1Password migrants thread

[Huntn]

As mentioned you're reading too much into things.

I can say that I don't like that 1Password is choosing to use electron but yet still like 1Password. It doesn't have to be black and white as you seem to imply. Not offering a perpetual license - well that's greed. Not liking a decision they made to embrace electron - well then the company is trash and they must be destroyed!

Here's the thing - I'm getting value for the subscription, pure and simple. I've reviewed and researched other password managers and 1Password is superior to them all imo. I've been (re)testing Bitwarden and its been more frustrating then I was expecting. I'm still going to put bitwarden though its paces but so far it hasn't been a great experience.

tl;dr I can still use a product even if I disagree with some of their choices.

I admit that 1PW is probably the most polished password manager out there, but becoming subscription only, and doing away with stand alone vaults was a deal breaker for me. And even though Codebook is not as polished, it does the job well enough that I am not longing for 1PW and I’m not feeling like I’m being ripped off every time I use it.

I think if people have a hesitance to use Codebook because it primarily relies on Keychain integration, so for other browsers that don’t support keychain, I find that the Secret Agent feature, a quick search of your database based on a couple of search characters you type in, is not an onerous imposition on my work flow.

 

[maflynn]

I admit that 1PW is probably the most polished password manager

It is, and as I continue to compare bitwarden and 1password, I see the difference between open source and commercial software. I'm not knocking open source but by and large it tends to lack the same level of polish and UX then commercial software. Is it a show stopper for me? Not on one level, but on another I need to enjoy using the software but as long as it works and largely stays in the background I suppose its not a huge issue.

One of the oddities I found with 1Password on iOS was its Faceid integration. It seems 1/2 the time, it wouldn't let me unlock with faceid and I had to type in my master password - a bit of a pain on iOs given how the keyboard is setup and how I have a complex master password. I'll have to see how well/easy bitwarden can do on the iPhone.

I will say that I have a love/hate relationship with 1Password's secret key, its a really good idea but it does impact how quickly you can set up new devices. You have to have that secret key saved somewhere that's retrievable. Like a post-it note on my monitor

but becoming subscription only, and doing away with stand alone vaults was a deal breaker for me

It seems its the world we live in, I don't like subs either but it seems to be something that many publishers embrace

I need support for multiplatform, so keychain solutions are not feasible, and in all honesty, I've moved on from local vaults. I used 1password back before they went to subscriptions and used only local vaults but that was a pain when dealing with different devices on different platforms, i.e., windows, macOS, iOS.

I'm in no rush, as my 1PAssword subscription won't expire until March, but I am putting bitwarden through its paces.

 

[MisterSavage]

One of the oddities I found with 1Password on iOS was its Faceid integration. It seems 1/2 the time, it wouldn't let me unlock with faceid and I had to type in my master password - a bit of a pain on iOs given how the keyboard is setup and how I have a complex master password. I'll have to see how well/easy bitwarden can do on the iPhone.

The master password was a very large pain point for me with 1Password. I have a VERY long master password and not being able to see it as I'm typing it on my Mac meant that I almost always would make a mistake and have to type it more than once. Being able to choose to see the password as I'm typing it was something I was already used to with KeePass and PasswordSafe. Glad I don't have to deal with that any more.

 

[Huntn]

It is, and as I continue to compare bitwarden and 1password, I see the difference between open source and commercial software. I'm not knocking open source but by and large it tends to lack the same level of polish and UX then commercial software. Is it a show stopper for me? Not on one level, but on another I need to enjoy using the software but as long as it works and largely stays in the background I suppose its not a huge issue.

One of the oddities I found with 1Password on iOS was its Faceid integration. It seems 1/2 the time, it wouldn't let me unlock with faceid and I had to type in my master password - a bit of a pain on iOs given how the keyboard is setup and how I have a complex master password. I'll have to see how well/easy bitwarden can do on the iPhone.

I will say that I have a love/hate relationship with 1Password's secret key, its a really good idea but it does impact how quickly you can set up new devices. You have to have that secret key saved somewhere that's retrievable. Like a post-it note on my monitor


It seems its the world we live in, I don't like subs either but it seems to be something that many publishers embrace

I need support for multiplatform, so keychain solutions are not feasible, and in all honesty, I've moved on from local vaults. I used 1password back before they went to subscriptions and used only local vaults but that was a pain when dealing with different devices on different platforms, i.e., windows, macOS, iOS.

I'm in no rush, as my 1PAssword subscription won't expire until March, but I am putting bitwarden through its paces.

I think the PC version of Codebook relies on Secret Agent, and I’m ok with that. Most of the password related tasks I do on MacOS with Safari. I used to be a fan of Firefox until I noticed it would run my MBP out of memory. This drove me back to Safari.

I have accepted subscriptions for some products, but a password manager is over my line.

The master password was a very large pain point for me with 1Password. I have a VERY long master password and not being able to see it as I'm typing it on my Mac meant that I almost always would make a mistake and have to type it more than once. Being able to choose to see the password as I'm typing it was something I was already used to with KeePass and PasswordSafe. Glad I don't have to deal with that any more.

