloud backup, and 1Password has come along for the ride. So I'm not sure I buy the security argument.

I also have 1Password 7 for the Mac (perpetual license) which also gets updated from time to time. Thankfully, this is a Universal build, so it works on Apple Silicon or Intel. Last week, I got an Apple Silicon MacBook Pro, and the installer ran ok. The version 7 installer is still available on the downloads area https://1password.com/downloads/mac/ but I made sure I had a copy of the installer and license file on my machine, just in case. When starting up for the 1st time on my new MacBook, it asked if I had an iCloud vault (which I did), and it announced that I am licensed, so I didn't need to use the license file again.

 

[maflynn]

Its not about being stingy, its about AgieBits being greedy.

I disagree that its being greedy, it takes a lot of work to produce software and prior to subscriptions taking hold, the income swings of perpetual licenses were such that it would impact a company's ability to consistently improve a product.

They needed to always introduce the next greatest thing, because that's what generating cashflow, not small minor updates, bug fixes and improvements. Also if a publisher messed up on a major release and failed to generate the amount of income that they projected, they could be in danger of going under. The gaming industry is a great example of this, where a number of successful developers went under because of cash flow. For example, Interplay Entertainment went out of business because of cash flow.

Subscriptions offers a more consistent and dependable cash flow, allowing the publisher not only to keep rolling out major updates, but also small minor bug fixes and improvements.

Enterprise software has always been subscription based, and that's due to the high cost and high overhead of managing such important applications.

Agilebits and its developers and employees have every right to make a profit and benefit from their hard work.

 

[MisterSavage]

So nothing special within Bitwarden roadmap...

What special thing were you hoping for?

 

[Luvion]

I disagree that its being greedy, it takes a lot of work to produce software and prior to subscriptions taking hold, the income swings of perpetual licenses were such that it would impact a company's ability to consistently improve a product.

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Agilebits and its developers and employees have every right to make a profit and benefit from their hard work.

Yes they do deserve to make a profit, but I don't see removing core features (local storage, native app) that have been there for years as improvements. I just checked, I bought my first 1password license in 2009 and upgraded several times. But with where they are heading I simply will no longer be in their target market. Luckily there are a lot more good options now then back in 2009 so it was an easy switch.

 

[MacBH928]

Same for me although I have been getting some use out of their newer features, such as send. FYI, they released a roadmap of what's coming.

I might buy $10 bitwarden even if I do not use it, to keep it alive and keep options alive from greedy corporates like AgileBits. just look at the difference where Bitwarden is FOSS and free to use personally, but 1password is not sustainable even at $100 license fee.

Do you have access to an iCloud backup for your old iPad Pro? If so, you could try erasing your new iPad and restoring it from the iCloud backup. That would resurrect your 1Password on the new iPad. I don't believe they are under any obligation to host old iOS installers on the App Store.

BTW, I purchased 1Password several years ago before the days of subscription, and it still gets updated regularly, now at version 7.9.3. I have upgraded my phones and iPads several times, each time from an iCloud backup, and 1Password has come along for the ride. So I'm not sure I buy the security argument.

I also have 1Password 7 for the Mac (perpetual license) which also gets updated from time to time. Thankfully, this is a Universal build, so it works on Apple Silicon or Intel. Last week, I got an Apple Silicon MacBook Pro, and the installer ran ok. The version 7 installer is still available on the downloads area https://1password.com/downloads/mac/ but I made sure I had a copy of the installer and license file on my machine, just in case. When starting up for the 1st time on my new MacBook, it asked if I had an iCloud vault (which I did), and it announced that I am licensed, so I didn't need to use the license file again.

I am still getting updates which is a head scratcher for me, looks like a huge user base still not upgrading to the newer subscription based app hence they keep pushing updates for the older app.

 

[MacBH928]

I disagree that its being greedy, it takes a lot of work to produce software and prior to subscriptions taking hold, the income swings of perpetual licenses were such that it would impact a company's ability to consistently improve a product.

They needed to always introduce the next greatest thing, because that's what generating cashflow, not small minor updates, bug fixes and improvements. Also if a publisher messed up on a major release and failed to generate the amount of income that they projected, they could be in danger of going under. The gaming industry is a great example of this, where a number of successful developers went under because of cash flow. For example, Interplay Entertainment went out of business because of cash flow.

Subscriptions offers a more consistent and dependable cash flow, allowing the publisher not only to keep rolling out major updates, but also small minor bug fixes and improvements.

Enterprise software has always been subscription based, and that's due to the high cost and high overhead of managing such important applications.

Agilebits and its developers and employees have every right to make a profit and benefit from their hard work.

I do not disagree that having a subscription model is nicer for the developer. For me too, if I owned an apartment its better for me to make someone rent it a forever contract. In fact its even better for me to increase the rent price 10% annually, in fact its even better for me to divide the apartment into 3 sections and rent each part of it for what I used to rent the whole apartment. That way I can support my tenants better by continues maintenance of the real estate like light bulbs, running water, and wall paint.

Its a password manager, what next greatest can they introduce? You put text in, it saves the text. Thats it for the most part. Plus, no one is argueing for selling the new version with new features again for an upgrade price.

Bombich Software proves how much of a false argument the software rental business is necessary. They have been around for like 20 years, their software is Mac ONLY, it sells for only $40, I will guess that backing up a whole OS is much more complicated than a password manager, their updates are non stop, yet here they are and much thriving. And they are not the only ones.

1Password just stores text and auto fills blank fields, it sells on all platforms, it sells for $80, but somehow its not sustainable, its not sustainable so much so they killed the license model altogether even though there are people who choose the rent model... yeah right. Agilebits have all the right to do whatever they want, and so do I , but spreading false information to make their actions excusable I choose not to drink their Kool Aid and warn others about it.

 

[svenmany]

Its a password manager, what next greatest can they introduce? You put text in, it saves the text. Thats it for the most part.

You make good points, but the above comment is off the mark. They've moved very far out of the market you're describing. Their offering is far more sophisticated. I make heavy use of their sophistication. Probably most password managers offer much more than what you describe.

If that's all you need from a password manager, you might well be served with a password protected text file. You'd save yourself a lot of anguish.

 

[MacBH928]

Any more so than most companies? They want to grow so they are changing their business model and product offering. Of course that's greed, but isn't that one big part of capitalism? They've changed their target audience; as long as they serve that audience honestly, then I'm not sure I see any more fault than what I see in capitalism, generally.

Greed is good to a point. When it turns into oppression , like health care prices in USA, its no longer good.

But, I also need the peace of mind gained from frequent updates; I would never use an old version of their software without security holes being fixed. And, I couldn't use it if I didn't receive upgrades that allow it to run on newer operating systems. So, no matter what their model is, I would still consider it a subscription in the sense that there would be continuing costs. The only difference I see is that the cost now is orders of magnitude more than the cost before.

Peace of mind with security patches was sustainable for like at least 10 years with license model when they had much smaller user base, somehow now its no longer sustainable. yeah right.

They want to grow, like most companies. Nothing they have done is sudden; they've been pushing subscriptions to a hosted solution for a long time now.



Yeah, it's a problem for me too.

In any case, this is just like a divorce. 1Password just doesn't love you anymore and has moved on. It's grown and has hooked up with someone that's more attractive. It does suck being left behind. You're back on the dating scene, looking for a password manager on Tinder.

1Password can grow and hookup with whoever they want, hopefully like Yahoo wanted to grow and hookup and bought GeoCities and Tumblr. Look what happened there. There is right ways to grow and wrong ways to grow. Like Apple that offered new devices like ipod and iphone, and new services like iCloud and iTunes.

I too have to right to speak and hookup with who ever I want and hence I started this thread to help other migrate to a better service.

Charging more for the same product "just because" hopefully will be the start of the demise and I am hoping that other smaller companies in the future will develop their apps to render 1password current value to null, including FOSS (FREE and open source) apps like Bitwarden and KeePass.