That irritates the hell out of me, not being able to see what I am typing, when typing in long passwords.

 

[svenmany]

I'm not knocking open source but by and large it tends to lack the same level of polish and UX then commercial software.

I've thought that for a long time and wondered why. It's almost as if the types of developers who are drawn to it are more interested in the software internals. Component to component interaction is far easier than component to user interaction, especially so since the software components don't complain as much as users.

One of the oddities I found with 1Password on iOS was its Faceid integration. It seems 1/2 the time, it wouldn't let me unlock with faceid and I had to type in my master password

I've never had an issue except with face masks. Though my phone will unlock with the assistance of my watch, 1Password will not (a current iPhone restriction).

 

[maflynn]

It's almost as if the types of developers who are drawn to it are more interested i

No question and also consider commercial companies - they have the budget/resources to design, develop, and test UI and UX, where as open source, its just developers producing code. There are some beautiful open source apps, but by and large open source tends to lag behind in UI/UX. I recall seeing a LTT video, regarding linux and how its UI and UX are less polished (by and large), and its clear that MS, Apple and Google pour a lot of R&D into making their products look a certain way - Open source by its design, simply doesn't have the money for that.

 

[MacBH928]

Not really, its business model that is not compatible with my priorities. Mostly, due to local vaults and needing to sync them across computers/devices.

its business model is not compatible with your priorities? what does that even mean?

EnPass sells a license now and has local vaults and Wifi sync

 

[MacBH928]

The master password was a very large pain point for me with 1Password. I have a VERY long master password and not being able to see it as I'm typing it on my Mac meant that I almost always would make a mistake and have to type it more than once. Being able to choose to see the password as I'm typing it was something I was already used to with KeePass and PasswordSafe. Glad I don't have to deal with that any more.

you don't need such a long password, according to https://random-ize.com a 16 character password will take 493865 years to crack.

4 random words is a nice way to create a new password.

 

[MisterSavage]

4 random words is a nice way to create a new password.

Yep, but "Regulator2-Trapper-Constrain-Radiator" is still usually way too much for me to type without making a mistake if I can't see what I'm typing.

 

[maflynn]

its business model is not compatible with your priorities? what does that even mean?

I'd rather not deal with syncing the vaults, but rather have a cloud based solution - simple as that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Huntn]

you don't need such a long password, according to https://random-ize.com a 16 character password will take 493865 years to crack.

4 random words is a nice way to create a new password.

I’m sold on random word passwords, sometimes referred to as verbose, mostly because they are easier to remember to type in. Codebook which I am currently using has a password generator, with a verbose mode, but I have to add in a special character or number which is not a big deal. However, it is another case where 1PW is more, polished offering that option built in.

 

[MacBH928]

I'd rather not deal with syncing the vaults, but rather have a cloud based solution - simple as that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You can store in the cloud with EnPass unless you mean you want to store in their servers without paying subscription for that service like Bitwarden.

 

[maflynn]

You can store in the cloud with EnPass

No thanks, I'll not be considering EnPass

 

[MacBH928]

No thanks, I'll not be considering EnPass

fine but why you refuse to state your reason?

 

[toasted ICT]

fine but why you refuse to state your reason?

Unsurprisingly I see that this thread has devolved. Lots of 1Password "influencers" here now pretending to be regular folk.... comments that are illogical and inconsistent...except if one assigns the motive of upsetting the threads intent and pushing the 1P narrartive...I saw identical behaviour on the 1P forum directed at customers unhappy with the companies direction and their dismissive condescending attitude. Shame you cannot close the thread or even delete it. Its done what was intended for genuine folk who were looking for help.

 

[max2]

I tried to like Bitwarden but just could not because of some features not there yet.

Really liking Enpass though so far. Reminds me a little over the old 1Password like version 6.

Just wish Enpass has better favorite icons for websites too.

 

[Huntn]

I tried to like Bitwarden but just could not because of some features not there yet.

Really liking Enpass though so far. Reminds me a little over the old 1Password like version 6.

Just wish Enpass has better favorite icons for websites too.

Another case of 1PW being more polished. Codebook has a bunch of generic icons, but you have to apply them.

 

[MisterSavage]

The Bitwarden UI is ugly as hell and almost made me discount it immediately. I came to realize that I don't care at all about polish. 90% of the time when I use it I'm hitting the keyboard shortcut to autofill my passwords and I don't even see the UI. When I need to create a new entry I use the browser extension and it gets the job done. I'm happy paying less for less polish but at the same time not sacrificing security or community support.

 

[max2]

The Bitwarden UI is ugly as hell and almost made me discount it immediately. I came to realize that I don't care at all about polish. 90% of the time when I use it I'm hitting the keyboard shortcut to autofill my passwords and I don't even see the UI. When I need to create a new entry I use the browser extension and it gets the job done. I'm happy paying less for less polish but at the same time not sacrificing security or community support.

For me it is the features mainly.

 

[MisterSavage]

For me it is the features mainly.

I'm lucky in that the feature set already meets my needs. I do wish there was a way to mark password entries as expired/invalid like I used to do with KeePass.

 

[cytomatrix]

If you're suggesting that 1Password is oppressing people, then you might be too emotionally invested in that company. You also wish them harm; that's another sign. Unfortunately, couple's therapy is not on the table.

Regular therapy would work too. I have never seen a sane person rage over an app that "just stores text and fills it in the field" this much.

 

[MacBH928]

Regular therapy would work too. I have never seen a sane person rage over an app that "just stores text and fills it in the field" this much.

really?

1-Linus Trovalds created a whole operating system because he didn't like the closed source Unix and didn't want to pay.

2-Netflix was created because the founder was charged $40 in late fees by Blockbuster

3-LibreOffice created because they don't want to use Microsoft Office because its closed source

4-GNU was created because Stallman refused to use closed source software

5-Brave created because Chrome is too intruisive

6-ProtonMail created because people don't want free email from Google and Yahoo because its spies on them

7-teddit and libreddit created because they don't like Reddit policies and advertisement

8-Mastodon created because they don't like the centralized control of Twitter.

Shall I continue? Looks like we need a lot of shrinks already.

 

[MacBH928]

Unsurprisingly I see that this thread has devolved. Lots of 1Password "influencers" here now pretending to be regular folk.... comments that are illogical and inconsistent...except if one assigns the motive of upsetting the threads intent and pushing the 1P narrartive...I saw identical behaviour on the 1P forum directed at customers unhappy with the companies direction and their dismissive condescending attitude. Shame you cannot close the thread or even delete it. Its done what was intended for genuine folk who were looking for help.

Not really, you never know when a new option is released. I mean we didn't discover about Codebook until like 30 pages in and no some members chose it as their default password manager.

Some responders stated they are fine with subscription and the way 1password is going and thats ok and no one here forced them to change their mind.

Other contributers feel like they are paid advertisers for 1password or have personal interest in Agilebits or work for them. They will attack if you if you don't like 1password or Agilebits.

 

[2021]

Other contributers feel like they are paid advertisers for 1password or have personal interest in Agilebits or work for them. They will attack if you if you don't like 1password or Agilebits.

This thread has been rather hostile towards AgileBits from the beginning, people continuing to use 1p may feel uncomfortable since the implication is that they support poor business practices (which is up to debate), and feel the need to respond. If you want it to be friendlier just focus less on greed and betrayal and more on personal choices. AgileBits took a good option away but it’s just an unfortunate business decision.
Fwiw I didn’t like the move to election but decided to continue using it. Cloud hosting and a sub is what I originally signed up for.

 

[maflynn]

So I've been testing Bitwarden and comparing/contrasting against 1Password.

Bitwarden pros:
I'm actually quite pleased with its functionality. In some respects, it works better for me, I really like the use of a pin instead of typing in my long master password. I feel that Bitwarden's mobile app works better. I don't know why, but too many times I've tried to open 1password on my phone and Instead of using FaceID, I'm required to type in my password - this gets annoying real quick. Also I slotted this as a positive, though its not something that I think about, and it being open source - peer review basically hardens the application as many eyes are reviewing the source.

1Password pros:
What I like about 1Password is the UI, its a much more polished application, and it has more features. For instance, you have more options to categorize your data. I have a significant amount of software licenses store in 1Password. Bitwarden marked them as secure notes, not something that I'm all that jazzed up over. Additionally, I can use multiple vaults - that doesn't seem something that I can do with Bitwarden. 1Password's Watchtower feature (password reports, regarding weak, reused, or stolen) is very useful - I like it a lot. I can't say how that stacks up against Bitwarden's password reports, as I would need to purchase the sub - I'm not ready to make that commitment yet (though its really cheap)

Edit: I forgot to mention, I have a love/hate relationship with the secret key. The positives are that a hacker would need to know both your master password and secret key. The downsides is that you need to have that key handy to setup new devices.

What I don't like:
In looking at this, I'm really unimpressed with 1Password's responses to the community, it has left a bad taste in my mouth. From not only downplaying people's concerns but talking down to them and even gaslighting, where they really tried to sweep the whole electron stuff under the rug and hide it. They handled this very poorly, and I think moving forward,I want to be with a company that is transparent and up front.

Stuff I don't care about:
With that said, I'm not really worked up about Electron itself (just how 1Password handled it) I know people are, and I see some of their points. I suspect many of use electron apps now and don't realize it.

I really don't care about standalone vaults. When I purchased the subscription it was with the intention of using the cloud. I've used standalone vaults in the past and have run into situations of devices getting out of sync.

Bottom line:
Is 1Password worth the 36 dollars annually? Let me rephrase my question. Is 1Password worth spending 26 dollars more then I would be spending for bitwarden annually?