 

[MacBH928]

You make good points, but the above comment is off the mark. They've moved very far out of the market you're describing. Their offering is far more sophisticated. I make heavy use of their sophistication. Probably most password managers offer much more than what you describe.

If that's all you need from a password manager, you might well be served with a password protected text file. You'd save yourself a lot of anguish.

yeah? What sophistication do they have over auto filling? TOTP? I believe codebook offers that for $20 license. Plugin? Bitwarden gives that for free.

 

[MisterSavage]

I might buy $10 bitwarden even if I do not use it, to keep it alive and keep options alive from greedy corporates like AgileBits. just look at the difference where Bitwarden is FOSS and free to use personally, but 1password is not sustainable even at $100 license fee.

For me it was a win/win. I get to support Bitwarden financially, love the product, and still pay way less than I would with 1Password.

 

[maflynn]

I do not disagree that having a subscription model is nicer for the developer.

Nicer for the developer is not greed which is what you're accusing the publisher.

Its a password manager, what next greatest can they introduce?

The same argument can be made for text editors (ultraedit is on a subscription based model), photo management (Adobe Lightroom is on sub), word processors (ms word has a sub)

Bombich Software proves how much of a false argument the software rental business is necessary.

You better double check who you use as an example - Bombich does in fact have a subscription service for their maintenance program - Regardless, Its not either, or, right or wrong. Just because one publisher chooses a perpetual license means anyone who chooses a subscription is greedy.

1Password just stores text and auto fills blank fields, i

I think you're doing a disservice by saying all it does is store texts. They have infrastructure, security, developers, more overhead then just storing some text somewhere.

 

[svenmany]

Greed is good to a point. When it turns into oppression , like health care prices in USA, its no longer good.



Peace of mind with security patches was sustainable for like at least 10 years with license model when they had much smaller user base, somehow now its no longer sustainable. yeah right.




1Password can grow and hookup with whoever they want, hopefully like Yahoo wanted to grow and hookup and bought GeoCities and Tumblr. Look what happened there. There is right ways to grow and wrong ways to grow. Like Apple that offered new devices like ipod and iphone, and new services like iCloud and iTunes.

I too have to right to speak and hookup with who ever I want and hence I started this thread to help other migrate to a better service.

Charging more for the same product "just because" hopefully will be the start of the demise and I am hoping that other smaller companies in the future will develop their apps to render 1password current value to null, including FOSS (FREE and open source) apps like Bitwarden and KeePass.

There are two parts to this thread. There is the part where people offer options and describe their advantages. Really great stuff. (Thanks for the thread since I've learned a lot.)

Then there's the complaining part. Everyone has the right to participate in that, but some of the assertions are very subjective; they say more about the asserter than the assertee. I guess some might even argue that password management should be a regulated industry (maybe you).

1Password's website says they currently have 500 employees. I don't know what it takes to support that. They're offering new things and charging (a lot) more. I do plan on reviewing other options recommended and I'll move on if I find something that suits me more.

US health care prices do feel like oppression. I feel no oppression from 1Password since I can just find an alternative. If you're suggesting that 1Password is oppressing people, then you might be too emotionally invested in that company. You also wish them harm; that's another sign. Unfortunately, couple's therapy is not on the table.

 

[maflynn]

Charging more for the same product "just because" hopefully will be the start of the demise and I am hoping that other smaller companies in the future will develop their apps to render 1password current value to null, including FOSS (FREE and open source) apps like Bitwarden and KeePass.

That seems overly bitter, they're providing a service but you want to see them fail? That just seems way over the top, they're just a software company. Don't like what they offer or their terms - move on, but to wish them to go out of business seems, well, kind of sad.

Also the comment of charging more for the same product, really doesn't hold water, do you make the same complaints about Tesla charging more for the same product as other car makers, or Macs because its the same product as other computers?

 

[svenmany]

yeah? What sophistication do they have over auto filling? TOTP? I believe codebook offers that for $20 license. Plugin? Bitwarden gives that for free.

I just had an aha moment. You probably don't know the offering since you have never subscribed to it. Perhaps you should give their family plan a 14 day trial. It will be tough, kind of like watching the news station of the opposing political party. Grit your teeth and bear it.

You wrote:

Its a password manager, what next greatest can they introduce? You put text in, it saves the text. Thats it for the most part.

I'm curious if you'll still think that after trying it out. You might not find sufficient value in the offering to overcome what you see as its drawbacks (data on server, subscription, Electron), but I'm pretty sure you won't still describe it as just "put text in , it saves the text".

 

[bradl]

I just had an aha moment. You probably don't know the offering since you have never subscribed to it. Perhaps you should give their family plan a 14 day trial. It will be tough, kind of like watching the news station of the opposing political party. Grit your teeth and bear it.

You don't need a subscription to it to get any additional features that 1Password already has. For example:

• Storing images for vital records, PII info, PCI info (passports, drivers licenses, medical cards, bank cards, etc.)
• Rewards programs (read airline programs, hotel programs, frequent players club cards at hotel/casinos, etc.)
• Router/switch info (WiFi info, switch info, passwords for those, etc.)
• Software License keys, subscriptions, etc., and
• Secure notes

are all covered in 1Password 6, and possibly even back to 1Password 5. All of those are on a perpetual license, that I still run with 1Password 6. That's going on having that for at least 5 years.

Perhaps instead of telling others to get with the program with subscriptions, you may want to look at the history of your preferred application and see what they were already offering before telling others to get onto your bandwagon.

BL.

 

[svenmany]

You don't need a subscription to it to get any additional features that 1Password already has. For example:

• Storing images for vital records, PII info, PCI info (passports, drivers licenses, medical cards, bank cards, etc.)
• Rewards programs (read airline programs, hotel programs, frequent players club cards at hotel/casinos, etc.)
• Router/switch info (WiFi info, switch info, passwords for those, etc.)
• Software License keys, subscriptions, etc., and
• Secure notes

are all covered in 1Password 6, and possibly even back to 1Password 5. All of those are on a perpetual license, that I still run with 1Password 6. That's going on having that for at least 5 years.

Perhaps instead of telling others to get with the program with subscriptions, you may want to look at the history of your preferred application and see what they were already offering before telling others to get onto your bandwagon.

BL.

You're misrepresenting me and also seem to be unaware of the family plan offering.

In no way am I advocating that anyone stick with 1Password (where did I say that?). Nor am I advocating that anyone be happy to subscribe to a service for password management (where did I say that?). 1Password is not my preferred application (where did I say that it was?).

I myself am unhappy with the 1Password developments. I want local vaults. I would like a perpetual license to the software and only pay a subscription fee if I use their online services. I prefer native applications rather than Electron.

Unfortunately, I don't share the rage that many have. There are good things and bad things about 1Password and things seem to have shifted towards the bad for me.

Unfortunately you see this as two opposing forces battling it out. For some reason you've placed me in the opposing camp and are intentionally misrepresenting me to enforce that view.

 

[maflynn]

I don't share the rage that many have

That's where I'm at - I'm not a fan of the choices the 1Password team has made, but yet, I still find value in using 1Password and since I've already paid for the year, I don't have make a decision to leave quite yet.

Also I'm not a fan of subscriptions, I understand the benefit for publishers but I usually try to avoid them myself, though I do have some right now, including 1PAssword

 

[hmorneau]

I was still using 1Password version 6, I was planing on buying a license of version 8 in the future, but nah, I won't pay a sub for password. So I decided to migrate to Bitwarden selfhosted (Vaultwarden). So far so good. The UX is not as nice, but it does the job.

 

[Jason2000]

yeah? What sophistication do they have over auto filling? TOTP? I believe codebook offers that for $20 license. Plugin? Bitwarden gives that for free.

Great. Then use something else and quit your whining.

 

[LV426]

1Password's website says they currently have 500 employees. I don't know what it takes to support that.

That’s an insane number of employees, for what their (relatively simple) flagship product actually does. I can only imagine that they get a ton of support calls from customers, and have a huge team to deal with that. Then they’ll have a sales team, an HR team, a payroll team, a legal team… that’s where your subscription money is going.